Good good. This can only make it look better in VR. Aliasing is so jarring in VR. Unless of course if the solution is way too blurry that's bad for VR too.
Though is he only talking about the Xbox version there?
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Project Cars 2 |OT| Buggy Racing At The Four Seasons
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Though is he only talking about the Xbox version there?
TylerDurden4321
Member
pCARS2 feels a lot better, but I think you're doing everything right, especially since many bugs will have been patched out in a few months. I'd wait with a wheel right before you buy PC2 though, don't get one for PC1.
Personally, I love older race cars that have racing history, but I assume most of them are pretty shitty to drive with a controller in pCARS1. But maybe consider reading up on a car or homologation category (like Gr.A or Gr.5) on wikipedia, some are pretty interesting.
Oh...I haven't played Gran Turismo Sport. I didn't get an invite to the BETA. I referenced Gran Turismo's of past. Since it's introduction to Gran Turismo the Nordschleife has been terrifying because of how connected the car feels. For whatever reason I understand much better how the cars react to the surface.
The thing about Gran Turismo's Nordschleife is even after a couple of laps I instinctively know where the bumps are so I can always pre-empt the way a car might behave. At full-pelt it becomes a phycological thriller.
In Project CARS I don't feel anything. I seem unable to understand it's version. To me it's lifeless.
There are a couple of things I don't like about the physics model. This being one of them, but also slow speed physics, kerb interaction and off-track physics. It all feels wrong to me.
Im trying the game with a controller for the first time and I'm seriously unimpressed. Steering sensitivity at high speeds is much improved over the first game otherwise it is still a mess. Out of the first five cars I've tried non of them have felt good. Maybe I have just tried five of the worst cars, I don't know.
I am so glad I have a wheel. The reviewers praising the new controller settings are playing a different game than me it seems.
I am so glad I have a wheel. The reviewers praising the new controller settings are playing a different game than me it seems.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
yeah i'll hold off for a while then jump in.
any recommendations on a wheel/pedals for PC? a quick look on amazon gives me this one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B013Y78YY4/
GHG
Member
The Thrustmaster T300RS is the best bang for buck wheel right now.
TylerDurden4321
Member
I agree. (or TX if you are leaning towards ever buying an Xbox over PS4 and playing racing games on it).
For me the gear-driven Logitech ones feel... whatever let's just say I like the more modern belt-driven solution from Thrustmaster better. The Thrustmaster T150 and TMX are also belt-driven, but less power, lower resolution(precision of detecting how far the wheel is turned) and also no optional add-on rims makes those two cheaper Thrustmaster wheels inferior to the Logitech G29/920 (and some really fast, I mean REALLY fast guys still drive on G27 wheels, which is basically the same wheel as the G29, just not licensed for this gen consoles). So,
T300/TX > G29/920 > T150.
Also a brake pedal with good feel is important. There the cheap thrustmaster pedals are not good (which often come with a T300 as well, depending on the bundle, so look for that too, brake feel is important for being fast later on).
Betta Lines
Member
T300 seems to be generally around £50 more, where it is the better 'bang for buck' as GHG says. However, the G29/920 is often on offer below £160 (I have seen it as low as £130 and £150 with shifter included), at which point the Logitech would be more tempting on a budget. Both are decent wheels - Thrustmaster has the better performance, Logitech has the better materials/build quality.
Gormenghast
Member
Ian Bell "we only have five bugs, and we already fixed them all" attitude isn't helping giving that idea.
They seem to be more busy minimizing issues rather than aggressively fixing them. Even the patch doesn't even try fixing the myriad of small issues that would take a little time to address and would make the game feel more polished overall.
Maybe there aren't BIG problems, but it seems to be dying from a thousand minor cuts.
That's great to hear and hopefully true - where did you hear this?
Big Takeover
Member
Positive impressions from my first hour last night.
- 1st run: 991 GT3 @ Portimao: Set up my FFB, and explored the physics. Good news, both felt like they belonged in the conversation with other sims. Pleasantly surprised. Not so great news, even stripped down from PC1, the FFB settings highlight a lack of confidence in the simulation. FFB should only come in one flavor, with an option for additional effects.
