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Just watched this movie. It was a piece of garbage.

The story was so on the nose it was painful. Also the ship interior and crew looked like they came straight out of Mass Effect instead of the gritty, sterile Aliens I know a love.

Also proto-alien at the end makes no sense when alien Jesus sculpture exists before it in the caverns.

Just want to mention that the Alien at the end by no means had to be the first Alien, it was simply showing us that they were created from black stuff at some point in time. The Mural proves they existed before.

Looks like we may get Spaihts draft in the blu ray.

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The home release is being produced by Charles de Lauzirika - same guy who did the 5 disc Blade Runner set and the Alien Anthology set so it should be awesome.


Hyped.

Sorry don't know if this has been posted, but the thread is so long I can't check.

Some production set shots of the space jockeys. I have a question:

The 'suits' they are wearing weren't suits at all but a part of their physiology?

https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/4083772/1//Engineer?h=977393&p=0
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Yeah, if I had to guess the suits were biologically created and fused to them, probably based of the Xeno for one reason or another. One way or another it looks fucking creepy, and I like it.





http://www.krop.com/ivanmanzella/

Fiefield:

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Some proto-xeno concepts in the link as well.

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Yeah, I dont get why we got stuck the Fiefield zombie, this stuff looks so much cooler..I mean, it really looks like they made a xeno version and filmed it:

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In case anybody missed Julian Sanchez's blog (link here):

Nobody, at any time, acts remotely like a scientist.

Goo DNA Scene = Is this really the best means available for this incredibly advanced species to introduce genetic material to a planet? It’s a little like finding out that Prometheus brought fire to humanity by setting himself on fire despite the ready availability of kindling. As with many, many other bizarre moments in this movie, this makes sense at a thematic and allegorical level, but fails at the level of elementary plot logic.

Weyland = Since Weyland’s plan involves him being revived once they’ve made contact with the aliens, he must know that this will be exposed as a deception within a day or two, making the whole elaborate ruse completely pointless, except as a setup for a lame third-act reveal. Weyland’s primary motive, we eventually learn, is the hope of learning from the aliens some means of further prolonging his life, as he has hit the limits of artificial extension and is near death. Except he can apparently remain alive in cryostasis indefinitely. So instead of funding a probe and further medical research while he waits on ice for the next breakthrough, he has packed himself on this unprecedented and incredibly hazardous voyage.

Crew = Upon arriving at their destination, we see that the team has incredibly sophisticated mapping probes, but charge into an alien facility themselves without waiting for the probes to finish scanning the structure. Immediately upon discovering that there’s a breathable atmosphere within the facility, one Dr. Holloway brazenly pulls off his helmet—chiding his colleague and lover to not “be a skeptic,” because apparently skepticism is anathema to good scientists. Though it’s later confirmed they have no way of being sure the air isn’t full of strange pathogens, and everyone else points out that this is insane, the rest of the team nevertheless immediately follows suit when it doesn’t result in his instant death.


Fifield and Hoodie = The Shaggy and Scooby of the film—a biologist and a geologist—freak out at the sight of dead alien bodies, despite having been willing to truck 35 light years on a perilous exploratory mission, and hasten to head back to the ship in a panic. They get lost, despite the fact that the geologist is the one with mapping expertise. This fear then evaporates as quickly as it appeared, as the biologist decides he should recklessly cozy up to a terrifying alien serpent creature. To nobody’s surprise, it quickly kills the biologist, while his geologist colleague is dissolved in black goop, only to later reappear as a zombie in a completely pointless fight scene. This is a pattern. In almost every scene, members of this handpicked group of top scientists for a trillion-dollar mission routinely make the kind of wildly irrational blunders that we strain to accept when it’s half-drunk teenagers in slasher pics.

David and Holloway - Android David infects one of the scientists with the black alien slime for no apparent reason, despite the obvious danger this poses. The aforementioned infected scientist can see there’s something obviously wrong with him, but instead of immediately seeking medical attention, decides to risk himself and the entire crew—including the love of his life—by pretending he’s just hunky dory until he literally collapses.

