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[LUFTRAUSER]

Bernie is that type that can't succeed because they never admit when they've failed.

 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Apparentlu everybody did not understand the context of my post. I was saying all the medias attention on trump was nevative, not sanders.

But going back to the original subject, CNN and MSNBC both showed ther clear love for Clinton from day zero. You really are blind is you cant see that bias and dont understand how much that helped her.

Amost is a relative term. Its subjective. Yes, i think losing the primary by 3 million votes counts as almost winning when you understand the hill he had to climb to get anywhere near that.

But yeah im just bitter as a piece of asperagus, my thoughts are meanigless in the face of such denial.

 

[johnsmith]

salty af

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Bernie is that type of person that can't succeed because they never admit when they have failed.

or that their opponents exist and have views as well.

 

[Frozenprince]

Apparentlu everybody did not understand the context of my post. I was saying all the medias attention on trump was nevative, not sanders.

But going back to the original subject, CNN and MSNBC both showed ther clear love for Clinton from day zero. You really are blind is you cant see that bias and dont understand how much that helped her.

Amost is a relative term. Its subjective. Yes, i think losing the primary by 3 million votes counts as almost winning when you understand the hill he had to climb to get anywhere near that.

But yeah im just bitter as a piece of asperagus, my thoughts are meanigless in the face of such denial.

Bernie has been treated with kid gloves this whole election. If Hillary's camp went in on him, you'd know.

You're just being salty. It's okay to be honest and not snarky about it.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Welp. not dropping out.

 

[The Kree]

I'll take Politicians Who Are Bad At Politics for 400, Alex.

 

[giga]

Apparentlu everybody did not understand the context of my post. I was saying all the medias attention on trump was nevative, not sanders.

But going back to the original subject, CNN and MSNBC both showed ther clear love for Clinton from day zero. You really are blind is you cant see that bias and dont understand how much that helped her.

Amost is a relative term. Its subjective. Yes, i think losing the primary by 3 million votes counts as almost winning when you understand the hill he had to climb to get anywhere near that.

But yeah im just bitter as a piece of asperagus, my thoughts are meanigless in the face of such denial.

 

[Frozenprince]

Example B of how this is totally believable.

Being mathematically eliminated and still running anyway.

 

[aliengmr]

Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

But does Bernie care?

Don't get me wrong, I think he's genuine in his beliefs and basically a good person, but I've also witnessed the last 8 years and 4 presidential elections and none of it had convinced me that A) Bernie had a shot and, B) could even do what he wanted to do in the first place.

I know that even in the best political climate that Universal Health Care wasn't something he was just going to fart out in his first term. Not only do you have to raise taxes (which would have killed him in the GE) there's also the fuckton of people that would lose their jobs.

Big changes like he was proposing simply cannot happen in this country. He fucking knows this too. There is no way I can believe Sanders' is so deluded to believe that any of his lofty goals (which I actually support) had a snowball's chance in hell. At best he fights for 4 years for nothing, at worst he fucks it all up and gives the opposition a decades long supply of ammo when it fails.

So I really do have to ask, does he care? Because its seems like he is all out of fucks to give unless I shelve my cynicism and start cheering "Hope and change" all over again.

 

[pigeon]

He seems like a nice guy with good ideas

Literally the topic of the article is that he isn't, though.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

or that their opponents exist and have views as well.

It happens.

 

[CharminUltra]

I would have voted for Bernie if he had won the nomination in order to stop Drumpf.

BUT since Hillary curb-stomped him I can now go to bed in peace.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Apparentlu everybody did not understand the context of my post. I was saying all the medias attention on trump was nevative, not sanders.

But going back to the original subject, CNN and MSNBC both showed ther clear love for Clinton from day zero. You really are blind is you cant see that bias and dont understand how much that helped her.

Amost is a relative term. Its subjective. Yes, i think losing the primary by 3 million votes counts as almost winning when you understand the hill he had to climb to get anywhere near that.

