DirtyManos
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Eeeeeeeesh.
Major networks also discussing the article too now on TV.
Major networks also discussing the article too now on TV.
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Politico: Inside the bitter last days of Bernie's revolution
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GringoSuave89
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Article is doing some damage but I would of expected fallout by tomorrow morning, not this early. Damn.
I like the idea of Bernie Sanders, he just cannot clinch it. If even a fraction of this article is true, he wasn't ready for the office.
I like the idea of Bernie Sanders, he just cannot clinch it. If even a fraction of this article is true, he wasn't ready for the office.
While I certainly don't think the media was hard on Bernie, I wouldn't go as far as saying he has had every conceivable advantage, either. After-all, most media coverage was on the republican circus and the dem primary was normally a footnote until something big happened.
Then again, Bernie was treated quite well in his appearances in talk shows.
ElBoxyBrown
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I'm just so upset right now. I wasn't planning on feeling this way but I am. Out of nowhere.
Randolph Freelander
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There are a lot of hard feeling at the end of long campaigns. If you listen to the "Keeping it 1600" podcast on BSPN, you can get some of this firsthand. The hosts of that podcast are people that worked for Obama during the 2008 campaign and then in the White House, they're current supporters of Hillary for President, and at the end of the 2008 primary, they hated her. They convinced themselves they had to. And they were the winners.
One of them related a story in a recent podcast where Hillary preferred a certain horse in the Kentucky Derby and drew an analogy to her own campaign with it. In a Derby pool inside the Obama campaign, one of the other staffers actually selected that horse and one of the hosts admitted to being irrationally furious at this staffer, calling him a traitor and being serious while doing it.
This was all going on inside the Obama campaign, a side that was winning. Imagine the feelings on the other side, and project that forward to 2016.
One of them related a story in a recent podcast where Hillary preferred a certain horse in the Kentucky Derby and drew an analogy to her own campaign with it. In a Derby pool inside the Obama campaign, one of the other staffers actually selected that horse and one of the hosts admitted to being irrationally furious at this staffer, calling him a traitor and being serious while doing it.
This was all going on inside the Obama campaign, a side that was winning. Imagine the feelings on the other side, and project that forward to 2016.
Why though? He did it to himself.
Which ones?
Keeping it 1600 had recent episodes on how you wind down a losing campaign. Sounded pretty awful especially when the candidate has poured their soul into it like I assume Bernie has. Crappy situation to be in.
^^Didn't even see that post. Yeah what they said.
I don't think his position was attacked enough.
Look, I think the banks are too big and I like the idea for medicare for all.
That said, Sanders lived in some fantasy world where those actions had no repercussions, like gutting the health sector would have no ill effects on the economy at all, they just go quietly into the night, all their money, and everyone's money invested in them, is neatly moved to others aspects of the economy with no losses and everyone would live happily ever after. The Vox calculator might have not been fair in showing the proposed savings under Sanders' plan, sure, but it totally left out the financial crises that'd be created by nearly eliminating an entirely profitable sector of the economy nearly overnight.
As much as I like a single payer system going Hillary's route would be less painful in the short term, and if in the future we so desired, making a move to single payer less painful.
excelsiorlef
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I don't, he's been throwing people under buses since January.
WhateverItTakes
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You know this is delusional right?
Think about it. If the all-powerful 'establishment' that's supposedly the main reason Hillary's still in front figured she was gonna get thrown in jail, would they have put all their resources behind her?
It's incredibly petty that some people are helplessly hoping their guy wins on a technicality. Even if they say they want the result to be Biden stepping in rather than Sanders being given a push (IE just a removal of Clinton), then how does that fit in to the whole 'Will of the people' thing Sanders supporters were so behind?
Your guy lost because of his own inability. Not because of some boogeyman.
Yes, he did. Just remembering there are many humans involved that devoted so much time, money and effort despite all the stupidity and fuck-ups involved.
metalslimer
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Yeah, I guess at some point you step back and realize these people have devoted every moment of their lives to this for a year now and see how it being a failure would make people angry. Part of it though has to fall on Sanders that he pushed this campaign far past the point when it was viable
Oh wow, I need to check those out. Links?
