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[we.are.the.armada]

again, the bolded is mine

Yeah, Weyland was "superstitious" according to Vickers. Hell, he's a desperate man rich enough to do something about it, I suppose.

As for the DNA, match machine aside, my theory as to why the SJs are not evolving is because somehow they are creations (like David) as well. They don't have nipples and are seemingly all about the same size and male form. Maybe they are a mass produced being that is immortal and does not evolve physically. Possibly pale and hairless because they live in a cave all their lives and taller because of a different gravitational environment.

The damn squid... ok, so squids come from infected human intercourse. However, xeno-mural in the tomb shows the Giger facehuggers - where do those come from? I wonder.

If they travel to a system 30 light years away at .999c, slightly more than 30 years will pass on Earth, but much less time will pass on the ship (the movie made it two years). The only way thousands of years would pass would be if they were traveling at some much smaller fraction of the speed of light.

As for space-time warping, who the fuck knows? There might be some relativistic effects. But sci-fi in general tends to toss out relativity when warp drives are involved. In the movie-verse, two years at warp speed could equal two years of Earth-time. There might not be any relativistic effects at all.

Ok

 

[GhaleonEB]

- How the fuck does a character run around after her abdomen has just been cut open and sutured shut? I'll let this one slide; maybe medical technology in 2094 can instantly bind muscle tissue together again, but it seemed weird. Anyway, this is a minor problem.

1) The local anesthetic had not yet worn off.

2) Shaw injects herself with multiple additional painkillers.

3) She is seen popping pills, probably even more additional pain killers.

And she was doubling over in agony late in the film as they were wearing off. I bought it, though as you said, it's the least of the films problems at that point.

Which raises the question: what will she eat and drink on the ship? And how will she handle the pain when her anesthetics wear off?

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

1) The local anesthetic had not yet worn off.

2) Shaw injects herself with multiple additional painkillers.

3) She is seen popping pills, probably even more additional pain killers.

And she was doubling over in agony late in the film as they were wearing off. I bought it, though as you said, it's the least of the films problems at that point.

Which raises the question: what will she eat and drink on the ship? And how will she handle the pain when her anesthetics wear off?

Stasis Pod

Ripley floated 57 years through space.

 

[MjFrancis]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

 

[Zeliard]

People are analytically approaching a movie in a way that you don't so they must be in a state of anger and hatred?

I'm not at all talking about the people who are just discussing it, nor was I even referring specifically to anyone in this forum (I missed like the first 80 pages of this thread), so I don't know why you're taking it personally. When a high level of gnashing vitriol is thrown at something there's typically hatred or at least severe dislike behind it. There's definitely been quite a bit of that elsewhere, and that's what I was pointing at.

This movie was promoted by the creators as something that is supposed to engage audiences into expansion of thought and expectation. And you are pontificating about how people should learn to keep their expectations at a reasonable level?

Judge the movie on its own merits, or lack thereof. The creators are a part of the marketing just like anything else. It's irrelevant what they say about the qualities of their work, especially pre-release, because they are trying to sell you the movie and will say anything that gets you to watch it. Same thing goes with games. People put far too much stock in the marketing when they should simply judge the thing for what it is.

If you don't want to discuss the movie fine, just please resist the urge to tell GAF what they probably need to go watch. Also, what did you think about the squid baby?

Already posted what I thought about squid baby. Wasn't wondering so much about how it grew to the size it did, since alien stuff tends to just grow larger in quick bursts in the franchise for whatever silly reason, but why that particular evolution of the thing ended up so large when parasites are generally far smaller than their hosts, and the small facehugger is incredibly effective and efficient at its job. Basically, less about the way that it grew to that size but why it would need to in the first place.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

He did it so he could get impregnated with a xenomorph. Notice how he suited up for the flight, but took off the suit so that he could punch through the airlock of the escape pod. And how did David know he was coming for her... that bastard, he probably told him where take a look. David cannot be trusted.

Shaw yells "DIE!" at him before she hits the button and her kid grabs him.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

Did ALL the space jockeys of the universe stumble on black goo 2000 years ago and hence never carried out their mission to kill all humans?

 

[Freshmaker]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

He was a dick.

 

[Scarecrow]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

That might have been the only warship loaded for their mission.

 

[maharg]

He was a dick.

This one wins.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

Would that really make sense story-wise?

 

[Replicant]

He was a dick.

No one is going to take the "Dick of the Year" award from David. He rightfully deserves the honor.

 

[Zeliard]

No one is going to take the "Dick of the Year" award from David. He rightfully deserves the honor.

Someone was a big fan of Shame.

 

[jet1911]

No one is going to take the "Dick of the Year" award from David. He rightfully deserves the honor.

Poisonning Holloway was a pretty dickish move indeed.

