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POPGAF |OT3| Geo Da Silva > nails on chalkboard > Taylor Swift
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Is that why there was a steep decline in album and singles sales between Fearless and Speak Now, despite the latter having a higher debut week?Meanwhile TayLORD just keeps slaying more and more
Signs of stagnation so early in her career. Will RED even outsell Speak Now, or will Squints continue being the equivalent of a Twilight film: increasingly more front loaded with less success in the long run?
Are you sure about that?RED is the best selling album of the year by DEFAULT
And that's the key difference between pop royalty and low fat vanilla. Godney will always have her legacy regardless of the circumstances; Squints, meanwhile, has nothing to be remembered at the moment except a dossier of cocks attached to her name.
Which album won album of the year again?
Supermanisdead
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Celine Dion is on the cover of Costco Connection. When will your faves? #youtried #poordat
Oh, a prestigious Grammy award?
That's not what I meant >_>
grammys always help album sales, especially ones like AOTY. Which would explain easily why Fearless sold better than Speak Now, if the fact that there is a TWO YEAR GAP between the albums wasn't enough.
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Do you know, I've actually read Costco Connection once or twice and was struck by their journalistic integrity. Lesser magazines tried, though.
This photo always makes me smile. It's like Bruises himself is trying to figure out how he could win that award.
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This month's Interest in Pinterest article is flawless. Vogue hew?
A small two year gap and a Grammy award does not explain a drop of three million units sold; it explains even less the drop in singles sales.
This is always a lesser argument to hide a pervasive stagnation or drop in quality; the drop could also be due to a riskier project, but then risk is a foreign word in Squints' vernacular outside of venereal diseases. Justin Timberlake had no problem selling more copies of FutureSex than Justified despite the four year gap. Guess why.
Is that why there was a steep decline in album and singles sales between Fearless and Speak Now, despite the latter having a higher debut week?
Signs of stagnation so early in her career. Will RED even outsell Speak Now, or will Squints continue being the equivalent of a Twilight film: increasingly more front loaded with less success in the long run?
Are you sure about that?
And that's the key difference between pop royalty and low fat vanilla. Godney will always have her legacy regardless of the circumstances; Squints, meanwhile, has nothing to be remembered at the moment except a dossier of cocks attached to her name.
Facts seems to indicate otherwise.
Your pressedT-ness for Taylor runs deep.
Coming for someone's sales when they're the only act in the world regularly pushing monster numbers of albums, have expanded their appeal to a worldwide fanbase and are earning more tour money than anyone else is... desperate. But probably the only alternative left when a critically acclaimed act has released four classic albums with 15 more to come until she's doing legend tours at the age of 60. You can't go for the product so you're reaching for fiction.
Is that why there was a steep decline in album and singles sales between Fearless and Speak Now, despite the latter having a higher debut week?
Signs of stagnation so early in her career. Will RED even outsell Speak Now, or will Squints continue being the equivalent of a Twilight film: increasingly more front loaded with less success in the long run?
You'd know all about frontloaded acts with diminishing sales with each consecuent release so I'll trust your opinion on dat sis.
Nevertheless the tea has been spilled. RED has slayed all yo favs.
And thats the end of it
ok let me give you more reasons.
1) Lovestory was a popular single worldwide. Top 10 in many countries. You Belong With Me was a bit more local but still had impact. Speak Now didn't have many singles that had that impact anywhere.
2) Fearless is Swift's signature album. The one most people know when they think of her music. The one with the most iconic songs on it. The one that marks the beginning of their mass mainstream success. Doesn't every artist have one of these? I don't see Born This Way EVER outselling The Fame. We won't see Rihanna ever outselling GGGB with new album. More examples: Madonna with True Blue, Alanis' Jagged Little Pill, and Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson.
Having one album that vastly outsells the rest of your work is normal. And when you have Speak Now and Red having MASSIVE first week sales, it shows that the public isn't done with her and that Fearless wasn't just a phase.