Squid Baby - Because… how the hell does he (David) know what “three months” looks like? When she pleads with him to cut it out, he attempts to knock her out and put her in stasis, again for reasons unclear. She then neglects to mention this unsporting behavior to anyone, and nobody seems at all curious when she shows up bloodied and bedraggled after performing an emergency auto-caesarian. David, who was previously so keen to retrieve squid-fetus for whatever reason, exhibits no interest in what might have happened to it.

Space Jockey Pilot - A member of this incredibly advanced species that created humanity is found in stasis and awakened. Confronted by a group of humans, including an android that speaks its language, and obviously lacking any knowledge of how many others there might be, or what weaponry they might have, this advanced being makes no effort to gather any information. It roars and begins acting like a space monster, attacking the party with its bare hands. The Engineer survives this crash and almost instantly locates Noomi Rapace in order to continue the effort to kill her, again with his bare hands.

(Prometheus) is less like deliberate mystery and more like simple bad writing.

I can't help but agree with the analysis but I disagree with the final statement - once we see a script and cut footage, we'll probably get a much better idea of what this movie was and what was sent to theaters.

Also, there were crew members that vanished in the film right? Because of a section of the movie that was cut out? Can anybody confirm this?
 
Heh. So they did film 2 Engineers having dialog with each other before the "sacrifice," would definitely give some context to what he is doing at the beginning. My friend who saw it with me did not see that scene as seeding the planet but poisoning it. I thought it was pretty clear, but I have been keeping track of the film.

EDIT: Well the picture doesn't confirm dialog but does show two living engineers together in the opening scene.
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In case anybody missed Julian Sanchez's blog (link here):



I can't help but agree with the analysis but I disagree with the final statement - once we see a script and cut footage, we'll probably get a much better idea of what this movie was and what was sent to theaters.

Also, there were crew members that vanished in the film right? Because of a section of the movie that was cut out? Can anybody confirm this?

I got the impression that the"scientists" where not all that smart... they mostly relied on David for thinking/translating. Seems like technology had progressed so much that the "geologist" was a title more than anything. He just liked getting high and playing with his scanner probes.

All of Davids actions where at the behest of his "master" Weyland. He didn't give a shit about the squid baby because they found a live engineer! He infected the crew to see what would happen.

again, this reads like someone who thinks they are smarter than they are trying to pick apart the movie, but not really understanding the motivations of the characters.
 
Okay, so if we're keeping "direct exposure to goo causes humans to more into Xenos", could this potentially explain why the last Engineer was so aggressive? If he knew that humans would turn into Xenos after contact with the goo, and knew how deadly Xenos are...it would kinda make sense that he just wants to stomp them out.

Especially if David was all like, "Hey man, good news! We found your goo!"
 
I got the impression that the"scientists" where not all that smart... they mostly relied on David for thinking/translating. Seems like technology had progressed so much that the "geologist" was a title more than anything. He just liked getting high and playing with his scanner probes.

All of Davids actions where at the behest of his "master" Weyland. He didn't give a shit about the squid baby because they found a live engineer! He infected the crew to see what would happen.

again, this reads like someone who thinks they are smarter than they are trying to pick apart the movie, but not really understanding the motivations of the characters.

A trillion fucking dollar expedition with two key members of the richest corporation, spending four plus years in the middle of nowhere, and you bring along idiots, yahoos, stoners, and unstable robots. Argh.
 
I got the impression that the"scientists" where not all that smart... they mostly relied on David for thinking/translating. Seems like technology had progressed so much that the "geologist" was a title more than anything. He just liked getting high and playing with his scanner probes.
I think you might have something there. This is a world where everything important is done by machines. A year 2012 geologist is not necessarily the same as a 2090 geologist. In their time period, the credentials might be more about being able to handle geological technology than anything else.

A trillion fucking dollar expedition with two key members of the richest corporation, spending four plus years in the middle of nowhere, and you bring along idiots, yahoos, stoners, and unstable robots. Argh.
How many people do you think are really willing to sacrifice 2 years of their lives to go out on a yoo-haw expedition like this?
 
I assumed that the stasis engineer didn't become hostile until he touched David and discovered he was synthetic.

He may have seen them as competition to his race at that point, since they had attained a level to make such a creation.
 