But yeah im just bitter as a piece of asperagus, my thoughts are meanigless in the face of such denial.

be glad the MSM treated him with kids gloves for so long or else it would be like NYD every day.

 

[kirblar]

And Sanders proves the article correct.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

And Sanders proves the article correct.

This was as close to a concession speech as he could get without actually conceding. The real thing is coming next week, but that doesn't mean he is going to or even should abandon the idea of championing his ideas.

 

[SwolBro]

poor bernie. i do hope he stops attacking clinton, and turns this around to bring his followers together with the democrats.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

I am from the south, unconvinced by Sanders' plans, and non-white.

Bernie Sanders has specifically said he doesn't care about me.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Honestly, as a total outsider, I'm really not sure if Sanders would be a better president than Trump.

Knowing the little I do about American politics, it doesn't seem like he would get anything done in office. His attitude is very "my way or the high way". To the point his adminstration would be hated by everyone, Republican and democrat alike.

At least Trump, racist he is, would make sure he has ALOT of much smarter people under him making key decisions. He seems quite happy just being a firebranding figure head.

 

[TheFatOne]

Honestly, as a total outsider, I'm really not sure if Sanders would be a better president than Trump.

Knowing the little I do about American politics, it doesn't seem like he would get anything done in office. His attitude is very "my way or the high way". To the point his adminstration would be hated by everyone, Republican and democrat alike.

At least Trump, racist he is, would make sure he has ALOT of much smarter people under him making key decisions. He seems quite happy just being a firebranding figure head.

Doubtful even with control of both the Senate and House that Bernie could get anything done, but he would be a million times better than Trump. Clinton would have similar issues, but not on the scale that Sanders would. The real prize this election is nominating a supreme court judge. If the Republicans win the presidency than they will nominate a right leaning judge, and if the Democrats win they will nominate a left leaning judge. Having a left leaning supreme court would do wonders to undo all the bullshit the Republicans have gotten through over the last 40 years or so.

 

[Machina]

"Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you."

wat is this nonsense

That has been every President since Reagan

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

I think if we have to pick between two candidates who don't care would we rather have the honest one that admits it or a dishonest one that at least pretends and acts accordingly?

At the end of the day does it matter why people do what they do as long as they do what's right?

 

[Freshmaker]

He seems like a nice guy with good ideas, it's pretty funny to watch your country just bury him now. Shame, you guys will never learn.

He was always a long shot. He's managed to revise the Democratic platform to a degree. That's about the best he could've hoped for TBH.

 

[3phemeral]

Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

You haven't really provided any evidence to show how it was unfair, so how do you expect a reasonable reply without a reasonable assertion?

 

[atr0cious]

So Bernie can dish it, but he can't take it. Presidential.

 

[TheSaddestSort]

Barney Frank's assessment of Bernie from 1991 rings truer with each passing day.

 

[Suikoguy]

Barney Frank's assessment of Bernie from 1991 rings truer with each passing day.

No doubt, it's why I think this article is at least more true than bullshit.

 

[MThanded]

Spreading now.

This is the reality of waging a bitter campaign the way Bernie did. It doesn't result in some long lived legacy that "Begins here" and shoots off into the stratosphere becoming some fairy tale. It ends with you losing, your staff throwing you under the bus while the other 90% of Liberals post "YAAAS" 10k times per second in chatrooms and message boards everywhere.

He had his chance to exit gracefully and he didn't take it.



Almost certainly. Their fault to begin with though for jumping aboard that ship. They knew he had just registered as a Dem for the benefits. I don't really feel for them at all. They got what they signed up for.

The characterizations of Sanders's state of mind aren't particularly flattering either. Aides portray him as angry, hurt, and actively deluding himself about both the reasons he's losing and the possibility he may still win:

This has trickled down to the base.

 

[Powdered Egg]

I really don't get the Bernie vitriol here. How ugly did it get here during the 2008 primary?

 

[Suikoguy]

I really don't get the Bernie vitriol here. How ugly did it get here during the 2008 primary?

There are two differences between this election and that one.

1.) Hillary was considerably closer in votes, and closer in delegates in 2008.

