That created human life. The engineers were the creators of humanity, they were there surveying, I suppose. His DNA mixed in with the waters, which lead to the creation of life.
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That created human life. The engineers were the creators of humanity, they were there surveying, I suppose. His DNA mixed in with the waters, which lead to the creation of life.
DrForester
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I just got back from it. Visually, the film was spectacular and memorable. However, after the whole alien baby scene, the story turned into a nonsense gumbo. David was just doing things for no reason, no one seemed to care that Weyland was alive, it seemed like Weyland's cronies hated Shaw but kept her around for no reason etc. Also I don't get why Commander Shepard was such a jerk to David.
I will agree with this, it was really fun to look at the entire time.
I didn't get it either, but from this thread I've gathered that he was on earth, and his suicide resulted in the creation of single cell organisms, and eventually humanity.
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Maybe the first script was written up to the point where David infects the guy. It really is the moment where the movie becomes dumb.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think if you look at this movie as just a visual set-piece for 3d and wacky shit, and don't care too much for things like "character" or even "basic storytelling", you could have a hell of a time. Because man, the movie just looks INCREDIBLE. The sheer level of craft on display for the designs and the CG is amazing. And the 3D proves once again if you take talented visual artists like Cameron or Scott, and you film it with 3D in mind, it's most definitely a worthwhile venture, made for the biggest screen you could find.
Dumb as a sack of shit and a failure on pretty much every storytelling level, but is quite the feast for the eyes. Put that on the Blu-Ray when it comes out
Prometheus: "It's pretty!" - ViewtifulJC, NeoGAF
Dumb as a sack of shit and a failure on pretty much every storytelling level, but is quite the feast for the eyes. Put that on the Blu-Ray when it comes out
Prometheus: "It's pretty!" - ViewtifulJC, NeoGAF
So basically, David is just a very curious sociopath? He has no empathy for humans, and no respect for life. At the same time he wants to learn, and just thinks of it as a scientific experiment when he makes that guy drink the goo, or wants to force Shaw to go into stasis to preserve the alien baby?
That seems to be the only explanation for the character. The movie often implies that he knows more than the other characters, and that he has some nefarious ulterior plan. But in retrospect, he did not and could not have known anything more. He just did all that awful stuff because he thought it would be interesting.
If he's a sociopath though, it doesn't make sense that he would reach out to help Shaw in the final minutes of the film.
That seems to be the only explanation for the character. The movie often implies that he knows more than the other characters, and that he has some nefarious ulterior plan. But in retrospect, he did not and could not have known anything more. He just did all that awful stuff because he thought it would be interesting.
If he's a sociopath though, it doesn't make sense that he would reach out to help Shaw in the final minutes of the film.
Why did the geologist freak out even before getting to the door? Why did the geologist get lost? Why was the biologist playing with a freaky snake thing even though he was just scared a minute ago? Why did Shaw decide to work with the people who JUST tried to kill her? Why did David do half the shit that he did? Why did the Engineer just randomly go on a killing rampage? Why, why, why, why?
Because the writers wanted SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE and are hacks.
DrForester
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Leaving the answer of why they wanted to kill humanity a mystery for a sequel would have been a nice hook if that was it, but the film itself failed miserably as a stand alone story.
The Geologist. LOL.
The dude who maps rocks and caves, gets lost in one.
Once again, I don't actually mind this. I thought that was set up well enough where it doesn't need to be answer. Its just a question driving the characters. The extraterrestrial force or divine force that is compelling her to continue.
The dude who maps rocks and caves, gets lost in one.
Once again, I don't actually mind this. I thought that was set up well enough where it doesn't need to be answer. Its just a question driving the characters. The extraterrestrial force or divine force that is compelling her to continue.
Poindexter
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His survival depended on helping her.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Yea, that Goo did like 7 different things the entire movie. lol. That shit is op.
Elba woke up out of Cryosleep with his swag on maximum. He knew Vickers was down. I mean, look at his moronic crew. They stood zero chance.
Elba woke up out of Cryosleep with his swag on maximum. He knew Vickers was down. I mean, look at his moronic crew. They stood zero chance.
I thought for sure he was going to do a powerplay and try to get Weyland killed but nope. That whole speech about killing your parents was full of shit.