- 2nd run: Caterham race @ Knockhill: Good fun! OK, I could start to see behind the curtain a bit in regards to the physics, but it was enjoyable in the same way other "silver standard" sims are. AI was acceptable here. That "brake the wheel that drops into the grass, so you get pulled off" tho. No bueno.
- 3rd run, classic 70's Penske Trans Am @ Watkins Glen: OK, my first taste of terribly inconsistent car/tire physics. This drove nothing like you would expect. On rails, impossible to get oversteer.
Some default setups are terrible.
I'm in for that. I'm fed-up of people just wiping me out for no reason or because they're not paying attention or just don't know how to race.
vacantseas
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bubaglobalj
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I started the game in career mode and started off in kart. My god the karting is way harder than in the first game. I literally did 3 hours of restarts, until I won first place. Now I have finally moved on to the second race, and that track is just impossible, lol.
I think I am going to jump right into cars. Carting is just too frustrating.
Do I have to get good, or is it seriously hard?
I think I am going to jump right into cars. Carting is just too frustrating.
Do I have to get good, or is it seriously hard?
It's just hard and super punishing. Much more spinning out compared to the first game in my experience. Car control is a little too unpredictable and frustrating for my tastes sadly.
Tough to say but I'd go on a limb to say Ian does not differentiate between versions related to the game. but who knows.
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?53333-XBOX-Graphics-Quality-of-Dash&p=1375771
TylerDurden4321
Member
I have the feeling that all cars on tires with lots of section height, especially bias ply has too much grip - more so than other cars. If the car then has significantly wider rear than fron tires --> zero on-power oversteer.
Tried your combination with the Penske Trans Am at Watkins Glen and that car is an extreme case! Jesus. And about the engine idle-sound you are right too. Had forgotten you mentioned it, then I heard it too, thought for a second it's supposed to be a bad interior echo sound, but then I remembered you mentioning it. It's really the idle-engine sound on a different audio lane ON all the time.
Tried to do a super extreme setup to get some power-oversteer. That basically brok the game (no crash, no real slideshow, more like the physics engine needs gets framepacing issues with delays of about 1 second), back to pits, default setup on again and isolated what caused the issue:
harder rear springs than front springs and the physics engine can't cope with it anymore
https://youtu.be/tFKAc4pk8Hw (timestamps in the description)
FrankCanada97
Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
Are we going to get a GAF lobby set up tonight or what?
I just had a great Race at Dubai, GT3 class. I entered the lobby with little time to Qualify, didn't pay attention to the weather forecast: Rain. It started in dry conditions and I was going up until I had an incident with a car on the second turn: I was 4th after starting 8th and fell to 10th, with some back aero damage.
I started my comeback and was doing fine, but still far from where I wanted to be. Then rain started puring, to my surprise. I saw people entering the pits, but I refused to, I had to gain positions and the car was working fine. Two laps later I entered pits. It was the sweet spot and I was really happy with my decision. Sad part is I was navigating the ICM menu all the time and lost a ton of time because it was my first time and didn't know where to change tires. I used this because I've heard there's a problem with switching tires in the pit when using automatic.
I gained some positions off people didn't enter or entered but had their tires change glitched. Then a crash in front, I avoid it and start a fight with one of the guys involved. Rain starts slowing down, some parts of the circuit are very wet, others not so much. Rain is puring hard in the third sector, but the second is drying up fast. When I'm in the straights I look for water to cool down my tires. A never before! Then I overtake the guy in front in the last corner. On lap 9/10 the guy crashes into me after losing the car. He could have given the position back, but he doesn't. Shame, but still nice fight up until the last turn. 6th out of 16. 3 points.
I look forward to having this game patched and refined, but even as it is now, there's simply nothing like it. What a blast.