Born This Way was not as well received as her previous albums, that much is obvious. It was also a much riskier project, as mentioned.I am rolling because you can use this argument to discredit Gaga
IN FACT, to entertain the notion of "context" in regard to sales, Gaga's debut numbers for an album so gay-friendly and anti-radio were more "impressive" than anything Squints managed to accomplish. Not everyone wants to cater to the taste of bigoted middle America or sell out to Max Martin for a cheap radio hit.
Only the QUEEN can still sell while giving a gigantic MIDDLE FINGER.
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tbh I don't know why Swift is known as the new heartbreak queen when her best known songs are "Love Story" and "You Belong With Me".......
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Born This Way was not as well received as her previous albums, that much is obvious. It was also a much riskier project, as mentioned.
IN FACT, to entertain the notion of "context" in regard to sales, Gaga's debut numbers for an album so gay-friendly and anti-radio were more "impressive" than anything Squints managed to accomplish. Not everyone wants to cater to the taste of bigoted middle America or sell out to Max Martin for a cheap radio hit.
Only the QUEEN can still sell while giving a gigantic MIDDLE FINGER.
mhmmm, I see it now, I agree
more than 400k of those were on the 99c sale. The lowest price for red was 9.99 and it still sold 1.2 million.
Also, half of the american public (150 MILLION) is in favor of gay marriage, which probably means they have no problem with gaga and her "gay friendly" music. Hardly a risk anymore.
Also, half of the american public (150 MILLION) is in favor of gay marriage, which probably means they have no problem with gaga and her "gay friendly" music. Hardly a risk anymore.
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gorls some hussy is blasting the wanted outside my apartment window. what have i done to deserve this. i'm okay with my homosexuality being responsible for hurricane sandy, but THIS is just too much.
At least someone knows how to promo their new album.
Drop a bust on ha. then, hide it under a wheelchair.
Drop a bust on ha. then, hide it under a wheelchair.
Did I ever say she's over? No.
Did I, however, give proof that she is selling (slaying) less and showing signs of stagnation? Yes.
Thank you for agreeing.
There is a world of difference between approving others having basic human rights and actually wanting anything to do with the gay community.
Actually, that poll itself might as well tell you the album alienated half of the American population just for expressing support towards the gay community.
Look at ITZ stanning Taylor Swift in 2009.
bu bu bu but!!! He just started bandwagoning ha for RED
ch...
EVIDENCE 1
EVIDENCE 2
EVIDENCE 3
And there's plenty more but I wouldn't want to EMBARRASS these heauxes.
All the shady cunts better offer up APOLOGIES. Ya'll know hew yew are.
bu bu bu but!!! He just started bandwagoning ha for RED
ch...
EVIDENCE 1
EVIDENCE 2
EVIDENCE 3
And there's plenty more but I wouldn't want to EMBARRASS these heauxes.
All the shady cunts better offer up APOLOGIES. Ya'll know hew yew are.
I fully accept that I didn't stan for taylor before Red. I don't see why it's a problem in the first place. Isn't that the point of promo? To gain the public's interest?
There's no way you're going to tell me that Gaga's sales were hindered because of the album's message. This is no Erotica situation.
There's no way you're going to tell me that Gaga's sales were hindered because of the album's message. This is no Erotica situation.
Look at ITZ stanning Taylor Swift in 2009.
bu bu bu but!!! He just started bandwagoning ha for RED
ch...
EVIDENCE 1
EVIDENCE 2
EVIDENCE 3
And there's plenty more but I wouldn't want to EMBARRASS these heauxes.
All the shady cunts better offer up APOLOGIES. Ya'll know hew yew are.
#InTheRED2012NameChangeDomination
Oh my dem receipts.