DrForester
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I didn't even realize it was Guy Pearce under the makup for Weyland, I assumed it was Fassbender under a ton of makeup the entire time...
But again, if that was the only question that would be fine, but there were unanswered questions that should have been addressed as they were part of this movies narrative.
But again, if that was the only question that would be fine, but there were unanswered questions that should have been addressed as they were part of this movies narrative.
Not directly, but I think when they were back in the ship and people started taking off their masks and she said something to the effect of "stop taking off your masks, we don't know if thats how he was infected!" and David knowingly replied right away "it wasn't", she had to know.
She is all cool with it of course and later helps him out without bringing up the topic even once.
Yep, I mentioned that in my first post I wrote after seeing the movie:
Atrocious writing.
Confidence Man
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David is probably the one thing that didn't really bother me. I saw him as fairly childlike and intrinsically obedient to Wayland. Wayland wanted him to find out what the goo did to humans, so David exposed Holloway. I imagine David told Wayland about Shaw's pregnancy, and acted on instructions to put her into stasis. Same with going off on his own to find the ship and turning off the video feed on Vickers. And once Wayland was dead he just reverted to his normal helpful state.
You can argue that his survival instinct supersedes his sociopathic impulses, yes. But you'd think that his survival instinct might make him understand that he's potentially gonna be fucked if he starts infecting the crew members with some kind of alien plague. There's really no guarantee that Charlie wouldn't have infected the entire crew, or that the stasis chamber would have prevented the alien from bursting out of Shaw's chest (if only he knew what happened to Newt!).
SCULLIBUNDO
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That is not what a Trilobite is!
Wwwhhaa? I don't know where you got that but a Trilobite is something completely different.
Can someone comment on my proposed new Xenomorph life cycle I posted back? I want to know if I got the gist of it or if there was something more to it that I didn't pick up.
Femmeworth
Banned
This has probably been addressed, by why do the engineers look so different from humans even though they share the same DNA?
Edit: D'oh! I forgot how genetics works.
Edit: D'oh! I forgot how genetics works.
outunderthestars
Banned
evolution?
The second half of the movie completely falls apart. Completely. The pregnancy sequence is the last good thing in the movie. The major problem of the movie is the lack of consequential response. Events seem to be written completely devoid of each other, a very weird problem, where it really seems we are watching two separate movies at the same time. The first is the Alien backstory and the second is a separate scifi thriller. Nothing ties together in a natural sequence.
outunderthestars
Banned
I like this summary. The entire film left me feeling an odd mixture of bored/confused.
Maybe different planet gravity affects their sizes. Humans probably adapted to Earth environments.
Also the life that was implanted on earth wasn't just humans or else it doesn't explain how we evolved from primates (or at least how our DNA is like 98% identical to theirs). Humans was probably an evolutionary step towards becoming the engineers the final goal and maybe given a few extra million years humans would've evolved to become the engineers.
This aspect of the science fiction in the movie was probably the most compelling but again.. the general plot had so much side bizzare crap happening that the core theme of the movie wasn't tight enough.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
I do wish they would have had her acknowledge David's treacherous behavior, at least for a brief moment, when she went back to get him. She honestly didn't have a choice in the matter, but Shaw didn't even bat an eye.
Everything after the Caesarian, from Fifeld zombie attack to Weyland's reveal, is just super sloppy and feels like it has been hacked to pieces in the editing room. Things just happen because the scenes have been cut together in a certain order. Cause and effect is diminished. I wonder whether this is the script, brutal editing, or both?
Absolutely, a lot of shit just shouldn't have been introduced at all.
But knowing the Space Jockey wanted to destroy humanity was enough. They didn't need to go into this Mass Effect bullshit or whatever reason. The answer is irrelevant to the question. Its basically asking why "Why God created man who to suffer" or some shit.
I said it in my first bit. I think the movie would have been better off with no space jockey, but rather playing up the angle of what they left behind. Some still chasing after God, others just trying to use what they left behind, and others attempting to fill their role. Very much the same situation that happened with the Space Jockeys, being played out with humans.
I had huge expectations going into this film as one of the biggest if not biggest Alien(s) fan.