2.) Hillary never attacked the party she was running for in 2008.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

I really don't get the Bernie vitriol here. How ugly did it get here during the 2008 primary?

Worse. In 2008. something like half of Hillary's supporters in some exit polls claimed they would not back Obama in the general election (this proved to not hold). Far less of Bernie's supporters are claiming the same in reference to Hillary.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/how-...of-bernie-sanders-fans-wont-vote-for-hillary/

 

[Machina]

There are two differences between this election and that one.

1.) Hillary was considerably closer in votes, and closer in delegates in 2008.

2.) Hillary never attacked the party she was running for in 2008.

Really? The DNC haven't given Bernie plenty of reason to hate them? Bernie backed Hillary up live on T.V with her email drama and the DNC threw it back in his face.

 

[EndlessSky]

He was always a long shot. He's managed to revise the Democratic platform to a degree. That's about the best he could've hoped for TBH.

Yeah, he has done what he set out to do. And he's going to continue to try to keep doing that. Whether it's the most effective way to do it, I don't know, but it hasn't been about winning for a while now, like many people seem to think.

 

[Suikoguy]

Really? The DNC haven't given Bernie plenty of reason to hate them? Bernie backed Hillary up live on T.V with her email drama and the DNC threw it back in his face.

*sigh*

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Kite]

I think he has unduly denigrated the institution and a lot of the members,” Frank told The New York Times in 1991. “It does not help leftist causes to make people think government is full of poltroons and charlatans.”

“Bernie alienates his natural allies,” Frank said. “His holier-than-thou attitude—saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.”

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/04/11/history-barney-frank-bernie-sanders-criticize

 

[DietRob]

I really don't get the Bernie vitriol here. How ugly did it get here during the 2008 primary?

For months he's been viciously attacking my political party. A party he only joined a year ago and only joined it because it was advantageous to Bernie.

Thats why there is so much vitriol. Fuck him.

 

[ANDS]

He was always a long shot. He's managed to revise the Democratic platform to a degree. That's about the best he could've hoped for TBH.

He was a long shot not because he didn't have a chance, but because from day one there was only one presumptive nominee. In a fair fight things could have been quite different. When you start primary season HUNDREDS of delegates in the hole, with little early opportunity to get your message to the actual voters and not party insiders it's hard to not end up bitter.

Sanders definitely made a lot of mistakes (he'll regret that email comment for a long time), but you compound it with the Democratic party doing Clinton's dirty work for her (John Lewis essentially claiming on national television that Sanders had no interest in fighting for minority rights is easily one of the most shitty things I've seen in a campaign) and the media consistently framing Clinton's campaign as "inevitable" and Sanders as a "spoiler" - what did people expect.

At the end of the day Sanders took the fight to Clinton and actually gave people hope that they might actually have a voice in the political process. He finishes double digits ahead of Donald Trump in a general election matchup (a matchup I think he's only lost once in polling) while Hillary Clinton has seen the entirety of her lead against Trump evaporate.

Again, if you can sit through all of that and NOT be bitter, my hats off to you.

 

[Suikoguy]

He was a long shot not because he didn't have a chance, but because from day one there was only one presumptive nominee. In a fair fight things could have been quite different. When you start primary season HUNDREDS of delegates in the hole, with little early opportunity to get your message to the actual voters and not party insiders it's hard to not end up bitter.

Sanders definitely made a lot of mistakes (he'll regret that email comment for a long time), but you compound it with the Democratic party doing Clinton's dirty work for her (John Lewis essentially claiming on national television that Sanders had no interest in fighting for minority rights is easily one of the most shitty things I've seen in a campaign) and the media consistently framing Clinton's campaign as "inevitable" and Sanders as a "spoiler" - what did people expect.

At the end of the day Sanders took the fight to Clinton and actually gave people hope that they might actually have a voice in the political process. He finishes double digits ahead of Donald Trump in a general election matchup (a matchup I think he's only lost once in polling) while Hillary Clinton has seen the entirety of her lead against Trump evaporate.

