Spoiled Milk
Banned
I just watched the first two episodes and holy shit, this show rocked my socks off. I'm so stoked, my dudes.
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Preacher |OT| The Beginning Is Nigh - Sundays 10/9c on AMC
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Screaming Meat
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Isn't the whole deal with Comic:Custer that he naturally isn't corruptible? Arrogant, sure, but he never let the power go to his head, IIRC.
Plus, I thought the reason Genesis chose Show:Custer was that he wasn't corruptible, hence
why it blew the very corruptible power mad African preacher to bits.
Moff
Member
I dont know about comic Jesse, haven't read them
and I don't think it was ever explained why genesis chose him in the show, he asked it but I don't think the angels gave a clear answer?
maybe he is just a good person? unlike tom cruise.
either way, even if he was indeed incorruptible, I stil think it's good idea to show how he struggles with this kind of power.
and please don't spoilertag aired show content, this thread is spoilery mess already. untagged comic spoilers, tagged aired show content, it's really hard to know what's behind those spoilertags.
and I don't think it was ever explained why genesis chose him in the show, he asked it but I don't think the angels gave a clear answer?
maybe he is just a good person? unlike tom cruise.
either way, even if he was indeed incorruptible, I stil think it's good idea to show how he struggles with this kind of power.
and please don't spoilertag aired show content, this thread is spoilery mess already. untagged comic spoilers, tagged aired show content, it's really hard to know what's behind those spoilertags.
Teknopathetic
Member
It's kind of amazing that they got Cassidy and Eugene so right and everyone else so wrong.
Nathan_Drake
Member
She is a beautiful woman. However, I feel like I am the only person that does not like her casting as Tulip. The image of Tulip is so engraved into my brain as a blonde that it is hard for me to get past it. I think the characters are also so different from the comic to the show. This Tulip was made Op, that beginning episode where she takes down a helicopter and is using heavy weapons almost made me check out. Tulip is tops with a gun because her daddy taught her and she can fight. She is not Rambo. I am going to miss the wild passionate relationship between her and Preacher, it can't be the same.
This got me too. Is Tulip jealous of Emily? Did she come there to warn her to stay away from him and then was she waiting in her car thinking Jesse may show up there? Does Emily know Tulip's backstory, in this she is from the same town and lives with her drunk uncle I guess. I just saw no reason for the encounter when Tulip could have just went to the church. Odd
I agree with your assessment here.
I think Eugene getting sent to Hell is to spare him from the destruction that is about to happen to the town. They are all waiting outside that door and Jesse has a loud speaker set up. The only people that will be there are filler cast including Emily (since she is not a book character). Quincanno, Tulip, Cass, Eugene, Fiore and Deblanc, and Jesse are all that need to survive the scene and that seems to be worked out. I still hate that Quincannon is in it already. However, if they blow up the town the rest of the episode can't really stay there. I am thinking it will be the Season 1 Finale.
She was also in True Blood
Mind blown! She was so hot in TB. She looked so much cuter in this last episode too. It is hard to hide that much beauty.
It is so hard as a comic fan to watch them be so out of character. Tulip is the worst for me but Jesse is also a mess. He would never had used the "word" like that in the book. He has used it more in these episodes than the entire comic series. He should be so passionate about Tulip and he is not (I don't care how much he is trying to restrain or if he is doing it to protect her). He does not have the charisma that I thought he would. Cassidy is fun but very different. I don't feel like he is carrying his past pain and the wickedness/crazy that is inside him. Maybe that is why he doesn't wear glasses since he doesn't have that to mask in this adaptation. Also, Tulip and Cassidy had sex. I hate it so much.
Funny how much we can care about fictional characters.
I can see that being the case. I watch with my girlfriend and she often has questions. I have a hard time with what to tell her because I don't want to spoil anything but also because everything is very different. The "cowboy" thing was really bothering her so I told her a bit of why they were doing it and that would be relevant. Once they revealed Genesis, I told her how it went down in the book and the differences.
In all, I am enjoying the show even though it frustrates me because I think of what it could have been. Since it is so different I just enjoy being surprised and seeing where they are going with the source material. I am onboard so choo choo.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Isn't that the implication though...?
I'm not sure it's necessary.
Totally subjective but Comic:Custer is literally one of the only fictional characters that ever made me want to be a better person. Show:Custer is... he's a bit of a weasel, I think.