T H E M O \/ I E:
Overall, Prometheus was not shot like any of the other Alien movies. And what I mean by that is the movies (1-4...I'm not like Sculli who don't admit the film doesn't exist--- however I wouldn't call 4 cannon) had an agenda behind each shot. Alien: You have the technology of the ship, the steady shots with crew members coming and going from them. The overall mechanical nature of the ship that you just "felt" as you watched it. Aliens: The Marines being the focal point (more to the point of the relationships between everyone) while Cameron hyper focused on Newt and Ripley which was a change from the first. Alien 3: Relationally focused on Ripley and her hardships through 1-2 with the despair of the planet Fury 161. Resurrection (for better or worse) was actually more about the Aliens themselves which ironically I found refreshing but alas, the overall story was just terrible.
Fast forward, rewind and put it on pause: Prometheus. Scott used technology very subtlety this time of which I have read multiple opinions of how if Prometheus was before Alien, why does the tech look better? Old and aging mining ship vs. Weyland's $1 Trillion dollar wet dream. I get it and I can accept it. What I found immersive about it was that it wasn't distracting and like the ship and tech in Alien, it was a character in the movie, but one that didn't loudly pronounce itself. Everything from the suits, weapons, buggy's etc. just seemed realistic. Nothing fancy, no "this is solar powered..." green bullshit or other agendas, just technology that was realistic and that made sense.
- T H E C H A R A C | E R S:
Rapace - Thought she did a good job. Filling the role of that akin to Ripley. Oddly enough, both had Aliens inside of them, she lived though... or did she?
Fassbender - Stole the show IMO. The guy did a great job of playing an Android... I'm sorry, Artificial Person. More on him later.
Theron - Did a good job and worthy addition to the cast. I could tell she was related to Weyland right after the hologram of Weyland introducing "David" as the son he never had. Obviously the blonde hair was another give away but I could tell there would be some good tension there and I was pleasantly surprised.
Elba - Token Black guy? Token black guy. Now there is no way to replace Mr. Kotto as Parker in the first Alien. I thought he did an OK job but nothing spectacular.
Pearce - The guy was average. After watching the TED Talk promo, I would've much rather seen a younger Weyland but alas, was not in the cards. If he had been younger I think it would've been a more interesting film with his involvement with the team from either on Earth or there with them.
Marshall-Green - Average.
Harris - Good comic relief. One of the worst deaths since there literally was no escaping that.
Spall - Again, good comic relief. Felt sorry for the tentacle down the gullet though.
Elliott - Average.
Wong - Having loved the guy in Sunshine and COUNTDOWN on the IT Crowd, it was hard to see him as anything else. Would've actually preferred to see a new comer to this role.
Dickie - All I could think of was Game of Thrones and her son sucking her boob. Thanks GoT and Time magazine. Performance was ok but not memorable.
Summary of the cast: There were only 3 characters that you should've cared about after seeing that movie. Rapace (as Shaw), Theron (Vickers) and Fassbender as David. That said, the dynamic between all 3 of those characters somewhat mimicked the 3 way relationship between Ripley, Dallas and Ash. Obviously different themes but you get the idea.
T |-| E P L O T:
This is where things get tricky. If you break down the movie, there are essentially 3 plots going on. I will try and not nerd out on them too long but from what I gathered, this is what I saw:
- Surface Plot - This is the A typical movie goer who looks at Prometheus and would explain it to a friend what it was about. The gist was a scientific discovery of ancient peoples all with a unique story telling of 5 stars. This ultimately lead to the team exploring the universe to find out what was at the end of the stars. Enter your scientist team w/ protection embarking on a discovery that may or may not give the answers to where we came from.
Good right? Onward.
- Sub-Plot #1 - This requires a bit of critical thinking and acceptance that this movie is in the same universe as the "Alien" movies (again 1-3 being cannon). Weyland industries (later to be known as Weyland-Yutani) first appears on the scene. Scientists are recruited to go and find out what it is that they discovered in the ancient mappings. The planet they land on is LV_223. The planet in Aliens is LV_426. To the Alien(s) buff, this obviously raises questions as to the distance between LV_223 and LV_426. When they arrive at the planet, the expectation that is had is that awful things are going to happen but you don't know what they could be. Ridley Scott did a terrific job here on adding in some Darwinism's on how the Alien creatures (apparently) evolve depending on species they interact with and exposure. Note that temperature, humidity, oxygen levels and terraforming are all central to what is going on in the universe regardless of the characters we're seeing. The "transmission" or "infection" nature was also an interesting take that was different from the "virus"/"host" paradigm we see in the other Alien movies. Also the information about having multiple ships leads to more questions about the "engineers" and if this was just a testing ground for weapons against different species.
