CrimsonCommie
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I agree with him.
Pope Goes Full Socialist, Calls for 'Legitimate Redistribution of Wealth'
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j_k_redtail
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Remember: the Vatican thinks in centuries.
Fenderputty
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Technology will force this soon anyway. It's not like the private sector is creating enough jobs to reach full employment currently.
Higgins113
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This guy could say he's an atheist and gaf would still have a problem
figadapaura
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He has some ways to go before he's full on socialist, but he's by far the best pope there's ever been.
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You gotta do Da Vinci code stuff on everything the Pope says. Print out the transcript, carbon date the piece of paper it's printed on, then hold it under a candle while shining a blacklight on every other sentence.
Pope is awesome. How do some people have a problem with what he is saying? :/
It probably would help.
It probably would help.
Works fine for the Mormons.
HolyBaikal
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I always like Christians who feel this way. I'm not a Christian but I really appreciate really open minded and sympathetic Christians. I much appreciate open minded and compassionate Christians than mean atheists.
I myself am a bit of a Socialist or Communist. Though I tend to lean towards Anarchist versions of Socialism and Communism. I don't think that competition drives innovation or productivity or wealth for society. And I don't think that people are basically selfish, though a lot of people are raised to be. There is a lot of cruelty in the world, but we can create and empathetic society where people are no longer unequal. I want a compassionate, innocent, kind, equal world.
A lot of people associate socialism and communism with people like Joseph Stalin. But I personally identify with people like Peter Kropotkin.
I myself am a bit of a Socialist or Communist. Though I tend to lean towards Anarchist versions of Socialism and Communism. I don't think that competition drives innovation or productivity or wealth for society. And I don't think that people are basically selfish, though a lot of people are raised to be. There is a lot of cruelty in the world, but we can create and empathetic society where people are no longer unequal. I want a compassionate, innocent, kind, equal world.
A lot of people associate socialism and communism with people like Joseph Stalin. But I personally identify with people like Peter Kropotkin.
CrimsonCommie
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I agree with this post so much!
I am so glad Francis actually spelled that out in no uncertain terms. For far too long, the Bible thumpers on Fox News and talk radio have claimed that all that help the poor crap that that Jesus guy was yammering on about was supposed to be a mere guideline (a suggestion, even!) and not an actual requirement to get into heaven. Especially not one that's enforced big government.
Guileless
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People are the product of thousands of generations of natural selection on the African savannah.
jackissocool
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I see I am not needed here. Socialism is not redistribution.
that1dude24
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sure they would, it helps affix the meme of human conquest so widely utilized
Guileless
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What conservative Catholics reject the New Deal era safety net and embrace a "fuck you I got mine ideology?"
Masquerader
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Frankie is arguably the most progressive pope in a long time.
Paul Ryan.
It's true that Catholics vote slightly more to the democrats than the general population, but that's driven by Hispanics.
White catholic voted pretty much inline with white people.
So you agree with the Pope then. Don't know what the fuck that first part is talking about.
Tony Abbott, Prime Minister of Australia.
They are confused frequently because both aim for the same result (equality) just different ways of getting there for socialism it's the collectivism of private property for social democracies it's the more equal distribution of wealth.. although the means of the former can overlap with the latter.
Tax is a method of redistributing wealth.
NYCmetsfan
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Nope, they still miss the point
Well, the real hole in his argument is that that's not what the pope said. The pope said the state has a role to play. He's ignoring that and using the popes quoting of scripture to arrive not at the conclusion the pope did but at the conclusion he wants.
rudieboy77
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Yep using a 95% to a 100% top tax rate would act as a salary cap. Too bad there no examples of successful salary caps in the US?
Guileless
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The Ryan budgets are political documents prepared in the context of divided government. Regardless of what politicians say now in day-to-day political combat, demographics (ironically thanks to safe and reliable contraceptive sex) guarantee that the rate of social spending will slow after decades of steady increases. The good vs evil approach some liberals view the issue through is indistinguishable from religion.
