All the scenes I can find on youtube unfortunately. Or I would post Mace's sacrifice as well.
The fact of the matter is that the third act isn't the FUCKING AWFUL YUCK YUCK YUCK chapter that a lot of people make it out to be. Is it a somewhat jarring turn from the first two films? Absolutely. Is it a clear example of a movie becoming downright awful? Absolutely not.
That isn't what people disliked about the third act, though.
Pinbacker's
grown on me over time, but I do think the beats when he's
stalking the ship
leave a lot to be desired. One thing I've always loved about
Pinbacker
in the third act though was his introduction, both through the ominous "five crew members"/"unknown" from the ship's computer, and the striking visuals when he's first depicted drenched in fiery sunlight and sermonizing. One of the best parts of the movie.
All the scenes I can find on youtube unfortunately. Or I would post Mace's sacrifice as well.
The fact of the matter is that the third act isn't the FUCKING AWFUL YUCK YUCK YUCK chapter that a lot of people make it out to be. Is it a somewhat jarring turn from the first two films? Absolutely. Is it a clear example of a movie becoming downright awful? Absolutely not.
What I think I would have liked more is if Searle in studying Pinbacker's videos and becoming more and more obsessed with the sun, had become exactly like Pinbacker.
Just watched the Ted Talks video with Weyland.. It seems apparent that his goal was to become a god and that he'd created life in the form of androids, David being one of them. As far as I'm concerned the simple solution to why the remaining engineer killed everyone when woken up by David was that the creation was now the creator and had outgrown it's purpose. Weyland had become much too powerful and mankind had gotten too big for it's britches. That's the simple solution that seems to present itself. Not saying that's all there was to it, and that doesn't answer the question of why all the black goo in the temple, and what they were seemingly aiming to destroy.
Maybe this has already been long discussed, but here are a couple of images from the Weyland Industries website under Project Genesis. Basically, supposed to be more backstory behind Shaw and Holloway's research. Looks like they had more calculations behind how to get to the star system in question, and also some ideas regarding the space jockey's giant phallic symbol from Alien. I uploaded them here:
So, I just got back from Prometheus with my daughter (nine year old, I talked my seven year old out of seeing it). Right before the movie starts, I mention that there are some dumb characters in it. And Natalie mentions her pet peeve: when something is rolling toward someone and they turn and run in a straight line. We've seen a couple movies recently where that happened. It never ends well. Run sideways! she says.
So, yeah. She got a good laugh out of a certain character death. Been posted, but can't be posted enough:
That said, the more I see the film (three times now, which will do it for the theatrical run) the more I like it. Each time through I put some more pieces together - there are a lot more answers than I thought the first time through. Still bursting with stupidity, though.
But damn is this a gorgeous film. The entire ship launching sequence, from the time the Engineer wakes up to the captain ramming it, is just a virtuoso action sequence. There's a shot just as it's taking off with Shaw in the foreground, and the ship starts to rise behind her and the music ramps up and holy crap it's all so freaking awesome. Elba really nails his role, and his performance in the end is very well done; he clearly knows exactly what he needs to do right way, and struggles with accepting it for a few moments. The look in his eyes when he makes his decision gave me goosebumps.
How amazing would this film had been if the entire crew was comprised of scientists, engineers, researchers, and elite security? If it was also three times as large and arrives in three ships?
If the research team had some of the brightest minds in the world? Thorough and concise in the execution of their study whilst never overlooking a single detriment to the expedition.
If the security team was lead by a trio of professionals at an almost Batman-like level of aptitude and preparation? They set up a forward base at the pyramid and send probes to search each pyramid prior to allowing the scientists access.
Instead of one David, we have several - possibly older and newer models that exhibit varying differences in behavior.
And it isn't a movie, it is a 6 season television series.
That sounds great, doesn't sound like a Ridley Scott movie though.
The crew of the nostromo did some really dumb stuff, why is that never brought up?