I could spend more time on #1 but I'm going to move onto #2
- Sub-Plot #2 Fan service - Going into this film I knew Scott would leave the movie in the fans' hands with more questions than answers. This basically takes the aforementioned plots above and then takes it to the next level. David as the robot much like Ash in the first Alien movie has been given explicit instructions to find out any and all information at any cost to life. Weyland knows that anything David see's and/or experiences is recorded. With David infecting Dr. Holloway, we see the spread of just one of the "engineer" viruses that they have. The idea here is that if they have multiple ships, they have multiple alien races and viruses available to them of which the holograms throughout the movie point to the fact that they became overrun as they had (essentially) found the perfect killing organism. This of course moves us to acknowledging that the "engineers" are not from the LV_ planets (most likely) or more specifically, not from LV_223 or LV_426 that we know of. Again, Scott hates us right? I mean they could be from LV_223 because we only saw one section of the planet. Anyways. The interaction with David that the lone engineer had was interesting. When David began talking to him he immediately focused on him. Couple theories on this. 1) This showed that communication was possible with the engineers using their dialect albeit no human could do it and 2) the engineer could tell David was not human. The implications for this obviously that the engineers prior to that group on LV_223 being wiped out were going to set a course for Earth to destroy the human race because they had advanced to far. Two reasons and a little history; The tonal nature of the operating equipment indicates a more acute awareness of functionality over the normal mechanical nature of technology that we're used to. Secondly, if the engineers by design were similar in DNA (proven to be true at least in the film), then they much like the Egyptians of old would punish those who would try and overthrow them and grab power. Ironically Weyland came there looking for the secret to ever lasting life and what he found was actually a great deal more. At the root of this sub-plot, you have the carnal game of life vs. death within the universe of which is brought to a close with the ships crashing, the last engineer being facehuggered and an Alien popping out of him while Shaw and David go planet hoping.
T H E S C () R E:
The music I thought for the movie was good but I got annoyed by the cheesy dramatic riff that popped up several times throughout the movie. [You know exactly the one I'm talking about]. One of the things that I actually missed was the scenes where it was deathly silent for an uncomfortable amount of time as the tension rose. Looking beyond those two nit picks, I'd say the sound effects were top notch and delivered.
T H E \/ I S U A L S:
Ridley Scott's great return to Sci-Fi did not disappoint. The visuals in Prometheus were great. When you think about the "Alien" movie universe it really had a large colour palette that gave the movie that "pop" off the screen. My favorite scenes (of course) were in the pitch black areas but more importantly the mural on the wall that no one other than H.R. Geiger could've done showing the Alien in the middle. Talk about amazing detail.
Having seen the movie in 3D, it was as good if not better than Avatar using the 3D effects. Ridley Scott really did a great job of adding the 3D where it made sense and did not over do it. Throughout the movie there were times that you would forget that it was there because it really was seamless. TAKE NOTE OTHER DIRECTORS!!
T H E N E G A T | V E S:
Rather than go into detail since you should be fatigued by reading my post by now I will simply list them.
- Plot: David reading Shaw's dreams. This wasn't really fleshed out more and seemed odd.
- Character: Several of the crew seemed disposable from the get go. Detracted from the overall story
- Plot: Shaw's removal of the squid alien from her and no one giving a flipping shit about it as they attended to Weyland. W H A T T H E F ?
- Plot: Weyland traveling with them. This didn't make sense to me and like I mentioned earlier, would've liked to seen Guy Pierce younger as Weyland.
- Plot: David magically opening doors. Well, I get the whole learning languages and writings but for crying out loud, explain what the hell you're doing in context of the scene.
- Plot: The science of them studying things was trite. What I mean by this if you solely watched them enter the "Big head" room, they basically just kept opening doors and going. If we're supposed to believe that they are to take each little step and study they would've been getting air readings, soil samples and hell, taken one of the flower pots back but no... David does all of that for them.