There's a gulf between the two characters and, indeed, character arcs that I'm finding difficult to get over. Like someone said earlier in the thread, the way Show:Custer spoke to Eugene prior to using The Word would be grounds for Comic:Custer to kick the shit out of him, and Comic:Custer only beats the shit out of folk who deserve it.
I know, right?
Nice catch on the tattoo. Didn't make the connection.
The line about "being free" of his promise was interesting if only because it seemed to show that Jesse really doesn't want to be doing this, despite what he's been telling people. Not just that he's bad at it but because maybe he only sees it as an obligation.
Edit: And as far as why Genesis chose Jesse (and I'm ignoring the comic here, just staying with how it works in the show) one might suppose that Genesis, being the offspring of an angel and a demon, would need/want a host who also comprised those two warring elements. I think in the context of the show, that Jesse, the bad man trying to be good, mirrors the nature of Genesis quite well. The African priest was too much of Heaven and the Russian Satanist was too much of Hell and Tom Cruise was Tom Cruise. Lastly, for as lackluster as I'm finding much of this, I will at least give the show some credit for giving its ancillary characters some depth, instead of presenting a bunch of cardboard cutouts for Jesse to mow over.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, that's a good shout.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Is the comic worth it? I really enjoy the show, is it inspired from it only or is it almost a 1:1 replica of it?
The comic is wildly different and frankly, much much better.
It's my favorite comic of all time and I read a *lot* of comics.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Thanks, I'll be giving it a shot then.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
It's brilliant.
Outdoor Miner
Member
The show is decent but Tulip is fucking INSUFFERABLE.
Herr Starr
Member
I just can't understand the comic readers in this thread who proclaim that "Jesse would never be like this". Are you guys serious? Have you entirely forgotten what was going on in Jesse's life at this point in the story?
It's almost like some people forget that Jesse had actual character development in the comics too.
He was broken mentally, the only bright spot in his life being God. He wasn't a tough guy any more (every time he tried to be, people he cared about got hurt), and there was no fight left in him except for one time when he got too drunk.
The show is very much following the comics in how they portray Jesse right now. He's conflict-shy and trying to avoid everything that has to do with his past life. He drinks a lot. He believes in God with all his heart. He's also a tough son of a bitch, but he's locked it away inside him, only letting us see it in very rare cases. It's only when he realizes that God quit that he'll grow a spine again and break out of his mental prison.
The show is very much following the comics in how they portray Jesse right now. He's conflict-shy and trying to avoid everything that has to do with his past life. He drinks a lot. He believes in God with all his heart. He's also a tough son of a bitch, but he's locked it away inside him, only letting us see it in very rare cases. It's only when he realizes that God quit that he'll grow a spine again and break out of his mental prison.
It's almost like some people forget that Jesse had actual character development in the comics too.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
None of those things you pointed out are my issue with his portrayal though. I don't recall him ever being spiteful to 'weaker' people (he gave away the towns secrets because he was fed up with their sinning and holier than thou attitude) or pumped up on his own importance and/or power. Happy to be proven wrong, of course. The Comic and Show Custers at this similar point are very different, as are their ostensible motives and concerns.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Same. (Well okay, I don't read that many comics, but otherwise, same!)
ElectricThunder
Member
Definitely a weird episode and they're going to have to explain the whole bit with Eugene given that seems wildly out of the power curve there.
Looks like next week will continue to dial up the crazy happenings though given the preview snippets, so we'll soon see.
Looks like next week will continue to dial up the crazy happenings though given the preview snippets, so we'll soon see.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Ratings:
Episode 1: 2.4 million viewers and 0.9 A18-49
Episode 2: 2.1 million viewers and 0.8 A18-49
Episode 3: 1.8 million viewers and 0.7 A18-49
Episode 4: 1.1 million viewers and 0.4 A18-49
Episode 5: 1.4 million viewers and 0.5 A18-49
Episode 6: 1.5 million viewers and 0.5 A18-49
Episode 1: 2.4 million viewers and 0.9 A18-49
Episode 2: 2.1 million viewers and 0.8 A18-49
Episode 3: 1.8 million viewers and 0.7 A18-49
Episode 4: 1.1 million viewers and 0.4 A18-49
Episode 5: 1.4 million viewers and 0.5 A18-49
Episode 6: 1.5 million viewers and 0.5 A18-49
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Those ratings look accurate. This show slowed down a lot. No plot development and the mystery is all gone, in my opinion. The show opened up in a way that made me ask "wow, what kind of crazy shit is going to happen to this town" and it turns out the answer is nothing.