 

[Macattk15]

Would that really make sense story-wise?

But then you totally could of had Shaw chasing him down and throwing the axe into his back Mel Gibson in The Patriot style!

 

[Freshmaker]

This is what I believe too; the black goo is just a catalyst for evolution, useful for seeding a planet with the building blocks of life. I also believe the Engineers eventually did not agree with what the Humans had become and were planning to start over with the planet Earth.

I get the impression that they didn't really care one way or the other about humans. Probably wasn't much more to them than fumigating a house for pests before moving in.

 

[MjFrancis]

He was a dick.

This is the best answer because there's no looking past that gaping chasm in the script.

 

[maharg]

Poisonning Holloway was a pretty dickish move indeed.

Of course, Holloway was also a dick. So that's really just a dickwar. Casualties to be expected.

 

[Freshmaker]

This is the best answer because there's no looking past that gaping chasm in the script.

They should've given David subtitles when he was talking to the engineer. That could've filled in a lot of that chasm.

 

[Zeliard]

The scene with the Engineer waking up was genuinely great. Everyone's looking up at him expectantly, audience included, and then he violently decapitates David and starts delivering beatdowns. It's only too bad he didn't kill Weyland with a backhand. Would have been thematically appropriate.

 

[Macattk15]

The scene with the Engineer waking up was genuinely great. Everyone's looking up at him expectantly, audience included, and then he violently decapitates David and starts delivering beatdowns. It's only too bad he didn't kill Weyland with a backhand. Would have been thematically appropriate.

I also enjoyed the shit out of that scene. Think I even yelled "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

But then you totally could of had Shaw chasing him down and throwing the axe into his back Mel Gibson in The Patriot style!

Shaw wasn't about to go chasing after anybody. She already decided to crash a ship to stop him, she lost her chance to stop him one on one when he was starting up the ship.

 

[Zeliard]

I also enjoyed the shit out of that scene. Think I even yelled "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".

I've seen people criticizing how violent the Engineer was but I dunno why. I mean the thing is an alien creature, and by definition has motives which are strange and unknown. I would have been far more disappointed if he was some Spielbergian kindly entity who freely started divulging the secrets of the universe to a random set of humans (and one dickish android).

 

[Freshmaker]

No one is going to take the "Dick of the Year" award from David. He rightfully deserves the honor.

David was awesome. One of the few characters I identified with.

 

[Man]

The scene with the Engineer waking up was genuinely great. Everyone's looking up at him expectantly, audience included.

Very imposing. Like the dark music of that scene as well.

 

[Macattk15]

All this talk of the engineers being Jesus and the such .... dumb.

So Jesus was now a 15 foot tall muscle bulging albino?

Least I know how he moved that boulder ...

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Could this be true:

No, the Alienverse has FTL travel, and even if it didn't, the math there is way off. 30 ly at nearly C will get you there in seemingly a few days or weeks from the ship perspective, but will be about 30.1 years from Earth perspective.

Alienverse FTL experiences inverse time-dilation, the faster you go past C the worse things are off for you (which is why they have to put everyone in stasis). The 2 years on the ship may have actually been 40 or 50 years for David who wasn't in cryosleep. Alternatively, it was 2 years for the ship (and david), and it was less than that from Earth perspective. It depends on how closely Ridley is keeping with the canon set out in the other movies / expanded universe.

 

[Freshmaker]

All this talk of the engineers being Jesus and the such .... dumb.

So Jesus was now a 15 foot tall muscle bulging albino?

Least I know how he moved that boulder ...

It does address the problem with intelligent design.

Just because something created life, it doesn't mean that the thing that did so is somehow infinitely powerful or wise.

 

[Macattk15]

It does address the problem with intelligent design.

Just because something created life, it doesn't mean that the thing that did so is somehow infinitely powerful or wise.

But it would make sense that the "creators" would be superior to what they are creating.

 

[maharg]

But it would make sense that the "creators" would be superior to what they are creating.

Would it? Would it really?

I'm not better at math than the computer I'm typing this on. In fact, if my computer could laugh it'd probably laugh hysterically at my math skills.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

All this talk of the engineers being Jesus and the such .... dumb.

So Jesus was now a 15 foot tall muscle bulging albino?

Least I know how he moved that boulder ...

Or they raised a human (modified or unmodified, could be either way) as one of hteir own and sent him as an emissary. Or it was an advanced android (robotic like David, or merely a biological artificial person ala Battlestar Galactica), or it was a genetically engineered Engineer made to look like a human SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF FITTING IN.

This is only a "problem" if you have the imagination of a cockroach.

 

[Count Dookkake]

But it would make sense that the "creators" would be superior to what they are creating.

David seems to be superior to the rest of the crew...

