Supermanisdead
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What kind of flawless graphic novel taste
You better stan Queen Brian, sis
yes, saga slays lives. what a fucking flaw free series.
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yes, saga slays lives. what a fucking flaw free series.
I went to check his post history to see what got him banned and I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in all my time in neogaf
the flashback i just had.
im YELLING
You guyz, Artpop is finally avaiable to stream. The moment wev'e all ben waitin for
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewRadioStation?cmd=AddStation&id=ra.736244281
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewRadioStation?cmd=AddStation&id=ra.736244281
Supermanisdead
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the flashback i just had.
im YELLING
omg me too. im blinded CRYING
what an iconic popgaf moment
You Know Nothing
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IS SHE FUCKING SERIOUS?
I'M YODELING.
I'M YODELING.
Supermanisdead
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now wait.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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To help cleanse that Leona cover from our minds, Foxes has released a new song.
Kiiii @ the apt title.
Shaking Heads
Get into it, sistren.
Kiiii @ the apt title.
Shaking Heads
Get into it, sistren.
Leona Lewis
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waittT
This is the real one:
This is the real one:
I prefer Cyno's
Leona Lewis
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But the fact that it even seemed like it COULD be true
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Yeah, that so many people were so willing to believe it is quite telling.
Poor bitch.
Poor bitch.
paperheart
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I LIVE.
Thanks for posting this sis. I <3 Foxes, and I love that she's finally releasing an album. Kind of sucks that it's not an album full of entirely new songs, since I already have her Warrior EP + Echo. Still, I will be there day one if I can.
Why did my fellow PTA not tell me that 4 hours ago the Robo Kweens Perfume would release their new PV?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NHJvWgG1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NHJvWgG1w
Supermanisdead
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im going to buy that album and change the cover art to the cyno version.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Why did my fellow PTA not tell me that 4 hours ago the Robo Kweens Perfume would release their new PV?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NHJvWgG1w
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS LOOK SO FUCKING FLAWLESS
Let me bow to the true international pop queens
paperheart
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You should put your coins towards the superior holiday album, Wrapped In Red.
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Why did my fellow PTA not tell me that 4 hours ago the Robo Kweens Perfume would release their new PV?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NHJvWgG1w
waiT.
This shits. And they all look so flawless.
Why did my fellow PTA not tell me that 4 hours ago the Robo Kweens Perfume would release their new PV?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NHJvWgG1w
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The Mirai no Museum of the LEVEL4 era
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I second this. Praise be to Kellsus Godson.
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WhereAreMahDragonz
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waaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttt this shits
Let me perch for this album
Omg do you know where tropico is yet
WhereAreMahDragonz
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OMG. Give us the deets.
I am dying at this gif omfg
But yes, SaintZ. We're all perched.
tali'zorah84
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Queen Kashiyuka still looking flawless with that slicked back hair let me just ;____;
WhereAreMahDragonz
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ikr? I loved her dress.
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Nocchi was the most regal queen of the bunch in that video. Let me just compose myself.
Serious question, wasn't Sticki Garbaj supposed to have a new album coming out this year?
What happened? Did she finally realize no one cares anymore?
Serious question, wasn't Sticki Garbaj supposed to have a new album coming out this year?
What happened? Did she finally realize no one cares anymore?
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When is she not a pure eloquent queen tbh
First, I hate people. I was like in the fourth row but everybody keep pushing everybody, some people had to leave, myself included, so I ended up like in row 20, still, I coud see Lana perfectly from my spot.OMG. Give us the deets.
Kassidy did not open for her, instead it was some lame ass DJ that lasted a fucking hour. Lana came out at like 9:20.
During Blue Jeans she got a little emotional, teary eyed and choked for a bit after everyone else were singing along, she just said 'amazing' and then proceeded to finish the song.
After that, she stopped everything for a while and got down the stairs to be with the fans, some of them got kisses in the mouth even
She did not sing Heart Shaped Box.
She spoke spanish for most of the event.
My favorite performances were Born To Die and Without You. I got a little bit emotional on those
Video Games was pretty damn epic too.
The only thing I did not like was the duration of the concert, barely over an hour, like 1:10.
I think those are the important details. Queen of everything tbh.
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Ugh, Lana is such a wonderful person.
Let me go listen to Born to Die and cry some.