Absolutely understandable why you feel that way. I felt a lot of anger too. I was a bit more forgiving until March-ish.
SolicitorPirate
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Given Sander's willingness to damage the credibility of the one major party that doesn't actively screw over minorities or his half hearted attempts to speak to minorities, I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
He definitely did not have every advantage possible. Before his surge, the media basically treated him the same way they did the two also rans; an amusing footnote. That said, when he did begin his surge, he definitely was treated well. I would argue he was definitely better treated than the Republican candidates who had brief surges, like Carson. Though that was partly Carson's own doing.
shadowsdarknes
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If he doesn't come to the podium by 1:30 EST I'm going to bed.
He does have some good ideas and some good principles.
He also has some shallow ideas for some complex topics.
He also helped feed this anti-establishment fervor that's poisoning political discourse.
Let's avoid the condescension. He is a good guy with a long public record of fighting for the small guy. His political career has been admirable. But that doesn't mean we have to make him President.
He does have some good ideas and some good principles.
He also has some shallow ideas for some complex topics.
He also helped feed this anti-establishment fervor that's poisoning political discourse.
Let's avoid the condescension. He is a good guy with a long public record of fighting for the small guy. His political career has been admirable. But that doesn't mean we have to make him President.
Chie Satonaka
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Wow at all this.
I'm not even sure how to respond. This is crazy.
I'm not even sure how to respond. This is crazy.
Monocle
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I fully intend to enjoy a president who's not a bigoted bullying hothead or a prideful single-issue ideologue who's ill equipped to get anything done in the current political climate. We don't need a president who cares about us right now. We need a socially progressive pragmatist with foreign policy experience who won't allow conservatives to undo Obama's achievements.
"Do they care about me?" is pretty far down my list of concerns for a politician. "Will they effectively promote and defend my values?" is much more important.
Ninja Of Chaos
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Speaking for myself: Because no matter how bitter he became or is, he's still one of us - he wants a better life for people that have been shoved down or oppressed.
You implied that Sander's doesn't care about the well-being of anybody but white people. That's hyperbole. I'll agree that he didn't do enough outreach to minority groups from a political perspective, but no more than that.
And to be clear, I don't like Bernie. I'm really glad that he's not getting through the primary. I'dve voted for him only to stop Trump and little more if he had.
I'm not arguing that what coverage he did get wasn't mostly positive, I'm arguing that Trump got most of the coverage, period, bottomline leaving little for Bernie.
Amibguous Cad
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Because a Hillary win peoves that democrats can grow their doves and civil libertarians under the bus with impunity when faced with an actually difficult decision?
Doing all the hard work for me! Thanks. Really loving that podcast. Love just two bros talking about politics really casually and reminiscing about the good times in the Obama admin.
distantmantra
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MSNBC has been talking about it.
Aaronrules380
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CNN just talked about it as well. Probably because they're trying to find anyway to buy time until Sanders finally shows up for his speech
I'd simply say he's out of touch and leave it at that. He hardly alienated minorities in more than one or two statements throughout his campaign, he merely didn't court them. His focus on the poor wasn't monoracial, he just had a simplistic view of politics. Let's not pretend that if he won the primary he wouldn't have gotten the support of every minority group that preferred Hillary in the general.
Again, I dislike Sanders, I don't defend him lightly.
Frozenprince
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Barney Frank, one of the most respectable politicians in the country, has been saying this since the 90's.
There are posters here who lived in DC during the time and corroborated it.
Dude's always been like this why can't people accept that?
There are posters here who lived in DC during the time and corroborated it.
Dude's always been like this why can't people accept that?
Randolph Freelander
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By the way, I checked, the story I mentioned was in the May 19 podcast (featuring SE Cupp, but she was not on during this particular story). Starting about the 8:40 mark.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/ep.-10-cnn-correspondent-s.e./id1111751047?i=1000369010716&mt=2
Out of touch is being kind. Motherfucker pulled out the dog whistle with a quickness when he lost the southern states. I can't wait until he fades into obscurity.