- Plot: Fifield coming back as a super-zombie. Why? How? For what purpose? If anything, I would've rather seen him strung up and being held captive by something we hadn't seen yet.
- Plot: The ship Prometheus has NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND!?!?!?!? - I'm still scratching my head on this one. While I don't expect SULACO style gun turrets, I would expect SOMETHING. No, let's just ram the GD ship into the other one.
- Plot: Death from above. Apparently Vickers joystick was broken as she could only go up or down, not left or right.
- Movie: Overall, the deaths of people, I just didn't care. There was a missing connection that was found in the other Alien movies that I felt like Scott could've done a little more with to develop.
T H E \/ E R D I C T:
Overall, Prometheus from me gets a solid 3 *** stars out of 4 **** and is welcomed into the "Alien" universe cannon. Where does Scott go from here? Well, he's got to make me "A Brave New World" first and some other movies before we'll see him go back to this genre. So much of the hype was based around the "prequelness" of this movie all the while people stating that this wasn't a "prequel" per se. Where I find myself asking the tough questions of the movie is what did Scott cut (director's cut) that he thought wouldn't be relevant to the movie goer experience? I'm guessing there is some back story of which would help (assuming) in expanding the scope of Sub-plots #1 and #2 above. I do like how he gets to dabble in the universe again and ask some interesting and leading questions without totally being on the hook for the answers to them. Will Prometheus stand the test of time in the halls of Sci-Fi? I think so. If you haven't seen it, what the hell are you waiting for?
T H E M O \/ I E:
Overall, Prometheus was not shot like any of the other Alien movies. And what I mean by that is the movies (1-4...I'm not like Sculli who don't admit the film doesn't exist--- however I wouldn't call 4 cannon) had an agenda behind each shot. Alien: You have the technology of the ship, the steady shots with crew members coming and going from them. The overall mechanical nature of the ship that you just "felt" as you watched it. Aliens: The Marines being the focal point (more to the point of the relationships between everyone) while Cameron hyper focused on Newt and Ripley which was a change from the first. Alien 3: Relationally focused on Ripley and her hardships through 1-2 with the despair of the planet Fury 161. Resurrection (for better or worse) was actually more about the Aliens themselves which ironically I found refreshing but alas, the overall story was just terrible.
Fast forward, rewind and put it on pause: Prometheus. Scott used technology very subtlety this time of which I have read multiple opinions of how if Prometheus was before Alien, why does the tech look better? Old and aging mining ship vs. Weyland's $1 Trillion dollar wet dream. I get it and I can accept it. What I found immersive about it was that it wasn't distracting and like the ship and tech in Alien, it was a character in the movie, but one that didn't loudly pronounce itself. Everything from the suits, weapons, buggy's etc. just seemed realistic. Nothing fancy, no "this is solar powered..." green bullshit or other agendas, just technology that was realistic and that made sense.
- T H E C H A R A C | E R S:
Rapace - Thought she did a good job. Filling the role of that akin to Ripley. Oddly enough, both had Aliens inside of them, she lived though... or did she?
Fassbender - Stole the show IMO. The guy did a great job of playing an Android... I'm sorry, Artificial Person. More on him later.
Theron - Did a good job and worthy addition to the cast. I could tell she was related to Weyland right after the hologram of Weyland introducing "David" as the son he never had. Obviously the blonde hair was another give away but I could tell there would be some good tension there and I was pleasantly surprised.
Elba - Token Black guy? Token black guy. Now there is no way to replace Mr. Kotto as Parker in the first Alien. I thought he did an OK job but nothing spectacular.
Pearce - The guy was average. After watching the TED Talk promo, I would've much rather seen a younger Weyland but alas, was not in the cards. If he had been younger I think it would've been a more interesting film with his involvement with the team from either on Earth or there with them.
Marshall-Green - Average.
Harris - Good comic relief. One of the worst deaths since there literally was no escaping that.
Spall - Again, good comic relief. Felt sorry for the tentacle down the gullet though.
Elliott - Average.
Wong - Having loved the guy in Sunshine and COUNTDOWN on the IT Crowd, it was hard to see him as anything else. Would've actually preferred to see a new comer to this role.
Dickie - All I could think of was Game of Thrones and her son sucking her boob. Thanks GoT and Time magazine. Performance was ok but not memorable.