I started my comeback and was doing fine, but still far from where I wanted to be. Then rain started puring, to my surprise. I saw people entering the pits, but I refused to, I had to gain positions and the car was working fine. Two laps later I entered pits. It was the sweet spot and I was really happy with my decision. Sad part is I was navigating the ICM menu all the time and lost a ton of time because it was my first time and didn't know where to change tires. I used this because I've heard there's a problem with switching tires in the pit when using automatic.
I gained some positions off people didn't enter or entered but had their tires change glitched. Then a crash in front, I avoid it and start a fight with one of the guys involved. Rain starts slowing down, some parts of the circuit are very wet, others not so much. Rain is puring hard in the third sector, but the second is drying up fast. When I'm in the straights I look for water to cool down my tires. A never before! Then I overtake the guy in front in the last corner. On lap 9/10 the guy crashes into me after losing the car. He could have given the position back, but he doesn't. Shame, but still nice fight up until the last turn. 6th out of 16. 3 points.
I look forward to having this game patched and refined, but even as it is now, there's simply nothing like it. What a blast.
ReDelicious
Member
The Porsche manufacturer drive at Hockenheim is insane. Practically the whole track floods there. Was actually kinda fun turning the AI down and just going for the ride.
Guys, just bought the game (PS4 Pro here); is the Mclaren supposed to so GD floaty? Seems like the handling on the demo circuit is weeeeeiiirrrrd compared to other racing games in general. I'm about 12 mins from the full game being downloaded so I'm hoping it's just me being weird.
TylerDurden4321
Member
YouTube's (still) most watched sim racer, Empty Box, did a sort-of review of Project CARS 2.
For the people who don't know him, out of all the guys like Jimmy Broadbent and GamerMuscle, but also channels like Inside Sim Racing and Team VVV, Matt Orr aka Empty Box probably knows his racing stuff the best and that goes for historic racing and car knowledge as well as sim racing titles (he also drives better, but Jimmy is getting faster and more experienced, actually catching up
. But Matt is what you call "opinionated", however not in the way "everything that is not title xy / everything that is not super realistic sim ...is by default garbage".
His history with Project CARS:
- Need for Speed Shift 2 is his most disappointing racing game ever (out of the the ones that actually could have been good theoretically)
- before pCARS 1 he was kinda positive and found it silly that people were taking such extreme stances even before release
- gives Project CARS a semi-positive review
- no videos about Project CARS follow
- makes this video called "Why No More Project CARS From Me. (No Video)" in that he tells people requesting more pCARS videos in the comments that it's a win-win for everyone if he doesn't make more pCARS videos and also says some opinioated stuff about Ian Bell
- a month before Project CARS 2 release he uploads "Opinion : Why I Have Zero Excitement for Project CARS 2" saying he's not going to get hyped and there is no reason whatsoever to believe this is going to be any better than pCARS1 given SMS's history. He doesn't even mention if he's going to buy it to give it a fair shot(in the comments he clarifies that though).
Now Empty Boy made a Project CARS 2 review:
https://youtu.be/t1Qc08v46T4
For the people who don't know him, out of all the guys like Jimmy Broadbent and GamerMuscle, but also channels like Inside Sim Racing and Team VVV, Matt Orr aka Empty Box probably knows his racing stuff the best and that goes for historic racing and car knowledge as well as sim racing titles (he also drives better, but Jimmy is getting faster and more experienced, actually catching up
. But Matt is what you call "opinionated", however not in the way "everything that is not title xy / everything that is not super realistic sim ...is by default garbage".His history with Project CARS:
- Need for Speed Shift 2 is his most disappointing racing game ever (out of the the ones that actually could have been good theoretically)
- before pCARS 1 he was kinda positive and found it silly that people were taking such extreme stances even before release
- gives Project CARS a semi-positive review
- no videos about Project CARS follow
- makes this video called "Why No More Project CARS From Me. (No Video)" in that he tells people requesting more pCARS videos in the comments that it's a win-win for everyone if he doesn't make more pCARS videos and also says some opinioated stuff about Ian Bell
- a month before Project CARS 2 release he uploads "Opinion : Why I Have Zero Excitement for Project CARS 2" saying he's not going to get hyped and there is no reason whatsoever to believe this is going to be any better than pCARS1 given SMS's history. He doesn't even mention if he's going to buy it to give it a fair shot(in the comments he clarifies that though).