A trillion fucking dollar expedition with two key members of the richest corporation, spending four plus years in the middle of nowhere, and you bring along idiots, yahoos, stoners, and unstable robots. Argh.

It wouldn't be the first time.

But I'd be more willing to bet that the issue is more that those members were scared, tired, and not thinking clearing. It doesn't come across very strongly, but I'll be using this in my mind until further notice.
 
I assumed that the stasis engineer didn't become hostile until he touched David and discovered he was synthetic.

He may have seen them as competition to his race at that point, since they had attained a level to make such a creation.

I think it was more that he was offended.

Think about it, he's from a race that sacrifices themselves to create life on other planets. A synthetic life form would be an affront to everything he believes in.

Wouldn't be the first time we see someone turn to violence when their belief is attacked like that.
 
I assumed that the stasis engineer didn't become hostile until he touched David and discovered he was synthetic.

He may have seen them as competition to his race at that point, since they had attained a level to make such a creation.
Also, didn't the movie insinuate that David is the first of his type? Surely there are other AI robots, but I got the feeling that David is something new and precious from how Weyland talks about him.

I think it's hard to discern what pissed off the Engineer. Did he touch David out of kindness first, and then become violent? Or was he going to be violent all along? Did Shaw getting hit by the soldier affect him at all? From the Engineer's perspective, this is a pretty confusing scene. Who knows what set him off.
 
A trillion fucking dollar expedition with two key members of the richest corporation, spending four plus years in the middle of nowhere, and you bring along idiots, yahoos, stoners, and unstable robots. Argh.

Think more like Weyland corp.

It wasn't for "science" they went. It was all about EGO. They needed a few lackeys that no one would miss to experiment on...

I also got the impression that this was literally the 1st intelligent life they had encountered so far, and to top it off supposedly our creators.

The biologist had his entire worldview of darwinism shattered, then saw what he thought was a "safe" lower life form so in his mind thought it would be ok to play with it. Curiosity kills the cat.
 
What amazes me is how some people think that just because you have a PHD you no longer make bad decisions or do stupid shit under stressful situations.
 
I'm not buying the "in the future, we're all stupid" argument. Ripley would have run circles around the entire crew and she was less trained than any of them.
 
I'm not buying the "in the future, we're all stupid" argument. Ripley would have run circles around the entire crew and she was less trained than any of them.

Not everyone was stupid... Weyland's daughter was trying to stop them from bringing contaminated people on the ship. The captain acted rationally and knew what he had to do.

In Alien it is pretty clear that most of the crew are stupid truckers, and only the officers are actually educated.
 
What amazes me is how some people think that just because you have a PHD you no longer make bad decisions or do stupid shit under stressful situations.

The only part that really bugged me was Fifield and Millburn during the encounter with the snake. Making it particularly nonsensical is that they were all like "oh that shit is west? time to go east."
 
What amazes me is how some people think that just because you have a PHD you no longer make bad decisions or do stupid shit under stressful situations.
Haha this is true. Having met quite a few geologist, biologist, and chemist, I can tell you that most of them are no different from the average person except they just studied something different. And yes, I've heard stories of them getting high in the field.
 
What amazes me is how some people think that just because you have a PHD you no longer make bad decisions or do stupid shit under stressful situations.

I think its the fact that a team of PHD's make nothing but bad mistakes throughout an entire movie. Back to back. Remember, all of the problems with this horrible script is that its a constant flow of fucketry. Not just single incidents, but an entire film surrounding blithering morons who touch space aliens, and remove their masks on an unknown planet, with unknown everything.

Others just assume because its a trillion dollar expedition, that Weyland would go all out picking the crew. As that would be logical, but much like the rest of everything in the film, no one does anything logical.
 
Movie was basically tentacle hentai but on males.

Snail pace in the first half, then the snooze fest turns into clusterfuck rollercoster.

So cool looking ancient aliens didn't actually look cool but just sported swag suit? Meh.

Oh no, big guy woke up with left foot so he's angry and goes "fuck you humans".

Yo, gotta have zombie, we're not doing this shit without zombie.

Alien dongs, pussy is so 1979. In your mouth.