Summary of the cast: There were only 3 characters that you should've cared about after seeing that movie. Rapace (as Shaw), Theron (Vickers) and Fassbender as David. That said, the dynamic between all 3 of those characters somewhat mimicked the 3 way relationship between Ripley, Dallas and Ash. Obviously different themes but you get the idea.
T |-| E P L O T:
This is where things get tricky. If you break down the movie, there are essentially 3 plots going on. I will try and not nerd out on them too long but from what I gathered, this is what I saw:
- Surface Plot - This is the A typical movie goer who looks at Prometheus and would explain it to a friend what it was about. The gist was a scientific discovery of ancient peoples all with a unique story telling of 5 stars. This ultimately lead to the team exploring the universe to find out what was at the end of the stars. Enter your scientist team w/ protection embarking on a discovery that may or may not give the answers to where we came from.
Good right? Onward.
- Sub-Plot #1 - This requires a bit of critical thinking and acceptance that this movie is in the same universe as the "Alien" movies (again 1-3 being cannon). Weyland industries (later to be known as Weyland-Yutani) first appears on the scene. Scientists are recruited to go and find out what it is that they discovered in the ancient mappings. The planet they land on is LV_223. The planet in Aliens is LV_426. To the Alien(s) buff, this obviously raises questions as to the distance between LV_223 and LV_426. When they arrive at the planet, the expectation that is had is that awful things are going to happen but you don't know what they could be. Ridley Scott did a terrific job here on adding in some Darwinism's on how the Alien creatures (apparently) evolve depending on species they interact with and exposure. Note that temperature, humidity, oxygen levels and terraforming are all central to what is going on in the universe regardless of the characters we're seeing. The "transmission" or "infection" nature was also an interesting take that was different from the "virus"/"host" paradigm we see in the other Alien movies. Also the information about having multiple ships leads to more questions about the "engineers" and if this was just a testing ground for weapons against different species.
I could spend more time on #1 but I'm going to move onto #2
- Sub-Plot #2 Fan service - Going into this film I knew Scott would leave the movie in the fans' hands with more questions than answers. This basically takes the aforementioned plots above and then takes it to the next level. David as the robot much like Ash in the first Alien movie has been given explicit instructions to find out any and all information at any cost to life. Weyland knows that anything David see's and/or experiences is recorded. With David infecting Dr. Holloway, we see the spread of just one of the "engineer" viruses that they have. The idea here is that if they have multiple ships, they have multiple alien races and viruses available to them of which the holograms throughout the movie point to the fact that they became overrun as they had (essentially) found the perfect killing organism. This of course moves us to acknowledging that the "engineers" are not from the LV_ planets (most likely) or more specifically, not from LV_223 or LV_426 that we know of. Again, Scott hates us right? I mean they could be from LV_223 because we only saw one section of the planet. Anyways. The interaction with David that the lone engineer had was interesting. When David began talking to him he immediately focused on him. Couple theories on this. 1) This showed that communication was possible with the engineers using their dialect albeit no human could do it and 2) the engineer could tell David was not human. The implications for this obviously that the engineers prior to that group on LV_223 being wiped out were going to set a course for Earth to destroy the human race because they had advanced to far. Two reasons and a little history; The tonal nature of the operating equipment indicates a more acute awareness of functionality over the normal mechanical nature of technology that we're used to. Secondly, if the engineers by design were similar in DNA (proven to be true at least in the film), then they much like the Egyptians of old would punish those who would try and overthrow them and grab power. Ironically Weyland came there looking for the secret to ever lasting life and what he found was actually a great deal more. At the root of this sub-plot, you have the carnal game of life vs. death within the universe of which is brought to a close with the ships crashing, the last engineer being facehuggered and an Alien popping out of him while Shaw and David go planet hoping.
T H E S C () R E:
The music I thought for the movie was good but I got annoyed by the cheesy dramatic riff that popped up several times throughout the movie. [You know exactly the one I'm talking about]. One of the things that I actually missed was the scenes where it was deathly silent for an uncomfortable amount of time as the tension rose. Looking beyond those two nit picks, I'd say the sound effects were top notch and delivered.