People do dumb stuff. People confronted with thier entire exsistance being brought into question do really dumb stuff.
Most of the people on board where there to make money. Others where ready to do anything to discover the truth. Others where there in a power struggle to take over the largest corporation in the world.
David was tired of being a slave. Shaw just wanted the truth. Most of the crew was disposable... Like in every alien movie.
Weyland, who considered himself a god, wanted to meet the other gods. He ordered people to do stupid irrational things because he was crazy. He thought they would seem him as an equal, not as a pest, a bug to be crushed before moving onto more important things. He did not care about the intentions of the engineers, only what he could get from them.
We can really only speculate to the motivations of the engineers. Even though we share DNA, our culture and motivations are vastly different. Most everyone was operating under the (foolish) hope that the engineers were nice people that would great us as lost children, not a mistake to be corrected by the harshest punishment possible.
That sounds great, doesn't sound like a Ridley Scott movie though.
The crew of the nostromo did some really dumb stuff, why is that never brought up?
People do dumb stuff. People confronted with thier entire exsistance being brought into question do really dumb stuff.
Most of the people on board where there to make money. Others where ready to do anything to discover the truth. Others where there in a power struggle to take over the largest corporation in the world.
David was tired of being a slave. Shaw just wanted the truth. Most of the crew was disposable... Like in every alien movie.
Weyland, who considered himself a god, wanted to meet the other gods. He ordered people to do stupid irrational things because he was crazy. He thought they would seem him as an equal, not as a pest, a bug to be crushed before moving onto more important things. He did not care about the intentions of the engineers, only what he could get from them.
We can really only speculate to the motivations of the engineers. Even though we share DNA, our culture and motivations are vastly different. Most everyone was operating under the (foolish) hope that the engineers were nice people that would great us as lost children, not a mistake to be corrected by the harshest punishment possible.
This is just a note to people that keep bringing up the old movies, trying to justify the laundry list of stupid shallow characters & retarded choices in Prometheus.
You can't.
1. No one is saying that no movie ever, had a character do something stupid. So please, stop with the "buh buh nostro.." stop.
2. Prometheus is full of back to back stupidity. An entire movie full of head slapping fails. Alien, Aliens, and Lake Placid, aren't.
Just watched the Ted Talks video with Weyland.. It seems apparent that his goal was to become a god and that he'd created life in the form of androids, David being one of them. As far as I'm concerned the simple solution to why the remaining engineer killed everyone when woken up by David was that the creation was now the creator and had outgrown it's purpose. Weyland had become much too powerful and mankind had gotten too big for it's britches. That's the simple solution that seems to present itself. Not saying that's all there was to it, and that doesn't answer the question of why all the black goo in the temple, and what they were seemingly aiming to destroy.
Maybe this has already been long discussed, but here are a couple of images from the Weyland Industries website under Project Genesis. Basically, supposed to be more backstory behind Shaw and Holloway's research. Looks like they had more calculations behind how to get to the star system in question, and also some ideas regarding the space jockey's giant phallic symbol from Alien. I uploaded them here:
Why the xenomorph creation then? The tomb was a xenomorph-creation self-sacrificial chamber, the ship was presumably going to be loaded with the stuff too if not already loaded with it. They were gonna kill mankind 2000 years ago.
The way I see it, Lindelof was hired to "Lost-isize" Prometheus for marketing reasons. Scott and Fox must have seen him as someone who could make the story which had too few mysteries "fuzzier", so as to help viralize the marketing before and after the movie's release. They really wanted to specifically do like Lost, for marketing/profit reasons.
Just watched the Ted Talks video with Weyland.. It seems apparent that his goal was to become a god and that he'd created life in the form of androids, David being one of them. As far as I'm concerned the simple solution to why the remaining engineer killed everyone when woken up by David was that the creation was now the creator and had outgrown it's purpose.