Let me go listen to Born to Die and cry some.
First, I hate people. I was like in the fourth row but everybody keep pushing everybody, some people had to leave, myself included, so I ended up like in row 20, still, I coud see Lana perfectly from my spot.
Kassidy did not open for her, instead it was some lame ass DJ that lasted a fucking hour. Lana came out at like 9:20.
During Blue Jeans she got a little emotional, teary eyed and choked for a bit after everyone else were singing along, she just said 'amazing' and then proceeded to finish the song.
After that, she stopped everything for a while and got down the stairs to be with the fans, some of them got kisses in the mouth even(girls included)
She did not sing Heart Shaped Box.
She spoke spanish for most of the event.
My favorite performances were Born To Die and Without You. I got a little bit emotional on those
Video Games was pretty damn epic too.
The only thing I did not like was the duration of the concert, barely over an hour, like 1:10.
I think those are the important details. Queen of everything tbh.
It sounds like it was great experience (except for the DJ and moving part lol). More confirmation that Lana is a true sweetheart ;_;
Glad you got to go sis ;_;
Y'all are being too hard on Mumei. This is coming from someone who normally cannot tolerate SoHyang's tone and that performance of Fate is absolutely stunningly beautiful. Y'all are missing out on something truly magical. Easily ranks as one of my favorite live performances alongside Yolanda Adams' I Believe I Can Fly, Lara Fabian's Je Suis Malade, Whitney's A Song For You. I mean, just the build to tension, the dynamics of her intensity control. It's not just "perfect" technical singing, you genuinely feel something. Plus, who can resist that beautiful melody? It gives me Suteki Da Ne teas if they had added an amazing climax.
I can't really hear it at all. Their tones are so similar at that range to me, and Regine's seems consistent throughout that I just can't seem to get the impression of tension. Especially considering she's been belting this way for a good 20+ years. There have been relatively recent performance where you do hear strain, like that one video that Roy posted of various singers attempting to hit the F5, it's obvious she's completely incapable of executing it eloquently. As a side note, I'm completely kii-ing at this comment someone left after saying "Regine is the songbird":
I can't really hear it at all. Their tones are so similar at that range to me, and Regine's seems consistent throughout that I just can't seem to get the impression of tension. Especially considering she's been belting this way for a good 20+ years. There have been relatively recent performance where you do hear strain, like that one video that Roy posted of various singers attempting to hit the F5, it's obvious she's completely incapable of executing it eloquently. As a side note, I'm completely kii-ing at this comment someone left after saying "Regine is the songbird":
Regine velasquez is the Asian ShitBird
Oh, I agree it's soulless. There's something purely mechanical about her approach to singing and I've never seemed to find evidence otherwise.
I'll have to do some searching to be able to detect this. If anything, if there is strain, her tonal quality will change hitting the same notes throughout different performances. If she's consistent and belting with ease, should be mostly the same quality of production.
Not sure if I can explain it to you since I can't really find an example of it (and Roy doesn't seem to read these posts; I was hoping he'd help explain if he knew about it). It's difficult to describe because it involves using the muscle behind your adam's apple just below the jaw. You can manipulate this at an even frequency to control how "vibrato" is produced. You can essentially mimic this by grabbing the skin below the jaw and while sustaining a note, rapidly pull and push to achieve the effect, only you can control it without using your hands. [edit] I think I found a performance using your favorite singer: When she sings "bad rhyme," focus on her neck and watch how her muscles contract in synchronicity to the produced vibrato. Beyonce is sometimes guilty of the "heading bopping" technique you mention later on in this performance of Listen when she ends the line with "meeeeh."
I understand the various uses of vibrato and one's ability to manipulate it for dramatic effect, which is why after the prior discussion with you, it popped in my head: Can someone audibly tell the difference between a forced and natural vibrato? I find its much easier to control the speed vibrato has by using my throat, whereas the natural vibrato seems to be a result of relaxed and evenly supported breath expulsion while singing, but not as easily manipulated. Though, I can understand that you can easily go from a slow-> fast vibrato by increasing the airflow.
Whitney's an interesting subject because I believe her vibrato is natural, but her jaw also undulates like crazy. I think it's a combination of just having a relaxed jaw and possibly emphasizing its effect by coupling it with those movements. Like I said, it's difficult to point out. It would be nice if there would some sort of sample where you could hear a forced vibrato and a natural one.