Now Empty Boy made a Project CARS 2 review:
https://youtu.be/t1Qc08v46T4
It's pretty fair and I hope SMS watches it and takes notes
FrankCanada97
Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
When this game works, it's awesome. I just had 2 races of multiplayer with full 24 car lobbies racing touring cars. Since touring cars are a nice beginner car, there were no major incidents in either of the two races. Everyone drove each other clean.
When everyone doesn't have to worry about barely keeping control of their car, they can actually focus on racecraft. I went up to a C safety rating. It's a shame their aren't more lobbies racing the lower tier cars, everyone wants to dive in head first into all the high performance cars and end up wrecking all the time. People are missing out on some fun racing categories.
When everyone doesn't have to worry about barely keeping control of their car, they can actually focus on racecraft. I went up to a C safety rating. It's a shame their aren't more lobbies racing the lower tier cars, everyone wants to dive in head first into all the high performance cars and end up wrecking all the time. People are missing out on some fun racing categories.
seattle6418
Member
Actually due to the lift off oversteer some of the FF touring cars are very hard to drive.
As for the lobbies, sometimes one bad choice can ruin your night.
I started as a D1520, then won a couple of races, finished well and stuff and moved to a D1546.
I had the the idea of jumping into a lobby where they had indy cars at Oval Monza... at night.
Manual start so the jackass didn´t go, the game gave me four consecutive penalties for overtaking before the start and for being too far away from the pack.
What am i supposed to do? The guy is just parked, how can i maintain my position?
So when things get going the car flips like Mark Webber in Le Mans and i had to retire to the pits because the car wouldn´t move.
End of story:
D1515
So the entire night leveling up in six or seven races and then one bad choice and we´re back to square one.
I was almost at a C, so after all that if i didn´t move from D to E it means i´m close to it.
It sucks when you keep going in random lobbies or if you are in a hurry and enter the ones where you can qualify.
It´s always a disaster waiting to happen.
As for the lobbies, sometimes one bad choice can ruin your night.
I started as a D1520, then won a couple of races, finished well and stuff and moved to a D1546.
I had the the idea of jumping into a lobby where they had indy cars at Oval Monza... at night.
Manual start so the jackass didn´t go, the game gave me four consecutive penalties for overtaking before the start and for being too far away from the pack.
What am i supposed to do? The guy is just parked, how can i maintain my position?
So when things get going the car flips like Mark Webber in Le Mans and i had to retire to the pits because the car wouldn´t move.
End of story:
D1515
So the entire night leveling up in six or seven races and then one bad choice and we´re back to square one.
I was almost at a C, so after all that if i didn´t move from D to E it means i´m close to it.
It sucks when you keep going in random lobbies or if you are in a hurry and enter the ones where you can qualify.
It´s always a disaster waiting to happen.
All you needed to type.
I hope they rework retire to pits, because losing 30 points because your car is wrecked makes no sense.
It beggars belief that ill-conceived design concepts like this still make it into video games after years of development. It's blatantly a terrible idea thats not been properly thought through.
GHG
Member
Hey, it could be worse, you could have to open a lootbox that may or may not give you a consumable ticket that allows you retire to the pits without the penalty
LostDonkey
Member
I've uninstalled it for now. Using a G920 and can't for the life of me keep the car on the track no matter the settings.
Didn't have this problem with the First game or Asetto Corsa, or the F1 games.
Very disappointed.
Didn't have this problem with the First game or Asetto Corsa, or the F1 games.
Very disappointed.
Just to expand upon this point. In the Malaysian Grand Prix Ocon went off-track on to the grass. Unlike Project CARS 2, the car didn't spin. He was able to maintain direction and rejoin the race without being a passenger. That was in an F1 car!
