Europe has been Sonyland forever...has nothing to do with MS's recent policies or reversals.
PS4 and Xbox One France hardware sales.
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simplythebest
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Winning Australia is all that matters and it'll determine the worldwide winner this gen
#DYING @ this gem.
According to some people MS has been forcefeeding Australia with non-stop stocks. Which is why their console is never sold out right from the beginning at EB Games over here. MS knows that winning Australia >>> the rest of the world.
iamshadowlark
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The UK hasn't and I'd wager then initial reveal fiasco had a bit to do with their shift.
I don't think they're gonna be buying a bunch of exclusives anyways.
travisbickle
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How have Sony and MS sold the same (2 million) but Sony seem to have outsold MS in every market?
Am I missing something crucial?
Am I missing something crucial?
wow the British sure love their consoles. With a comparable population as France, more than double the sales in less time.
Nightengale
Member
Only way MS wins France back is launching an exclusive cuisine simulator that uses kinect.
With a special DLC pack which includes delicious oven baked snails with garlic butter.
I'm hungry now.
CadetMahoney
Member
Umm Sony already beat them for 2 generations quite handily and without sweat, I doubt this gen will provide any opposition at all in Yurop. MS's marketshare will dwindle down quite significantly in every region.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The figures are misleading. Sony put more stock into the US and the UK because they know they're the only two markets MS excel in. Given a plentiful stock, France could have easily sold 250,000 or whatever stock Sony decided to release there.
Nah, historically we favour the cheaper product, always have done.
As for Black Friday, it's something Amazon and co have started doing as a marketing thing- it's not a shared cultural thing, just a shared business strategy by global companies.
Sword Of Doom
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MS smart in focusing on the large markets and the US being the largest where nobody can find a PS4. It's going for the xb1 from being a generally undesirable product to the mass market to MS spinning the numbers and saying shit like "fastest selling console" blah blah blah. All this has a positive impact on how casuals perceive the XB1
While the PS4 is handily beating Xbox One, I don't sees why anyone would think Microsoft isn't a competitor. It broke sales records in the UK and US before being overshadowed almost immediately by the PS4, that is no reason for Sony to get complacent.
I'll never understand the mindset that if you aren't in first place, you should give up and go home. According to that mindset, Microsoft should have given up with the Xbox, Sony in 2006, and Nintendo about 17 years ago. Business is littered with companies that ignored a tenacious competitor.
However, as for the posts suggesting that Europe doesn't matter because each individual territory is smaller than the US, anyone saying that at a MS Xbox strategy meeting is going to be laughed out of the room. It's a child's argument. This is a head-to-head fight between global companies, only attempting a win in the largest territory now while conceding everywhere else is a business model with no future and no safety net: Playstation survived getting trounced in the US because it had its European and Japanese businesses, plus the continual gradual support in developing markets. What's Xbox One's safety net when it's US marketshare shrinks?
What I don't understand is that smart businesses spread their risks, they don't consolidate them into one honking great vulnerable one just to be able to claim to the shareholders that they have a win in the US for the first Christmas. That's putting PR before a healthy product strategy. PS3 had a 60/40 lead over the 360 in Europe. Pissing away that hard-won 40%, gained almost entirely out of the mega-dominant PS2's marketshare, just seems silly to me, and has done since first seeing the Xbox One's US-focus. ESPN and American Football at the global reveal? Nice one.
While I think there will be a shift, at the moment both companies are selling through most of their shipments, so you can't say there is a shift. All we can read right now is that MS is sending most of their supply to the U.S. It's also pretty surprising that Sony has its stock spread out between a lot more countries than MS is and is still supplying more units to Euorpean countries.
Codeblew
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Yeah, I wouldn't really call marketing driven days cultural in America either. I avoid shopping in physical stores on those days. Not worth it.
Context?
SolidSnakex
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SCE Korea's president reacting to the support at the Korean PS4 launch.
iamshadowlark
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Im not really buying that MS is selling out in Europe though. It seems to regularly be available at alot of big retailers across the EU and the "they're pumping out more units" excuse doesn't really fly here
Shanks D Zoro
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The UK was SonyLand for two generations. It was just that the year difference and the huge gap in cost resulted in a lot of people switching to Xbox.
I had always thought that if both the PS3 and 360 had launched at the same time and around the same price then the PS3 would have won out.
With the PS4 out around the same time and cheaper people are returning home to the King.
travisbickle
Member
Come on man, the successor to the 360 is a desirable product. The problem is in a year or so when buyers choose the more practical (read:cheaper) upgrade.
