http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/14/Revenue_1.html
Theres at least 5 catholic organizations on that list totaling at least $6 billion.
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Pope Goes Full Socialist, Calls for 'Legitimate Redistribution of Wealth'
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Theres at least 5 catholic organizations on that list totaling at least $6 billion.
That is something very difficult to calculate. The brances gather income by country and they always act very secretive about it. Or rather, they're not forced to announce anything because they're a private religious organisation and not a public company.
nelsonroyale
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Lets start with the Catholic church eh.
Anyway, he seems to be saying a lot of good things, except on abortion. Let's see how far his advocation and support extends...
Anyway, he seems to be saying a lot of good things, except on abortion. Let's see how far his advocation and support extends...
DUFFMCWALIN
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This comes up in every Catholic thread and gets absolutely destroyed.
nelsonroyale
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Natural selection and evolution didn't just beging on the African savannah mate. We are the result of billions of years of evolution and natural selection. Anyway, we are still going through forms of selection...The purely hardwired genetic determinism perspective and pure sociobiological arguments are exceedingly basic...
Right on. I hope he is sincere about it. We value wealth on a concept, on a tool (money) that we emphasize to such degrees that one has to suffer to get it, and they suffer even further if they lack it.
A fundamental paradigm shift is in order here. Of course, will those who are shortsighted to see the problems we have made come around to change their way of thinking?
A fundamental paradigm shift is in order here. Of course, will those who are shortsighted to see the problems we have made come around to change their way of thinking?
TheLaughingStock
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The IMF is a staunch advocate for fiscal consolidation. A redistribution in the other direction...
synchronicity
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Lol, no doubt. Years ago when I was about to marry my wife, she wanted me to have a Catholic ceremony to please her family. (I'm not religious at all, and neither is she after having known me for a couple decades.
) Anyway, I said, "Sure, why not." I didn't care about the ceremony or the paperwork that makes our union "official" anyway, so I agreed.Well, we went to have an interview to set things up with the local clergy and they politely informed me that I didn't have to be a member of their church in order to please my wife's parents with a Catholic ceremony. I did, however, have to pledge all my posterity (or at least my future children) to their organization, which came as a surprise to me. I explained that I just wanted to make everyone happy before politely declining their generous offer. I told my wife-to-be that she'd just have to deal with a bit of tension in the relationship, because I wasn't willing to do what the church wanted, lol. We ended up having a non-denominational ceremony.
Coriolanus
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Could you elaborate on that? I am not familiar with the concept.
Is this an apt explanation?
Cuz if it is, holee sheeeit, that's some gold standard age stuff.
The IMF often asks for austerity measures with its bailouts, that almost always disproportionately hurt the poor.
Ask Iceland and Greece, or many other countries. Ask Ukraine now.
I've seen their kind before, and it's always hilarious to watch them squirm when their statements get blown out of the water with ease. God forbid they find out how much money the Vatican sinks into medical research and how big their budget is for their Observatory.
The Catholic church has an Observatory?!?! With a telescope?
Yes. One of the oldest in the world, if not the oldest actually.
Coriolanus
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The IMF also published a report saying that austerity fucked Greece tho. And IIRC Iceland told the IMF to get bent with the bank bailout thingie, didn't it?
I was unaware of the IMF's current position on Ukraine, so I went and looked it up, What. In. Blazes? Dudes are expecting a massive increase in inflation and to nuke GDP growth rates from orbit because they want an arbitrary deficit number? It's like... wut? I don't even...
bodyboarder
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Lead by example.
They have been doing so for millenia, but it doesn't seem to be working because nobody understands they're already doing so.
The Catholic church is leading by example? Individual leaders of the Catholic church are leading by example? Who is leading by example?
See the previous posts on how the Catholic Church is leading by example.
You mean the millions upon millions of dollars the church gives to the poor year round every year? The thousands of missionaries that live in poverty in third world countries trying to help those in need? How about the hundreds of schools the Vatican runs in Africa to give those kids a chance?
Go ahead, keep bashing the Catholic Church. I dare you. You have probably spent ten minutes actually researching where the money that the catholics tithes to the church every week goes. And never once do you look into the history of what the church has done besides what popular tv tells you.
I am sick and tired of people slamming the Catholic religion without admitting that they have done great things in the past, and continue to do great things today. You act all high and mighty because think you can get away with it. But I will not stand by as one of the greatest institutions this world has ever known gets layed out.
Look into the past. The Catholic Church has done bad things, yes. But they guided the human race at its darkest hours. It has been responsible for some of the greatest things humanity has ever done.
Religion in general, be it Islam, Judaism, or Catholosism, has been there for everyone when we needed it. They preserved, strived, and encouraged science and our knowledge of the world when everyone looked elsewhere. They have been the cornerstone and crutch of every major empire the western world has known, and many others.
But no, people like you insist of bashing religions every chance they get for a few things. Because fuck history, now is all that matters? Well fuck you. You don't know what you are talking about, and every comment like "When is the church going to" shows it.