Simplest answer is that David was told to tell the Engineer "Why we're here," in Wayland's own words. Wayland wanted the key to immortality. It was Roy Batty in Blade Runner walking up to Tyrell and saying "I want more life, fucker!" David tells the Engineer as much, maybe even as bluntly. Unlike Blade Runner, the tables are turned.
The creator turns on his creations for their insolence and their arrogance.
You can almost see it in his eyes when he strokes David's hair in the moments before the rampage. Like he's saying "You poor misguided creatures..."
Not the complete stuff but apparently whoever cut the Extended trailer for Sunshine had no restraint and pretty much included the entire movie in 4 minutes trailer. I just FForward it to the trailer version of the 3rd act:
All the scenes I can find on youtube unfortunately. Or I would post Mace's sacrifice as well.
The fact of the matter is that the third act isn't the FUCKING AWFUL YUCK YUCK YUCK chapter that a lot of people make it out to be. Is it a somewhat jarring turn from the first two films? Absolutely. Is it a clear example of a movie becoming downright awful? Absolutely not.
On topic, Prometheus got twice as good for me on rewatch. Character motivations that seemed arbitrary were actually telegraphed, and the reveal of Vickers as Weyland's daughter didn't seem like a completely pointless shyamalantwist.jpg... it really informed her character was well as Peter and David's. Part of Weyland's desperate attempt to get "immortality" from the Engineers was his reluctance to die and surrender power over the Company to Meredith, who he seems to have practically disowned based on him speaking of David as "the closest thing he has to a son". As though a daughter was never something he gave a shit about.
Also, anyone who claims a plothole that David somehow knew Shaw would be impregnated really weren't paying attention.
Yep, to me this was the most disappointing aspect of the movie. The space jockey in Alien was so iconic, distinctive and alien that it was disappointing to find they were basically cenobitesunder those helmets.
On topic, Prometheus got twice as good for me on rewatch. Character motivations that seemed arbitrary were actually telegraphed, and the reveal of Vickers as Weyland's daughter didn't seem like a completely pointless shyamalantwist.jpg... it really informed her character was well as Peter and David's. Part of Weyland's desperate attempt to get "immortality" from the Engineers was his reluctance to die and surrender power over the Company to Meredith, who he seems to have practically disowned based on him speaking of David as "the closest thing he has to a son". As though a daughter was never something he gave a shit about.
Also, anyone who claims a plothole that David somehow knew Shaw would be impregnated really weren't paying attention.
Wait, did anybody seriously think Vickers was NOT Weyland's daughter at any point in the movie?
WHen she goes to say "FATHER" I thought she was blowing him and then I was like "woah wtf daugher blowing father..." then she looks up and delivers the BOMB SHELL that ... everybody knew.
Wait, did anybody seriously think Vickers was NOT Weyland's daughter at any point in the movie?
WHen she goes to say "FATHER" I thought she was blowing him and then I was like "woah wtf daugher blowing father..." then she looks up and delivers the BOMB SHELL that ... everybody knew.
lol. I was just typing that... I mean its like he actually paid attention for the first time on second viewing. None of that was a shock. I was in a media blackout, so I just assumed she was his daughter since she was queen bitch for a moment.
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Didn't end up seeing it last night. Sorry I failed you..
Wait, did anybody seriously think Vickers was NOT Weyland's daughter at any point in the movie?
WHen she goes to say "FATHER" I thought she was blowing him and then I was like "woah wtf daugher blowing father..." then she looks up and delivers the BOMB SHELL that ... everybody knew.
I used the term "reveal" quite generously. Not only did people think it was completely obvious, they also felt that her being his daughter was pointless to the story. I was trying to say that upon watching the movie a second time, I disagreed with the last part.
lol. I was just typing that... I mean its like he actually paid attention for the first time on second viewing. None of that was a shock. I was in a media blackout, so I just assumed she was his daughter since she was queen bitch for a moment.
Again, my point wasn't that on my first watch it was a shock, and on my second watch I appreciated how shocking it was. On my first watch I thought it was predictable, but also rather inconsequential. Seeing it again changed my mind.