T H E \/ I S U A L S:
Ridley Scott's great return to Sci-Fi did not disappoint. The visuals in Prometheus were great. When you think about the "Alien" movie universe it really had a large colour palette that gave the movie that "pop" off the screen. My favorite scenes (of course) were in the pitch black areas but more importantly the mural on the wall that no one other than H.R. Geiger could've done showing the Alien in the middle. Talk about amazing detail.
Having seen the movie in 3D, it was as good if not better than Avatar using the 3D effects. Ridley Scott really did a great job of adding the 3D where it made sense and did not over do it. Throughout the movie there were times that you would forget that it was there because it really was seamless. TAKE NOTE OTHER DIRECTORS!!
T H E N E G A T | V E S:
Rather than go into detail since you should be fatigued by reading my post by now I will simply list them.
- Plot: David reading Shaw's dreams. This wasn't really fleshed out more and seemed odd.
- Character: Several of the crew seemed disposable from the get go. Detracted from the overall story
- Plot: Shaw's removal of the squid alien from her and no one giving a flipping shit about it as they attended to Weyland. W H A T T H E F ?
- Plot: Weyland traveling with them. This didn't make sense to me and like I mentioned earlier, would've liked to seen Guy Pierce younger as Weyland.
- Plot: David magically opening doors. Well, I get the whole learning languages and writings but for crying out loud, explain what the hell you're doing in context of the scene.
- Plot: The science of them studying things was trite. What I mean by this if you solely watched them enter the "Big head" room, they basically just kept opening doors and going. If we're supposed to believe that they are to take each little step and study they would've been getting air readings, soil samples and hell, taken one of the flower pots back but no... David does all of that for them.
- Plot: Fifield coming back as a super-zombie. Why? How? For what purpose? If anything, I would've rather seen him strung up and being held captive by something we hadn't seen yet.
- Plot: The ship Prometheus has NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND!?!?!?!? - I'm still scratching my head on this one. While I don't expect SULACO style gun turrets, I would expect SOMETHING. No, let's just ram the GD ship into the other one.
- Plot: Death from above. Apparently Vickers joystick was broken as she could only go up or down, not left or right.
- Movie: Overall, the deaths of people, I just didn't care. There was a missing connection that was found in the other Alien movies that I felt like Scott could've done a little more with to develop.
T H E \/ E R D I C T:
Overall, Prometheus from me gets a solid 3 *** stars out of 4 **** and is welcomed into the "Alien" universe cannon. Where does Scott go from here? Well, he's got to make me "A Brave New World" first and some other movies before we'll see him go back to this genre. So much of the hype was based around the "prequelness" of this movie all the while people stating that this wasn't a "prequel" per se. Where I find myself asking the tough questions of the movie is what did Scott cut (director's cut) that he thought wouldn't be relevant to the movie goer experience? I'm guessing there is some back story of which would help (assuming) in expanding the scope of Sub-plots #1 and #2 above. I do like how he gets to dabble in the universe again and ask some interesting and leading questions without totally being on the hook for the answers to them. Will Prometheus stand the test of time in the halls of Sci-Fi? I think so. If you haven't seen it, what the hell are you waiting for?
Even as an Alien backstory it's not very good. Plenty of people have already theorized that the xenomorphs were some kind of biological weapon that got out of hand and overwhelmed the Space Jockeys. This confirms that, but doesn't tell us much of anything else.
I hate to keep reverting back to the Lindelof-bashing, but it really does remind me of Lost. One tiny question about the mythology gets answered while simultaneously twenty new questions are introduced and never addressed. This is not a bad way to plot out a weekly television show, but it's excruciating plotting for a series of films where there will be years in between each installment.
I know but...
That's from the official art book, so thats the official name for it.
I interpreted the opening scene in a different way than the creation angle. I actually thought it was them basically wiping out the then-human race. They came down and offered the stupid human an offering from the gods because this version was a failed experiment and they needed to start from scratch. David made the comment "sometimes in order to create you must first destroy" which made me think this was what they did. The humanoid in the opening scene didn't have the exoskeleton like the one in the end. Him drinking the biological weapon destroying him in the water would kill the rest of them and it would spread it much easier.
Maybe I'm off base though. The black sledge isn't a creation tool but a destruction tool.
Maybe I'm off base though. The black sledge isn't a creation tool but a destruction tool.