This isn't as severe as Erotica, but the message did hinder the album. It is not "cool" to be gay, especially in America. There is a sizable percentage of potential buyers being alienated for these pro-gay views and the perceived negative depiction of religion; this is called risk because the album is inherently shrinking the population of potential buyers and thus increasing the likelihood of selling less. In basic mathematical terms: if Born This Way attracted the interest of 10% of the American public, while The Fame Monster attracted the interest of 20% of the public, Born This Way would need to convince a much higher percentage of its potential buying population than the Fame Monster to buy the album to even match it in sales. This is why mainstream artists tend to avoid controversial topics because it cuts away potential segments of buyers and, more often than not, diminishes sales.
Oh when you put it that way, it is pretty clear.
I guess the opposite would be what Taylor did with Red. Attracting the interest of more Americans by releasing songs like WANEGBT and IKYWT.
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This is a great post, and it's exactly why I have a ton of respect for Born This Way as an album release. At the height of her popularity she decided to release an album that wasn't really radio-friendly, was crassly politically charged, bordered on pretentious and preachy in most songs, and catered moreso to her cult-like fan base than the "happy middle" that is the top 40 listener. That takes a lot of balls. Britney and Rihanna's teams would have boarded them up in a den if they said they wanted to make an album that might very well sabotage their popularity momentum. I'll always respect Lady Gaga for making Born This Way and standing by her intentions with that album. Its release is a very rare, and very important pop moment.
Yes, but to off set the risk was the 99c deal on Amazon. A deal that would account for nearly half of the total debut week sales.
That wasn't planned for. Amazon was looking for a release to promote their cloud player, and what better to use than the most anticipated release of 2011?
Also, people off put by the message of the album probably wouldn't get it at any price.
How does this change the end result?
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Perhaps she and her team were willing to take a revenue loss in order to get more people to listen to the album? Which could be seen as an integrity move? The argument can be spun any which way.
Blaming a huge Amazon promotion (which cut into her profits a great deal I'd imagine) on just a thirst to have a number 1 on BILLBOARD doesn't really make that much sense to me.
Amazon took the loss. It was their decision to sell the album at a loss to promote their service.
Gaga was ready to release the album, completely aware of the risk. Isn't that a virtue? There was no plan from her management to offset the risk.
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Good. The second half of my post still stands then.
Well, either way Gaga would have gone platinum anyway. I just think he debut week was fluffed by the Amazon discount.
I love you Soul sis, but I HAVE to call BS.
I think you and Koodo give Gaga waaay too much credit, and seem to be operating under the assumption that Gaga was AWARE that BTW wasn't friendly. On the contrary, I don't think she was. In fact, everything from her interviews to how the project was marketed (and how shes subsequently approaching ARTPOP) seemed to indicate that Gaga believed BTW was going to slay our lives AND radio.
I have yet to see an argument for how BTW was an Indie project in disguise that isn't completely based on hindsight.
Face it. With BTW Gaga thought she had the formula to slay our collective pussies and she didn't. Simple as.
The album was only available for that price on the day of release and the following day, I thinK.
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In the grand scheme of things how valuable is having a single week victory for your album release? Debuts are important to track at the time but longevity is much more critical to record labels at the end of the day. And you just said it, if they were going to go platinum anyway then it's silly to assume that she went through with the promotion in order to reach platinum. Motives can run deeper than simply "wanting a number one."
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Do you think Taylor would have beat Britney's record if she had the same deal?
Easily.
However, her label refused to allow Amazon to sell the album digitally so that wouldn't happen.
Sales dignity.
they were probably aware she had a chance at the record, and didn't want it to be stained with the caveat that some copies were sold at a tremendous discount
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Probably. Even I bought BTW at 99 cents. Might have done the same for Taylor. I do so love that Hunger Games song. I'm a firm believer of payin these heaux what they're worth.
Probably. Even I bought BTW at 99 cents. Might have done the same for Taylor. I do so love that Hunger Games song. I'm a firm believer of payin these heaux what they're worth.
Yeah, I remember you telling me you bought it beca......
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