The reveal was really bad. I actually felt that if they didn't have the "...father!" line at the end, the scene would be much, much better. Their facial expressions and mannerisms said it all, and then it was ruined by that tacked on audience insert line.
The reveal was really bad. I actually felt that if they didn't have the "...father!" line at the end, the scene would be much, much better. Their facial expressions and mannerisms said it all, and then it was ruined by that tacked on audience insert line.
The reveal was really bad. I actually felt that if they didn't have the "...father!" line at the end, the scene would be much, much better. Their facial expressions and mannerisms said it all, and then it was ruined by that tacked on audience insert line.
I used the term "reveal" quite generously. Not only did people think it was completely obvious, they also felt that her being his daughter was pointless to the story. I was trying to say that upon watching the movie a second time, I disagreed with the last part.
I'm going to see it again tomorrow because I want to see more stupid shit and the visuals are cool.
I'd go one step further, not only was her being his daughter pointless, her entire character was pointless. She does nothing, she says nothing, she is nothing. She has sex with Stringer Bell, that's cool. She uses a flame thrower on the main dude. That's cool but useless he was effectively committing suicide bi-proxy. She dies in a meaningless way being crushed by a space ship after everyone else is dead. And while Charlize Theron is pretty she's not a draw anymore. It makes no sense. I love when the Scientists approach her and are like "wait do you have an AGENDA here?" Like, she's traveling millions of space miles into outer space, for what, for no reason? Didn't they question why this queen bitch would go out into outer space in the first place.
The reveal was really bad. I actually felt that if they didn't have the "...father!" line at the end, the scene would be much, much better. Their facial expressions and mannerisms said it all, and then it was ruined by that tacked on audience insert line.
I'm pretty sure this scene was shortened, Pearce and Theron mentioned it in their interview. Hopefully the scene could turn out better. probably not...
"Hi my name is...."
"OY, LOOK HERE YOU FUCKING SCUMBAG, DON'T FUCK WITH ME. I'VE BEEN SLEEP FOR 2 YEARS, I'M HERE TO FUCKING agaghGH MONEY...WOT u GUNA DO BOUT IT?!?!"
this directors cut, guys, its gunna make the movie so much better. They had to have takes with a lot more character interaction...
They were creating the 3d map as they were flying.
Maybe he was under the same impression too? Thats why he didn't have the little video monitor of the 3d map they were making with him. Probably left it at home.
They're mapping devices which also track life forms. You can see the virtual map building as they initially move. There is really zero excuse for them getting lost, it's nonsense.
Oh, although, I will say, I love that David loves TE Lawrence. Why does he love TE Lawrence? Well, we'll never know. The Robot angle is worked so weirdly, but I love TE Lawrence, so, it's cool.
They're mapping devices which also track life forms. You can see the virtual map building as they initially move. There is really zero excuse for them getting lost, it's nonsense.
"Hi my name is...."
"OY, LOOK HERE YOU FUCKING SCUMBAG, DON'T FUCK WITH ME. I'VE BEEN SLEEP FOR 2 YEARS, I'M HERE TO FUCKING agaghGH MONEY...WOT u GUNA DO BOUT IT?!?!"
Oh, although, I will say, I love that David loves TE Lawrence. Why does he love TE Lawrence? Well, we'll never know. The Robot angle is worked so weirdly, but I love TE Lawrence, so, it's cool.
Who knows but he also grooms. Robot is capable of being vain now? Also, love his attempt to smooth his hair. I laughed so hard when I saw that. Wish there's a GIF of that scene.
Oh, although, I will say, I love that David loves TE Lawrence. Why does he love TE Lawrence? Well, we'll never know. The Robot angle is worked so weirdly, but I love TE Lawrence, so, it's cool.
Oh, although, I will say, I love that David loves TE Lawrence. Why does he love TE Lawrence? Well, we'll never know. The Robot angle is worked so weirdly, but I love TE Lawrence, so, it's cool.
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