I was asking you to clarify what you meant. Leading by example is not just having some charity and museum. Leading by example means having the courage of your convictions, it means not jhust telling [people how to live, it means not being a hypocrite, which the Catholic church has been for a very long time.
Yes, yes, some of the things they do are excellent. Others are hateful in the extreme. Charity and museums do not remove all the hateful shit they have done and continue to do.
And fuck off with telling me religion has been there when I needed it, what rubbish.
I also was not bashing the church, but asking the poster to explain what they meant by leading by example, so just calm down with the fuck you's yeah? I asked a simple fucking question and you respond by saying fuck you? Nice work sunshine.
To be fair let the the church lead the way if they so desire. Both Catholic and Orthodox. The Greek othordox church is so rich that they offered to bail Greece out in return for Gas and oil bonds.
Have faith in God but not the church; faith does not require a temple nor money nor anything else.
Have faith in God but not the church; faith does not require a temple nor money nor anything else.
This is bullshit.
Sorry but I can't take anything this clown says, when the church in Spain is taking advantage of the law in order to buy stuff, like the Cathedral of Córdoba for a mere 30, in order to earn 13 million per year, which is tax exempted. They have done this all over Spain, pillaging all kinds of public building constructed with public money.
Where is the redistribution of wealth there? How about breaking down on your corrupt members before teaching lessons to the world?
Sorry but I can't take anything this clown says, when the church in Spain is taking advantage of the law in order to buy stuff, like the Cathedral of Córdoba for a mere 30, in order to earn 13 million per year, which is tax exempted. They have done this all over Spain, pillaging all kinds of public building constructed with public money.
Where is the redistribution of wealth there? How about breaking down on your corrupt members before teaching lessons to the world?
Acidote
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The Mosque-Cathedral of Córdoba. Don't eat the name change the Church has been trying to feed us all.
Lol American Catholics will convert to satanism before they listen to this pope. Or at least a significant chunk of them.
A 1400 year old building was made with public money?
It was built as a church and occupied as a mosque, why isn't it just a cathedral?
Whitechocolatekrispies
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This is bullshit.
You're only looking at the front end. You're looking at how the Catholic church makes money and never once mentioned how it spends the money.
You refuse to even acknowledge the charity, social work, hospitals etc the Catholic Church funds. The Catholic Church is the largest giving charity in Spain. Let alone the largest charity in the whole world.
It's healthcare system provides a fourth of the worlds healthcare, dwarfing all other charitable efforts of all other charities combined.
Now is there corruption, waste and un-christian behaviour in the Catholic Church. Most definitely. But does that dismiss the sheer overwhelming amount of good the church does? No.
IsntChrisL
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"So-called religion?"
Except he's saying that people need to work too. But sure, let's comment without even reading the OP.
The pope says to help the poor, the catholic church is clearly helping them. That is leading by example.
Well no, it never really gets destroyed because they themselves give very little money out of what they have in the riches of stolen gold they're sitting on at the vatican. The catholic organisation (e.g. people dotted around the countries, ordinary working/middle class people) work a lot to help out with donations and such, but the church itself doesnt.
That is a pretty immense simplification. Damn near meaningless.
Acidote
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Because it is both. The mosque didn't just disappear. It's been called the Mosque of Córdoba for a long time even though it is a Cathedral too, and it's perceived as a cultural monument much more than a religious monument, at least until the Church appropiated it a few months ago for 30€. And now they're forbidding tourist guides to call it Mosque-Cathedral if they want to keep working there.
It is a World Heritage Site, not only a Christian monument for the Church to benefit from while the taxes from all Spaniards and UNESCO funds pay for it's expenses.
The Kochs are fighting this pope hard. I believe they even had the pope denounced on the Pope's own network once (cost the denouncer his job)
That said, the rank-and-file Catholics in America reflect the politics of the country as a whole- Biden's Catholic, and he's pretty much in agreement with the pope economically (which is why I wouldn't mind him being the nominee- I don't want HIllary)
Than feel free to post something meaningful yourself. There are enough links and research on this page for you to find what you want without us having to repeat ourselves.
Winterfang
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I'll keep my capitalism tank you very much. The working class/rich people can help the poor with the taxes via welfare and other government aids. Those can be done a lot better though as I had a hell of a hard time to get back on track one I lose everything.
Coriolanus
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What you described is socialism.
Oh that's the one with the uncountable pillars. Ok I agree your right.
Guileless
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Not sure what you mean by a 'pure sociobiological argument'. But the argument that humans aren't born blank slates may look basic to affluent people living in democratic capitalist societies in 2014, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Vanillalite
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Yes they an observatory and employee a bunch of people you'd actually call a scientist.
The father of the Big Bang Theory is Georges Lemaître a Belgian Catholic Priest.
Ask Rajoy and his Church Friends, we have similar bunch on our end(Portugal), some hospitals have been given to church for free, the excuse was that they were nationalized during the 70's when the national health service was created. And now those hospitals become clinics, very profitable
Bitmap Frogs
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It's been a longstanding movemen without a church, specially in south america where the current pope hails from.
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