I just watched it and my memory is forever imprinted with the first one. I've already turned it into an mp3 and have it properly tagged with an album cover even!
I will have to peruse through these tonight along with those SoHyang performances. What makes it difficult is that the truly good stuff is not in English, I imagine (like Fate), which is why I admittedly give up easily on foreign singers because I feel like I have to wade through a bunch of music that's not to my taste. Thank you for going through the effort of putting these together. I eagerly away what I can use and not use.
Yeah, it was awesome to see one of my faves at last ;_____;
In other news... you can buy Avril Lavigne now on iTunes AND all of Avril's alberms are 7.99 each, so you can buy her magnum opus, Under My Skin as well.
Muumuse praised the album in his review:
Get ha tbh
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The boys, the girls
They all like Carmen
She gives them butterflies
Bats her cartoon eyes
She laughs like God
Her mind's like a diamond
Hire her tonight
She's still shinin'
Like lightnin'
Ohhhohhhhhhhho like lightnin'
They all like Carmen
She gives them butterflies
Bats her cartoon eyes
She laughs like God
Her mind's like a diamond
Hire her tonight
She's still shinin'
Like lightnin'
Ohhhohhhhhhhho like lightnin'
I think this is a different criticism than the one you were making before, actually. In your earlier post, you said, "Maybe it's because I don't know her native language and can't pick out any improvisational abilities or personal style in her covers." I thought you were conceding that perhaps because you don't know the language you weren't able to pick up on improvisational abilities or personal style. I'd concede the improvisational abilities; unfortunately I don't even have the knowledge of which of her Korean songs are covers in the first place to even know where to begin. But I think her personal style is pretty apparent on songs like Fate, and I think that this section, again, demonstrates that if nothing else she has a lot of musicianship. When you say "personal style," I think of choices in phrasing, in the use of vibrato, in tempo rubato, in the legato, in playing with the melody, in which register to use, in what dynamic to sing in, with what tonal qualities, and so forth. I admit that she sometimes makes decisions I don't like, most particularly with Whitney and Mariah, but I think she's simply flawless in her Korean songs, covers or no. The head voice at the end of In The Flower Garden is perfect and perfect for the song, for instance.
I was also expressing disbelief that you considered vocal climaxes like these to be bland, even if there is a language barrier or you didn't like the voice I would've thought you'd appreciate the emotive qualities of the performance since that often seems to trump technical considerations for you.
As far as singing behind the melody is concerned, I'm not sure. I hadn't really noticed it, but when I listen to her English covers I'm paying more attention to the sound of her voice than anything else. I like hearing those songs with a voice that is actually phenomenal at sound production, and I'm willing to forgive a lot when it comes to her pronunciation or stylistic decisions that admittedly are missteps because of what she does that I do like. I don't have this problem with her Korean songs, perhaps because I am not listening to them with any preconceptions of what they should sound like and because she is palpably more at ease with the demands of the language. I don't think it's inherently a flaw to sing behind the melody; as you know there are great singers who have made a point of singing behind the melody, and while it might not have been the best choice to do with MHWGO, better singers than her have done that on songs that I don't really think it works well with.
I actually had noticed that WestVoice chose exclusively Korean songs to use as examples in that video, which I think is a tacit admission that she doesn't quite have the same standards in English. She's not Lara Fabian, who sings in four or five languages with the same quality of diction and ease as she does in French.
I'm pretty sure that's the best part of the entire video. Leona fell flat on her face on that part, and everyone struggled with some aspect of it.
You should listen to those climaxes I linked above, too.
Can you hear it here? I don't think that the fact that she's been belting improperly for a long time is necessarily evidence that she's not belting improperly. Different voices respond differently to vocal misuse. Jussi Bjorling was an alcoholic for his entire life, and he sounded like this the year he died at the age of 49. I think the evidence of whether a note is properly produced is in the sound of the note itself and other points of reference are unnecessary.
Though I'll be honest, it took me awhile with Regine to hear her issues, but they are there.
I don't agree with this formulation. If her tonal quality changes with different performances, that indicates either a) inconsistency (sometimes she's good, sometimes she's bad) or b) flexibility (she's capable of hitting the same notes properly in different ways). Another possibility is that she's pretty consistently bad, so she sounds pretty consistently bad in similar ways.