Alien ships must look like half eaten doughnuts, love doughnuts man.

Giant squid molesting tall nervous dude for finale sounded so good on paper I'm sure.

Best scenes: self operation(so painful) and Alien birth.

So yeah, no. Didn't buy me with this prequel. Better re-watch Alien.
 
Just saw it. Don't think it was by any means awful- beautiful sets, costumes and props, fantastic imagery, Fassbender and Elba were great, and the general idea of where we come from isn't itself terrible.

However
1) Why weren't they briefed before they went?
2) The ship landed right next to the doors which open up for the alien craft to take off. The doors were at most several metres thick- why wasn't this noticed at all by scanners?
3) It wasn't LV426- this means there is another part of the story which may or may not be made, which we don't know of yet?
4) Weyland being on the ship was pointless in how it was presented. Why hide it?
5)Why introduce Vickers as Weylands daughter? Weyland wasn't in the movie enough to make much of this.
6) Like #3, I'm assuming that because the alien and the facehuggers and pods are different than those in Aliens, there is another element of the story as yet untold?
 
How amazing would this film had been if the entire crew was comprised of scientists, engineers, researchers, and elite security? If it was also three times as large and arrives in three ships?

If the research team had some of the brightest minds in the world? Thorough and concise in the execution of their study whilst never overlooking a single detriment to the expedition.

If the security team was lead by a trio of professionals at an almost Batman-like level of aptitude and preparation? They set up a forward base at the pyramid and send probes to search each pyramid prior to allowing the scientists access.

Instead of one David, we have several - possibly older and newer models that exhibit varying differences in behavior.

And it isn't a movie, it is a 6 season television series.
 
Has anybody mentioned that one of the shitty-ass copilots in Prometheus is actually Trey from Sunshine? Getting demoted like a motherfucker since his last screw up.
 
Sunshine is great for the first 2/3. The last bit is kind of meh. Not horrible but it fell off a little, IMO.

Sunshine's 3rd act still makes more sense than Prometheus 2nd half though. Also the characters act like full-functional humans with their brains intact. Wish I can say the same thing about Prometheus crews.
 
I wish Prometheus actors had a better script to work with, some of these performances were amazing, but most of them didn't even get to develop. It would have been at Sunshine's level.
 
I wish Prometheus actors had a better script to work with, some of these performances were amazing, but most of them didn't even get to develop. It would have been at Sunshine's level.

Vickers should have been modeled more after Mace instead of random corporate lackey prototype #239. Hardass and tough but actually makes a lot of sense. The kind of character who stood by his words even when the unfortunate situation happens to himself. Also, not being seen as a villain but instead someone with different opinion from the rest of the crew. Opinion that if it had been followed might have saved them in the first place. What a missed opportunities.
 
Vickers should have been modeled more after Mace instead of corporate lackey prototype #239. Hardass and tough but actually makes a lot of sense. The kind of character who stood by his words even when the unfortunate situation happens to himself. Also, not being seen as a villain but instead someone with different opinion from the rest of the crew. Opinion that if it had been followed might have saved them in the first place. What a missed opportunities.

That is describing Mace, but also describing Ripley. Should have been easy for them to see.
 
I think its the fact that a team of PHD's make nothing but bad mistakes throughout an entire movie. Back to back. Remember, all of the problems with this horrible script is that its a constant flow of fucketry. Not just single incidents, but an entire film surrounding blithering morons who touch space aliens, and remove their masks on an unknown planet, with unknown everything.

Others just assume because its a trillion dollar expedition, that Weyland would go all out picking the crew. As that would be logical, but much like the rest of everything in the film, no one does anything logical.

I totally agree! Not to mention that these people didn't undergo procurement/evaluation that would have shown their inability to be the type of brave intellectual badasses that would have benefited the trip.

"Mr. Fifield, your psych eval shows that you are afraid of aliens and are prone to being lost even though you are proficient in tracking tech and are a geologist. Mr. Hoodie, I'm sorry but your psych eval shows that you have a recklessness when interacting with unknown specimens and never scan areas for microbial contamination... you are both perfect for this mission."

Haha, Weyland would have been better off just bringing like 20 Davids with him.
 
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