DoomGyver
Member
I'm a bit disappointed with it, I think its because I went in there expecting an Alien or Aliens movie. That was not an Alien movie. I enjoyed Prometheus about as much as I enjoyed AvP. It was a beautifully shot movie though. It was the first time I experienced IMAX 3D and I am impressed. And what a selfish cocksucker that woman is at the end. Wouldn't you go back to Earth to warn humanity? But no, go to these fucktwits home planet so you can get your fucking answer "I deserve to know!"
I also agree with the comment above, David is a troll.
I also agree with the comment above, David is a troll.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
If the ship is like all of the others, she literally can't go back home. If she does and that goo gets out, then it's game over for Earth. If the ship doesn't have the pods on them, then it still might not be the best course of action, considering what happened to Ripley in Aliens.
Wasn't that big a deal, really. She accepts to help him because he is the only one who can navigate the ship to space jockey home world. What is she supposed to do, have an argument with him?
Full Recovery: how was Shaw going to go him? She wasn't going to go home with the space jocky craft. Their home planet was her only possible destination, if she wanted to carry on.
...what?
Aliens derive their exoskeletal designs from the DNA of the host, not from the armor the host is wearing.
outunderthestars
Banned
Dumb question: How was she going to survive with no food or water?
Im not sure if you guys touched on this
but at the end on the movie after ALL the credits rolled
This popped up
http://www.weylandindustries.com/
with a date of
10.11.12
im not sure what this is suppose to be could it be that the movie was split in 2. Or maybe be the release date of the new Aliens Game ?
but at the end on the movie after ALL the credits rolled
This popped up
http://www.weylandindustries.com/
with a date of
10.11.12
im not sure what this is suppose to be could it be that the movie was split in 2. Or maybe be the release date of the new Aliens Game ?
That's my point. He wasn't wearing armor. The opening scene humanoid was similar but not the same. The one at the end was a genetically superior race.
outunderthestars
Banned
blu-ray/dvd release date?
tycoonheart
Member
Yep!
The movie was awesome, incredible even till that point. It played like a Ridley Scott movie. Then its a bunch of cheese and cliches.
Overall the movie was pretty darn entertaining though.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I dunno. Movie started showing its cracks when the geologist and his buddy randomly get scared and decide to walk back to the ship alone.
Did you really need them standing side by side to a human or other engineer in order to show that they're the fucking same? jesus man
outunderthestars
Banned
None of the scientists act very scientifically. I like how they all take off their helmets just because they can breathe the air, nevermind any sort of pathogens, etc. The geologist shows no interest in the rocks/cave, and the biologist wants to play with the creature he finds.
None of the character's actions make any sense.
tycoonheart
Member
Yep.
Remember, we see worms on the dirt the vases stood on. After the black goo oozes out, we see our first 'face hugger', presumably created from that worm.
Ether_Snake
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I enjoyed the movie from the start to the last five seconds, right before the Xenomorph showed up. It had its "errr... ok." moments, that I was willing to let slide. But at the very end, when I realized it was over, and this was it, it was like seeing my life flash before my eyes, except it was the whole movie, and a big WTF poped up in my head, and everything that was wrong with it came straight back to me. And now that is all I'm left with: visually irreproachable, but absolutely terrible script writing.
Well he's not helping her, he wants her to take the ship back to Earth so he can kill everyone. Since he is in a position of vulnerability with someone who is willing to just die, he decides to help her out, for now. Obviously he still has the intention of killing her and doing what he feels like as soon as he can again.
Still, DUMB.
Seriously, every scene in the movie puts into question every other previous scene.
The geologist and biologist leave before everyone else, yet with their high tech gear and scans and communication with Prometheus they get lost? But the ones that rushed out were fine and never crossed the other dudes? They seem to find their way around really fucking easily throughout the movie.
Why did the mohawk guy come back with his legs over his shoulders? lol
You'd think it would have been Weyland who would have had his head ripped off after smirking. Why was David happy? Faking it? Why?
I wonder why Scott couldn't see how bad the script was.
He says it wasn't an air infection, she asks how come he knows, he never answers.
Great they can go all James Cameron now and even tell us about the content of the food the crew eats. But a good script? Nah, let's explain how the toilets work in the Alien universe.
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