You can guess which one I'm pointing to.
I actually hear the Beyoncé example as almost melismatic as opposed to an attempt at vibrato, though perhaps that says something about what a bad attempt at vibrato it was if that is indeed what it was supposed to be. In any case, I maintain the position that it is unnecessary and a crutch for singers incapable of producing it correctly.
Yeah, you're getting to a point of discussion where a) I'm not sure I'm talking about the same things as you, b) I have no pedagogical point of view on the subject. I will happily concede that you are possibly right. Maybe.
I think it's possible to audibly tell the difference between a forced and natural vibrato; I think a natural vibrato has an evenness (centered around the pitch, even oscillations, and because properly produced vibrato is the result of an open throat, I should be able to hear the openness in the singing as well and the attendant musical tone. Of course, this is in theory; I haven't actually tested this out!
Whitney's jawing is entirely stylistic and has no real bearing on her vibrato itself. For instance, listen to her vibrato here until the end. Do you hear the vibrato on multiple sustained vowels, belted and otherwise? She's not jawing on any of them. And I know you know this. I don't think she sounds significantly different on this, despite her jawing, than she does on the sustained C#5s at the end of One Moment in Time, or the belts earlier in the performance. There might be some slight accentuation to it, but it's clearly not something she's doing to produce vibrato that she otherwise couldn't.
I will have to peruse through these tonight along with those SoHyang performances. What makes it difficult is that the truly good stuff is not in English, I imagine (like Fate), which is why I admittedly give up easily on foreign singers because I feel like I have to wade through a bunch of music that's not to my taste. Thank you for going through the effort of putting these together. I eagerly away what I can use and not use.
Lara Fabian is pretty fabulous. I was in the same boat as you until recently and I took the time to try to explore her more. I really love this performance of Je T'Aime, particularly this part. She's singing with the mic held by her side and is still quite audible.
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This is the real one:
I prefer Cyno's
Thats cute!
One more sleep is catchy as hell!
I am curious about Ave Maria...
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I'm glad someone else is letting Sleighona take 'em to the North Pole.
Ave Maria is my most anticipated to hear as well.
Ave Maria is my most anticipated to hear as well.
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This is so cute. It's like if Alice were all the Bradys.waittT
This is the real one:
I prefer Cyno's
I guess that'd just be the 70s version of the Bad Girls Club.
I need to know what those second and third songs are, because those are the other ones I heard from the virtuosity video that I loved.
True. Different singers have different capabilities of vocal abuse. I just imagine that if there's is evidence of straining, it would be more difficult to recover as time went on, whereas in the video you posted of Jussi Bjorling where, despite his alcoholism, doesn't have any signs of vocal damage or strain. So it's a bit of uneven territory for me in determining how one strains if it's so subtle that my ears can't detect it. There was a reason why I stopped watching Regine's performances and if I can detect strain, it'll be less like hammering the final nail into a coffin and more like shooting her off into space. I'm honestly halfway leaning against not wanting to because I really don't care for her singing *however*, it really bugs me that i can't hear it so I'm probably going to do it anyway. lol
Well, I'm mostly going by memory concerning how she sings and as far as I can, she's always belted with the same level of intensity and style (either by choice or because it's expected of her). I don't recall her ever having any capability of stylistically changing her tone for any artistic effect, which is why I'm confident that my tailor-made-for-Regine theory may yield results
It's a bad example as it only lasts for quick moment, but she definitely attempts to hold the "me" at very very end of her run.
Yeah, it's very difficult to articulate because I've only read about a "faux-brato" early on when I was learning, but it was supposedly produced by actually forcefully manipulating the abdominal muscles. That kind of vibrato is easy to detect because it's rather shallow and actually hinders tonal production (for obvious reasons). The throat-enabled one is easier, I think, as it doesn't involve the requirement of messing with your diaphragm. I suppose I'll refrain from explaining further until I can find proper reference for you, if it exists.
I've watched OMIT hundreds of times and I don't know why I never noticed that she doesn't do it there but still produces that same effect. For some reason I've stored that jaw-effect as her default technique. Touche!
I've already listened to Bambina and Caruso and Bambina especially is rather beautiful. No belting or intense climax, just very simple melody with a lovely tone. She actually reminds me a lot of Celine there. I'm still going through the other videos.
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