I hear the words of the pope like most of you - a few sentences in a wire story that picks out what Western news agencies consider newsworthy in his speeches. I haven't read the whole speech, but based on the rates of regular church attendance and religious belief in Western Europe, I doubt the pope believes the Western European model that liberals favor is one to aspire to in totality. The Catholic third way has a long history among intellectuals and popes - interesting background here, including Tolken.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/pope-francis-needs-distributism/
Why so US centric? The pope isn't from the USA. We aren't exclusively talking about the USA are we?
travisbickle
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But to be fair Francesco, killing babies you cannot afford is a pretty good method to "attack the root causes of poverty and hunger", and probably protects the environment too.
And as for "redistribution of wealth" point to where it says that in the bible and the christian country of America might believe you.
And as for "redistribution of wealth" point to where it says that in the bible and the christian country of America might believe you.
That's interesting. I'd be curious to have your take on what the root cause of poverty and hunger is to think that "killing babies" is the solution to it.
I didn't say the word good or evil.
I do however find it kinda surprising that you think Paul Ryan supports the new deal, his ideological background pretty much reject that approach.
He supported Bush's Social Security privatization proposal, he support medicare voucherizatoin and he want to change medicaid to a block grant system.
For real, you think someone like Paul Ryan support a single payer healthcare system for any reason other than electoral?
travisbickle
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It was tongue in cheek, I didn't mean to offend, and I was specifically talking about people who have abortions because they are not in a stable financial position to support them. Children go hungry when their parents can't afford to feed them.
And I agree with the Pope that the root cause of poverty is the distribution of wealth.
...the definition of poverty is the distribution of wealth.
travisbickle
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Sorry, I meant the root cause of poverty is the high amount of online pedants
ComputerMKII
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If John-Paul II could see this... a communist pope. The poor guy. If we needed one proof that the Pope was inspired by nothing, we've got one now.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong!
That's all a pipe dream. People are inherently bad and given enough power without accountability will corrupt.
Innovation, productivity and wealth are driven by competition ... that is the basic definition of competition. Do something better. Innovate, create a new better idea than everyone else. Productivity, make your idea work better than everyone else and wealth ... your reward.
If you want a compassionate, innocent, kind and equal world. You need to hold everyone accountable, punish those who sloth, steal, murder and sin their way. Reward those who are good, kind and compassionate.
You can't have everyone treated equally. You have the good treated better and the bad treated worst. That is a truly compassionate society.
the Koch Brothers.
I can understand limiting the wage gap and somehow maxing maximum wages if it is something done worldwide, but I wouldn't like a legitimate redistribution of wealth. I save a lot of money, so I have more money than for instance coworkers who earn more but don't save that well. A redistribution of wealth would imply I'd be punished for being frugal.
I think a redistribution would likely affect the old 1%. The top earners would see their earnings capped and spread as evenly as possible for those below them.
Unless you're a 1%-er you would likely gain money rather than lose it, and it'd likely be more in ways of salaries/money earned than anything else.
Redistribution is just another for fair taxation.
The rich prefer sales taxes because they soak the poor more, for example, while trying to abolish property taxes.
lol, wonder what these guys would think about the state being involved in things like marriage and abortion.
Hey, that's pretty christlike. News for the catholic church, their PR team is definitely improving.
Line to the Vatican Museums, on a very typical day.
Line to the Vatican Museums, on a very typical day.
It is basically one of the biggest museums worldwide, it is number 6. There are 5 million visitors each year, so indeed, it wouldn't make sense to give their collection to museums. They are already one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_art_museums_in_the_world
They're the biggest charity worldwide by a huge, huge margin. They're using their money for education and health care all over the world.
Source?
Forgive me for being lazy: here is the WIki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_health_care and the link for them being the world's largest non-governmental school system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_school
I was thinking more in lines of how much they donated last year, what percentage of their income is spent in charity, etc.
I'll look into that on my own if I find time later today.
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