ElBoxyBrown
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Is this the ultimate result of people who talk about revolutions?
MHWilliams
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Sanders is supposed to lay off half his campaign staff, so that might be what fed into this. Depends on if someone saw the writing on the wall.
See: The French Revolution and Maximilien Robespierre
See: The French Revolution and Maximilien Robespierre
Lil'DigiOp
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He burned every single last bridge. I have to hope to high praise that he truly felt it was worth it.
I'm really at a loss for words that they thought they were holding back on Hillary when she's been fending of these attacks from Republicans for decades. She was completely unbothered by him since a few months back. What's more perplexing is they thought she went in hard on them and that forced to them retaliate against her?
Frozenprince
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Bernie is this cycles Ron Paul.
Nothing he did will change anything notable. He's a footnote in history.
It's not what he wanted, but that's reality.
Nothing he did will change anything notable. He's a footnote in history.
It's not what he wanted, but that's reality.
foxuzamaki
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MSNBC says he is at the event now, he may finally speak
Palette Swap
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Bye Felicia. It's a good thing you won't be more than a footnote.
makingmusic476
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Oof. I was a Bernie guy until pretty recently.
Wish he had spent less time pissing people off and more time reinforcing his grassroots support, so it could be better leveraged when pushing for progressive legislation that President Hillary could sign into law in 2017.
Wish he had spent less time pissing people off and more time reinforcing his grassroots support, so it could be better leveraged when pushing for progressive legislation that President Hillary could sign into law in 2017.
shadowsdarknes
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I'd have to imagine he's much more successful than Ron Paul.
Someone younger and more charismatic will pick up where Bernie left off one day.
SolicitorPirate
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Then I suspect we won't ever reach a concenssus here. Sanders sold a fantasy that wealth inequality was the source of all ills and only barely changed his message to accomodate race after a BLM rally and demographic realities forced his hand in doing so.
And even then, he's been more than happy to cultivate that white world view in his young supporters and convinced them this was the only real problem to solve, as doing so would automatically fix everything else.
This was a man who was more than happy to disregard black southerners because they didn't vote for him. He then allowed that feeling to foster in amongst his supporters. Yes, the cliche of "those uppity blacks!" is cruel and doesn't describe all Sanders supporters, but there are reasons why it's persisted for so long.
I am not American. But it is not a uniquely American experience for white people to tell minorities they know what's best for us, and then turn aggressive when we disagree. That is a long and sordid history, and we've become pretty good at smelling out rats.
Oh no, I wasn't trying to argue with you on this. Just wanted to add my own observations to your initial post
bender
What time is it?
Plenty of time for redemption. It all just depends on what he does once the reality of the loss sinks in.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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The thing is, even though he was always going to lose, with the same numbers and a much, much better attitude he could have made a difference. He was never my choice, but I never had a problem with him until he started going downhill with the planned parenthood fuckery. His responses and approach to everything is what torpedoed any chance of him being meaningful, not his losses. That said, since he's always been like this, this was always how it was going to play out, so it's a moot point.
Realistically he could salvage his image and his message to an extent, but I'm not particularly sure he wants to.
ugaboga232
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To be fair humans all over love to tell other humans they know whats best for them so if you expected different I would love some of your optimism.
nocturnalis
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Remembering those articles on how he treated hours staff terribly, it's hard not to consider this sucks as factual.
Frozenprince
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What he's doing right now is example A) of him.
He's just making his fucking stump speech, again, for the 10000th time. He's lost, he LOST and he's still making the fucking stump speech.
He has no grasp that he failed and lost.
He's just making his fucking stump speech, again, for the 10000th time. He's lost, he LOST and he's still making the fucking stump speech.
He has no grasp that he failed and lost.
MWS Natural
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If he really was salty he could just run as independent and Clinton would have no chance of winning the election
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