Again, if you can sit through all of that and NOT be bitter, my hats off to you.

How did Obama win?

 

[Supast4r]

I never thought he was kid gloved. The NY TIMES early on endorsed Hillary. Vox was pretty anti-Bernie. I know this board loves Hillary but I never thought Bernie was kid gloved.

It was more like the media never took Bernie seriously until he started winning. The media then started attacking Bernie's positions that I feel the media would normally support like healthcare.

I feel the media though of Bernie as the crazy old kook who Hillary would beat handily early on.

There has only been one time where the media didn't kid glove Bernie and that was the debate done on a Spanish news channel when they showed the clip of Sanders agreeing with Fidel Castros policies. If they kept digging I'm sure they could find more skeletons that would spook people harder than Clintons negative press.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Barney Frank's assessment of Bernie from 1991 rings truer with each passing day.

It's even more horrifying when you consider that Frank is the one Sanders wants kicked out of the DNC.

 

[3phemeral]

How did Obama win?

A better run campaign, a larger, more diverse coalition, and a message that didn't devolve into negativity.

 

[Suikoguy]

A better run campaign, a larger, more diverse coalition, and a message that didn't devolve into negativity.

While I appreciate the answer, it was more for the person whining things were unfair to Sanders.

 

[3phemeral]

While I appreciate the answer, it was more for the person whining things were unfair to Sanders.

I know, I was piggybacking off of your response

 

[Aaronology]

Really? The DNC haven't given Bernie plenty of reason to hate them? Bernie backed Hillary up live on T.V with her email drama and the DNC threw it back in his face.

How so?

Please elaborate.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

There are two differences between this election and that one.

1.) Hillary was considerably closer in votes, and closer in delegates in 2008.

This is irrelevant except from a pedantic standpoint. Mathematically eliminated is mathematically eliminated.

2.) Hillary never attacked the party she was running for in 2008.

You're right, she only personally attacked future President Obama to such a degree that people like Donald Trump spent years trying to prove that he was actually not an American citizen. But that's okay right, because like everything else the Clintons have ever done for decades, she gets a free pass!

 

[TheSaddestSort]

It's even more horrifying when you consider that Frank is the one Sanders wants kicked out of the DNC.

If anything I'd say it proves Frank's point further. If the character sketches are truthful (something that seems ever increasingly likely), in Bernie's world of absolutes you're either with him or against him. In his mind, because Frank has been critical of him and continues to be, Frank must be a corporate shill and a corrupt politician. If this is Bernie's mindset, I wouldn't want someone who is this petty and vindictive sitting in the oval office and leading the executive branch.

 

[ANDS]

While I appreciate the answer, it was more for the person whining things were unfair to Sanders.

Yes. All the things I listed were me "whining." An unsurprising characterization if you think Sanders 2016 is even close to Obama 2008.

If anything I'd say it proves Frank's point further. If the character sketches are truthful (something that seems ever increasingly likely), in Bernie's world of absolutes you're either with him or against him. In his mind, because Frank has been critical of him and continues to be, Frank must be a corporate shill and a corrupt politician. If this is Bernie's mindset, I wouldn't want someone who is this petty and vindictive sitting in the oval office and leading the executive branch.

Sanders may be quick to label anyone a "DC Insider" or "Establishment Candidate" because they don't agree with his policies or criticize him, however some of his criticisms do have teeth.

 

[Fat4all]

You're right, she only personally attacked future President Obama to such a degree that people like Donald Trump spent years trying to prove that he was actually not an American citizen. But that's okay right, because like everything else the Clintons have ever done for decades, she gets a free pass!

Personally?

Link?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Personally?

Link?

Literally a 5 second Google search.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-2008-campaign-095035

 

[3phemeral]

You're right, she only personally attacked future President Obama to such a degree that people like Donald Trump spent years trying to prove that he was actually not an American citizen. But that's okay right, because like everything else the Clintons have ever done for decades, she gets a free pass!

Are you claiming she started birthirism?