I thiiiiiink what they're TRYING to do is paint a whole season around Jesse's initial misguidedness, COMIC SPOILERS:
even though it lasted merely a page if that in the comic.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Well...
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-wa...s-changes-for-the-tv-show#kiz5mHbkVEB7dTb7.99Garth Ennis said:
Don't mind the character changes as long as I like the chars or at least if they make sense in the world they are building.
New Tulip is a great take and could fit back into the comic as her own separate entity and hold her own; she is fully fleshed out
This Jessie though...is a total unlikeable asshole. I liked the fact he was a bit unsure of himself in the beginning, but I dont have a clue what they are doing here with the char.
As a comic fan I actually want deviations...already we've gotten some great scenes out of it (the clone battle royale). But up until this episode it felt like they were threading water. Heck, thinking about it asshole Jessie is an improvement from that weird slacker dude we had for 3 episodes in a row.
New Tulip is a great take and could fit back into the comic as her own separate entity and hold her own; she is fully fleshed out
This Jessie though...is a total unlikeable asshole. I liked the fact he was a bit unsure of himself in the beginning, but I dont have a clue what they are doing here with the char.
As a comic fan I actually want deviations...already we've gotten some great scenes out of it (the clone battle royale). But up until this episode it felt like they were threading water. Heck, thinking about it asshole Jessie is an improvement from that weird slacker dude we had for 3 episodes in a row.
Teknopathetic
Member
Tulip is definitely one of the more innocuous alterations and Ruth Negga plays crazy so well.
i guess being a completely unstable stalker is more believable than comic tulip. doesnt make it good though. hopefully something comes along to make me care about why shes sticking around
You know what, I can't stand her either. She shows up, I start browsing this forum or some other place.
Right now I get the feeling this is a so-so show with high production values and occasional good moments.
dead souls
Member
I enjoy well made sharp shows but what does that have to do with the limp mess this show has turned out to be?
I read the comics so long ago that I remember almost nothing from them. I don't really think this is a "fans of the source material will not stand for any deviation" thing. The show is just extremely boring.
It's so dull that I watched Ray Donovan and Roadies rather than it last Sunday.
I read the comics so long ago that I remember almost nothing from them. I don't really think this is a "fans of the source material will not stand for any deviation" thing. The show is just extremely boring.
It's so dull that I watched Ray Donovan and Roadies rather than it last Sunday.
I am liking the show so far....yes it is something completly different but it is a cool different.
I still think we will reach Comic Jesse with character development.
Also ... I don't remember, but he can do what he did to Eugene on the comics ?
Didn't he already tell people to do what they ALREADY can ?
I still think we will reach Comic Jesse with character development.
Also ... I don't remember, but he can do what he did to Eugene on the comics ?
Didn't he already tell people to do what they ALREADY can ?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Well made? Even disregarding the source material, the pacing is horrendous, the characterization is a mess, and the plot isn't even interesting. Sure the acting is good but that's about it. I need more than "good production values" to keep me entertained. I honestly don't even know why non-comic readers enjoy this show. It's terribly boring and the main character is an insufferable, unlikable douche.
Plus, the appeal of Preacher is in its unapologetic combination of blasphemy, violence, sexiness and over-the-top craziness. Quite literally the opposite of what we're getting, outside of the occasional Cassidy scene.
SirRattleBalls
Banned
I can believe this, i tried to watch the show past the second episode, and i just gave up. The story is just to jagged and cut wrongly, the scenes as well last for an eternity.
Moff
Member
as a non-reader, let me answer that for you
the first episode was excellent
I think the story and characters are interesting
I really like all three main characters
the show certainly dropped in quality after the first episode, but the whole premise is good enough to keep me watching and there are occasional fun scenes.
they will have get better again in the least few episodes and season 2, though.
and I agree there could be more sexiness.
We had an angel being dead, crucifix being compared to pretty horrific things, LOTS of violence with Roscharch (someone following GOD) and the hotel scene which has over the top craziness like the eugene scene.
And that is in the last 2 episodes
We are only missing in the sexiness part but hey, there is always Jesus DeSade =P
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
You totally forgot warmth (yeah, really) and really good guys/gals unambiguously kicking the shit out of really bad guys/gals... except two specific instances. The lack of warmth is why The Boys is such a trudge. It's just so damn mean.