The previous two gens it was, uk normally rolls which ever is cheaper. Ms thought it could get away with charging more than even the ps3. I think that had more to do with the sales so far than anything here.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What is this from?
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Whatever bro. Last month showed that when it matters and people cafe about the gifts they give, they'll get the Xbox One, the quality assured system that doesn't break.
Are you a serious poster or is this some sort of humorous shtick?
Also have you tried snail before? Seems slightly uncultured and ignorant to knock something before you've tried it. If you think about it, eating snails is just as arbitrary as eating prawns, chicken, squid, fish or any other once living thing.
Codeblew
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I do love squid, prawns, fish and chicken but the thought of eating snails kind of makes me gag a little. Perhaps I will try it one day after a few glasses of wine/whiskey. No way I will ever eat bull testicles though.
Like anything that's particularly unusual in texture or appeal, a good bit of flavouring, seasoning and cooking goes a long way. When you do have it, have it cooked (seared) and seasoned well, instead of closer to raw, and I think you'll find it quite palletable.
I'm not French mind, but I do like to experiment with foods.
I'm British, and the Xbox One seems just US-focused to me. I appreciate that the different EU countries all have different media landscapes that take time to unravel, but they've had plenty of time to get plans in place.
What is true is that launch numbers mean very, very little in the long run. Let's hope Sony doesn't get complacent and burn all that goodwill. Considering how the feature sets (and what were the most lauded features/games) of Xbox 360 and PS3 changed massively over time, this could be a really interesting generation, particularly with Nintendo on the ropes. With the WiiU failing, I expect to see MS suddenly start to include Nintendo in their charts again, so they can claim a massive increase in market share rather than a loss compared to just Sony
I think whether VR will shake things up or remain an expensive tech demo is anyone's guess at the moment too.
Live in your world, play in ours.
I'm British, and the Xbox One seems just US-focused to me. I appreciate that the different EU countries all have different media landscapes that take time to unravel, but they've had plenty of time to get plans in place.
What is true is that launch numbers mean very, very little in the long run. Let's hope Sony doesn't get complacent and burn all that goodwill. Considering how the feature sets (and what were the most lauded features/games) of Xbox 360 and PS3 changed massively over time, this could be a really interesting generation, particularly with Nintendo on the ropes. With the WiiU failing, I expect to see MS suddenly start to include Nintendo in their charts again, so they can claim a massive increase in market share rather than a loss compared to just Sony
I think whether VR will shake things up or remain an expensive tech demo is anyone's guess at the moment too.
One thing I haven't got is the whole 'OMG electronic TV guide on XBone!!!' thing - didn't the US have EPGs or teletext for on screen TV guides before?
By a colossal ~50k units against a competitor that was selling everything they could ship. Uh huh.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah I think so too. I also think those delays for rest of europe was a decision by MS to ensure they had enough supply for the US. Looking at these numbers compared to sales in the US, it's amazing how big a market the US is.
Psycho_Mantis
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Can I have a link?
It's wasn't sold out though. You could still buy day one editions until recently embarrassingly.
Lol.
The article actually provides a bit more info.
PS4: 100k (2 weeks). The phrasing suggest that it's a bit over that and might be similar to the Wii 2012 YTD (118k).
XB1: 50k (3 weeks). They mention "nearly half" so it's probably a bit over that.
Other figures are mentioned for the WiiU:
160k as of early July 2013
175k as of late November 2013
So, WiiU's first full year <<< Wii's worst year (~400k in 2012).
Well, December sales are missing, but I doubt it more than doubled its LTD number.
PS4: 100k (2 weeks). The phrasing suggest that it's a bit over that and might be similar to the Wii 2012 YTD (118k).
XB1: 50k (3 weeks). They mention "nearly half" so it's probably a bit over that.
Other figures are mentioned for the WiiU:
160k as of early July 2013
175k as of late November 2013
So, WiiU's first full year <<< Wii's worst year (~400k in 2012).
Well, December sales are missing, but I doubt it more than doubled its LTD number.
GoofsterStud
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Nearly generally means not quite in statistics.
Yeah well I don't know about mathematics
I'm just saying that the phrasing they used in french ("près de moitié moins") would imply slightly over 50% of PS4 sales. Had it been a sales difference >50% they would have put it differently.
Americanmushroom
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Lol, dude, there's more weird shit in your fast food burgers then in snails or whatever. Snails taste awesome and you are stupid. Why am i even reacting to thia obvious troll
The US already have a ton of stock that needs to be shifted first.