 

[Nappuccino]

David seems to be superior to the rest of the crew...

Superiour at getting them all killed lol.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

All this talk of the engineers being Jesus and the such .... dumb.

So Jesus was now a 15 foot tall muscle bulging albino?

Least I know how he moved that boulder ...

I know that this was in interviews, but it wasn't at all in the film, I hope they scrap it.

And if a sequel is made and the beginning shot is a flashback showing an engineer going through a crucifiction... I don't know what I do.

Edit: I'd move on it's just a film.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Superiour at getting them all killed lol.

Not his problem. He's still alive.








lol

 

[Macattk15]

Would it? Would it really?

I'm not better at math than the computer I'm typing this on. In fact, if my computer could laugh it'd probably laugh hysterically at my math skills.

You didn't create the computer. The people who did create the computer are most likely superior to you.

 

[FStop7]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

A species of dumbasses evolved from primates, who you created, came along and fucked up your ship. You'd be pissed, too. That's actually one of the things I didn't have a problem accepting. I totally bought that the engineer was raging, especially after how quick he was to start killing people when he woke up.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Engineer's pursuit of Shaw makes sense. He can't allow her to have access to his race's technology or to allow her to mobilize whatever military earth might have. She has to be stopped at any cost.

 

[maharg]

You didn't create the computer. The people who did create the computer are most likely superior to you.

Irrelevant. The computer I'm typing on is better at math than any person who has ever or probably will ever live, including everyone involved in its creation from Babbage on.

 

[Puddles]

So does anyone else agree that:

1) The film failed to establish any sustained feeling of suspense/horror, and

2) It desperately needed more monsters/threats of some kind?

 

[Zeliard]

You didn't create the computer. The people who did create the computer are most likely superior to you.

The computer is superior to them.

That's one of the major themes of the film. The crew objectified something they had no familiarity at all with and it bit them in the ass. They expected that their creators would manifestly be these benevolent, great beings, simply due to how they perceive the notion of a god, or gods, and their search ended in disaster. So certain they were of what they'd find that they took a ship with no weapons.

As Shaw says at the end, "we were wrong."

 

[televator]

I don't think anyone means nothing was literally addressed. It was addressed in the Prometheus fashion of, as fast as possible to get to the next set piece. You hit the nail on the head with the interaction between crew being lacking, and thats what I read whenever I see someone say "no one cared." They aren't acting realistically as characters in a movie. The bare minimum was done just to get to the next scene. You had no relation with any of the characters because there were no real emotions exhibited by any of them.

No! I've got it. They were pretending to be British!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjC3R6jOtUo

 

[FStop7]

So does anyone else agree that:

1) The film failed to establish any sustained feeling of suspense/horror, and

2) It desperately needed more monsters/threats of some kind?

When they first arrived in the Ampule Room and the murals started changing followed by the sudden storm, I felt a lot of tension that never really went away. But if I saw the film a secon time I doubt I'll feel any suspense.

 

[Freshmaker]

But it would make sense that the "creators" would be superior to what they are creating.

No more so than your parents are superior to you.

 

[Macattk15]

No more so than your parents are superior to you.

Blasphemy! Guess I see what you guys are saying .... but I still don't buy the whole Jesus line of thinking.

 

[Karsticles]

- Aside from the c-section scene (which was MUCH tamer than some of you guys made it out to be; I swear some of you have no intestinal fortitude)

I second this. Before I saw the film some people described it as an outright gore scene, like it would take a lot to stomach. I thought it was really tame.

 

[duckroll]

Engineer's pursuit of Shaw makes sense. He can't allow her to have access to his race's technology or to allow her to mobilize whatever military earth might have. She has to be stopped at any cost.

Erm, that didn't seem to bother him the first time when he took off.

 

[Macattk15]

Besides being strong tall motherfuckers .... and creating an alien lifeform thing that bursts from your chest .... they didn't really look like they had traditional weapons.

Their ship didn't look like it had any missles/guns ... they certainly didn't have any. Maybe they were afraid for their future seeing how we could now move further into the galaxy with what weapons we did have? And all this gave them another reason to wipe us out with the xenos?

 

[Ashhong]

You know, maybe thats why she got the Axe... to kill the thing.

Makes sense..

Wasn't the axe for the Engineer? Old quote, but my tab just happened to be on this post.

 

[Karsticles]

I'm sure it's been addressed, but watching Prometheus a second time I've had to ask myself why does the Engineer chase after Shaw when he could just get on another ship and resume the inevitable destruction of Earth. You know, like the one David and Shaw escape with at the end of the movie.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

Apparently they're a perfect genetic match to us (which doesn't make any sense to me), so they probably get angry like we do and seek revenge like we do. His thought was probably "Wow, she just blew up my favorite ship, I'm going to get kill her."