RoyaleDuke
Banned
Reflecting on this show I am just going to have to mentally separate the comic and the adaptation.
There's parts of the show where it makes me go "that is Preacher" and then there is just so much stuff like the glacial pacing, and other things that just drag it down.
I mean even objectively looking at the show, ignoring the comic, it still isn't very good.
The acting is good, the production is okay, but everything else about it just drags it down for me.
There's parts of the show where it makes me go "that is Preacher" and then there is just so much stuff like the glacial pacing, and other things that just drag it down.
I mean even objectively looking at the show, ignoring the comic, it still isn't very good.
The acting is good, the production is okay, but everything else about it just drags it down for me.
Pyramid head
Banned
I'm pretty certain he can only make people do things which are physically possible for them to do. Making someone literally go to hell is stupid (as hell). If he can do that, he can do almost anything and the 'voice of God' becomes a different power entirely.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That doesn't cover the (comic spoiler)
'Go fuck yourself'
EDIT: Waitaminute, thinking about it, Comic:Custer tells (comic spoiler)
Jody to 'Burn!' and he does
Moff
Member
I don't think Eugene really went to hell, that would not make sense.
I think when Jesse tested genesis on Cassidy, it was clear he cannot to supernatural stuff with it, he told him to fly and he didn't. So if Eugene is really in hell, that would make no sense. I hope he just ran away or something like that.
I think when Jesse tested genesis on Cassidy, it was clear he cannot to supernatural stuff with it, he told him to fly and he didn't. So if Eugene is really in hell, that would make no sense. I hope he just ran away or something like that.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That cold open was brilliant.
Lets be honest. There is little in the show that is nearly as disturbing and fucked up as what comes later in the comic. Its actually one of the things I find a bit unintentionally humorous as you can see the show runners trying to keep up with the insanity of the comic before actually arriving to the events proper. They do ok with it but I think they consider a lot gore and other similar "shocking" stuff as enough to bridge the gap for what is going to come up.
I mean its got long moments of mean streaks and I'm not sure warmth is the term I would use. I mean the comic basically becomes the "what horrible thing can we do to Herr Starr?" which is hilarious but hardly what I'd call nice or warm or what not.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Jesse and Tulip's relationship can be pretty tender, as well their relationships with their parents, (major comic spoiler)
Cassidy's heartfelt plea for Jesse's forgiveness at the end, the good guy's always being good/bad guys always being shits, the ending in general
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I thought about it, and I'm really fine with the pacing of this show. I trust Seth Rogen (considering he's been pursuing this adaptation literally since he has obtained an agent) and after having watched Better Call Saul I know how rewarding good character development is. The disappearance of Eugene, Donny's increasing frustration with Jesse, not to mention the whole Genesis thing are all building up in interesting ways. The action and plot movement are punctuated by some pretty hilarious scenes, too. I will probably never stop laughing at Cassidy in a rice farmer's hat. Donny telling his wife "please don't fuck ___ in a bathroom stall" was hilarious. I loved Quincannon's lots-of-lessons speech after the hooker-chasing incident ("And ladies... Uh... If you're going to be out here at night, watch where you're going"). Fiore is so humorously out of place all the time that he's a contender for best side character in the show.
Yeah, this show is good. I'm a little worried that "character development" is going to be used as an excuse for dragging us along painfully slow episodes while letting the plot stagnate, but as long as the funnies keep rolling in and the craziness of Preacher makes it later on in the show, I'll be happy.
Yeah, this show is good. I'm a little worried that "character development" is going to be used as an excuse for dragging us along painfully slow episodes while letting the plot stagnate, but as long as the funnies keep rolling in and the craziness of Preacher makes it later on in the show, I'll be happy.
Did you ever watch rubicon and what did you think about that show?
God, don't bring this up. I still haven't gotten over it. By the time I realized how much I enjoyed Rubicon it was too late. (That show also benefited from binge-watching).
Makes sense ... the edit is more in line with the episode.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Nope, never heard of it
Yep, I have liked her since I first saw her on BBC Robin Hood years ago.
Vampirolol
Member
Very good episode. I don't get the complaints about Tulip, she's awesome.
This Jesse is good, not my favorite character ever like the one from the comics, but still good. I hope that his arc will make him better in the next season though.
This Jesse is good, not my favorite character ever like the one from the comics, but still good. I hope that his arc will make him better in the next season though.