I'll be watching this later. I like his commentary.YouTube's (still) most watched sim racer, Empty Box, did a sort-of review of Project CARS 2.
For the people who don't know him, out of all the guys like Jimmy Broadbent and GamerMuscle, but also channels like Inside Sim Racing and Team VVV, Matt Orr aka Empty Box probably knows his racing stuff the best and that goes for historic racing and car knowledge as well as sim racing titles (he also drives better, but Jimmy is getting faster and more experienced, actually catching up
His history with Project CARS:
- Need for Speed Shift 2 is his most disappointing racing game ever (out of the the ones that actually could have been good theoretically)
- before pCARS 1 he was kinda positive and found it silly that people were taking such extreme stances even before release
- gives Project CARS a semi-positive review
- no videos about Project CARS follow
- makes this video called "Why No More Project CARS From Me. (No Video)" in that he tells people requesting more pCARS videos in the comments that it's a win-win for everyone if he doesn't make more pCARS videos and also says some opinioated stuff about Ian Bell
- a month before Project CARS 2 release he uploads "Opinion : Why I Have Zero Excitement for Project CARS 2" saying he's not going to get hyped and there is no reason whatsoever to believe this is going to be any better than pCARS1 given SMS's history. He doesn't even mention if he's going to buy it to give it a fair shot(in the comments he clarifies that though).
Now Empty Boy made a Project CARS 2 review:
https://youtu.be/t1Qc08v46T4
It's pretty fair and I hope SMS watches it and takes notes
Yeah, it's things like this that flat-out ruin the online experience. After a spin, no matter how you approach re-joining the track, the race director parps up with some nonsense for unsafe driving...yet there's no other car anywhere near me. I've got all the time in the world but I still get penalised. What am I supposed to do...not re-join the track or what?
Yesterday I started as at C1479. Had quite a few races but my rating was ruined. Bathhust...got side-swiped on a straight and pushed to the back of the pack. Why? In the same race, I got ahead and the same car decided to wreck me two more times. He missed the second time so I got away. Petulance that affected my rating.
Imola...medium left hander to over-crest. Car on it's roof. Tried to escape collision but just caught my right hand side. Race director warns me for dangerous driving. Rating docked more points.
By the end of the day I was down to a D1419...not because I was being unrealistic on-track but just players not racing fairly and stupid race directorship.
Then I realised something.
I decided to continue racing but not qualify. It worked. Two clear races in a row. I just let everyone else melee right in front of me and stayed out of trouble. I managed to recoup some and get back to a C1430.
Not qualifying is not the answer. I think the penalty/race director system needs to retire until it has a better way of measuring race craft.
Not even on the lowest AI settings?
GHG
Member
YouTube's (still) most watched sim racer, Empty Box, did a sort-of review of Project CARS 2.
For the people who don't know him, out of all the guys like Jimmy Broadbent and GamerMuscle, but also channels like Inside Sim Racing and Team VVV, Matt Orr aka Empty Box probably knows his racing stuff the best and that goes for historic racing and car knowledge as well as sim racing titles (he also drives better, but Jimmy is getting faster and more experienced, actually catching up
His history with Project CARS:
- Need for Speed Shift 2 is his most disappointing racing game ever (out of the the ones that actually could have been good theoretically)
- before pCARS 1 he was kinda positive and found it silly that people were taking such extreme stances even before release
- gives Project CARS a semi-positive review
- no videos about Project CARS follow
- makes this video called "Why No More Project CARS From Me. (No Video)" in that he tells people requesting more pCARS videos in the comments that it's a win-win for everyone if he doesn't make more pCARS videos and also says some opinioated stuff about Ian Bell
- a month before Project CARS 2 release he uploads "Opinion : Why I Have Zero Excitement for Project CARS 2" saying he's not going to get hyped and there is no reason whatsoever to believe this is going to be any better than pCARS1 given SMS's history. He doesn't even mention if he's going to buy it to give it a fair shot(in the comments he clarifies that though).
Now Empty Boy made a Project CARS 2 review:
https://youtu.be/t1Qc08v46T4
It's pretty fair and I hope SMS watches it and takes notes
Watched this earlier (to be honest I just listened to it mostly because the video itself is quite boring) and it's a great in depth analysis on the game.
Do you have any specific cars that you feel handle well with a controller? I just tried the Huracan and AMG A 45 Turing car and they are the first two cars I've tried that felt very good with a controller and didn't require god-like precision to drive them hard. At least now I know for sure that some cars are actually good with a controller, I was legitimately starting to wonder why anyone thought the controls were improved.
I love how the VR settings and regular monitor setups are separate so you don't have to mess around with settings every time you switch between the two. It sounds like such a minor thing but I appreciate it. Now that I'm slowly learning which cars do well on a controller this'll be the perfect couch game when I'm not in the mood for VR/wheel play and I just want put in a few quick laps.
GHG
Member
The GT class cars control well with a controller, but then they also did in the first game.
Most of the cars are good to drive with the pad, as long as you don't adjust any of the controller settings.
Formula Rookie is a lot of fun, and the Formula 3.5 is great fun at the Texas infield track.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Jesus Christ, for a second there I thought you were driving in VR using a joypad. That's one of the modern portents of the apocalypse.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Hey, Seattle6418 and everyone else using an H-Pattern shifter, WE WON! xD
29 pages of people saying it's unplayable, it's too slow, SMS members saying it's realistic and based on data, people then saying "we don't believe you, and we don't care with the mis-shifts and an FFB-shifter that prevents us from putting the gear in, it's unplayable etc.", Ian Bell posted
Also downshift prevention will let you overrev a lower gear by about 10% now (which I think is too much, but I don't really care if it's not based on actual electronics of each of the different cars that have this system.
29 pages of people saying it's unplayable, it's too slow, SMS members saying it's realistic and based on data, people then saying "we don't believe you, and we don't care with the mis-shifts and an FFB-shifter that prevents us from putting the gear in, it's unplayable etc.", Ian Bell posted
childish, sore idiot ...230+ms delay above what you need to move the shifter in an 80's F1 dogbox, please
Also downshift prevention will let you overrev a lower gear by about 10% now (which I think is too much, but I don't really care if it's not based on actual electronics of each of the different cars that have this system.
Instead of getting all huffy about it why don't they just have an engine/gearbox protection system like Assetto Corsa does with sequentials?
Thanks for the tips. I just did tested out the Continental GT3 (sounds beastly) and 488 GT3 cars and they seemed good.
I tested out Assetto Corsa in VR with a controller a while back and I'd say it cuts the immersion in half. Still cool but at no point do you forget that you're just playing a game like you do with a wheel in VR.
TylerDurden4321
Member
What do you mean? For sequentials with auto-clutch? They have that, but people think it's too intrusive and safe, doesn't let you shift down soon enough into higher rev ranges of the next lower gear. Personally I didn't have a problem so far. (I like the "beep" that RaceRoom puts out to tell you, that shift didn't happen because of the downshift protection)
In manual sequential gearboxes that are mostly driven unclutched and manually synced, the problem was that you could downshift whenever you want and however fast you want, you can shift from neutral to whatever gear you want as fast as you want, but when shifting up from a gear into a higher gear, there was a build in delay, a minimum time you had to spend in neutral and if you went under that time, the game just nope "nope, you mis-shifted, this gearbox can't shift that fast". The timings were(still are right now) complete bullshit though and I mis-shifted all the fucking time in older cars, because even in real life I'm not used to shift that slow if I want to put the hammer down. Also, had they just said "ok, gear is in, but let's wait another 200ms until it's actually engaged" instead of "nope, you mis-shifted and now you're over-revving the engine, too bad", most people would have ignored this bad delay design decision.
Ah, ok. I didn't have a full understanding of the issue at hand. I say let people manually shift straight from 6th to 1st at 150mph if they want, so long as realistic damage occurs.
I'll let someone else sort out the 'damage off' factor. My work here is done.
TylerDurden4321
Member
100% agree.