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PS4 Pro Benefits for 1080p TV Owners (general and game-specific)
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looks really good
General Lee
Member
For a supposed 4K console the extra 1 GB of slow memory isn't really good enough, it only allows the larger framebuffer. PS4 Pro is still stuck with textures meant for 1080p. Sony should've added more memory like Scorpio will. 4K sharpness will only make the low quality textures stand out more.
Native 1080p and a much more stable framerate.
The slow memory is meant for the OS.
It's 512megs and you can create a similar thread for the Scorpio if you want.
He's talking about the slow memory, which is 1GB DDR3.
PepperedHam
Member
Did DICE confirm this?
The BF1 patch is all I'm waiting for to decide whether I want this this year or not.
That memory isn't used for games.
amstradcpc
Member
It must be the MS marketing deal. I supposse we will know something the launch day.
McHuj
Member
Same here, I cancelled my preorder yesterday. But maybe BF1 info will pull me back in.
I'm surprised that there has been zero info on that at this point.
That's what I already said. Check a few posts higher.
Generic Power Ranger
Member
That's a shame. Has people actually tested this ? If it clocks down, there might still be a real world difference.
Cerny said this. They just turn the second GPU off and downclock the CPU. So basically it turns into an OG PS4.
Great post.
Yes, DF did. It clocks down to identical performance (within +/- 1%) in unpatched games.
OfTheOverflow
Member
Can anyone confirm that the Share recordings are definitely now capable of 1080p/60fps? If so that's a huge boon for me, but last I heard it was 1080 @ 30fps?
psychotron
Member
Thank you for this thread. I'm really excited for the Pro. Supersampling and a more solid frame rate is huge to me.
That probably was a misinterpretation. The recording still runs at 30 fps, just in 1080p now instead of 720p. But you can stream to e.g. YouTube or use Share Play / Remote Play in 1080p at 60 fps now.
You "corrected" Garuda1One who rightfully said the PS4 Pro has 1 GB of additional RAM. He never said it was all open for game development.
That is intentional. Yes it does not give you the full benefits of what a beefy PC can do in 4K, but it still looks better than using a regular PS4. Also they wanted to keep the additional development costs for a Pro mode low, higher resolution textures don't come for free. And even if they were already made for a PC version, they would have an impact on BD space / download time.
PS4 Pro is all about compromise, it might not be for you, but they achieved something remarkable.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Rise of the Tomb Raider doesn't run at 60 fps on a regular PS4, does it? Neither does inFAMOUS I think? Or Nioh.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I think all three of those games have uncapped framerates and don't consistently run near 60fps. Maybe Nioh in the lower graphics mode. I remember infamous being around 30-40fps mostly, but would get close to 60 when light on action.
TR runs on 30fps. In inFamous you can choose between locked 30fps and unlocked above 30fps. Nioh comes with 4 different modes.
On a standard PS4, ROTR is locked 30fps, Infamous is 30 uncapped. Nioh, I just played the beta and it ran like ass on 2 different modes.
General Lee
Member
Yes, I'm aware. The added 1GB of DDR3 will allow the OS to allocate 512 MB of the faster GDDR5 for games to use mostly for the larger 4K frame buffer that takes a few hundred extra megabytes compared to a 1080p frame buffer depending on how it's constructed. What it won't allow though is the higher quality texture work more suitable for 4K.
I'm just questioning Sony's logic with doing this upgrade right now. It's not hitting the 4K target in most titles, or allow for 60 FPS, and it's not even benefiting non-patched games. At best it's 4K "ready", and even HDR is patched into the old consoles so that's not a selling point either. The only real point for PS4 Pro launching right now would be the extra power for PSVR, but even for that the lackluster CPU upgrade isn't fitting. As a whole PSVR and PS4 Pro don't seem compelling enough for mainstream, nor powerful enough for a high end offering. Both seem to be here before their time, and lacking in tech and software support. It's good that Sony's pushing for these things, but to me it seems like they just took a half-step too early.
I think it would've been better if Sony had waited for next year like MS. I have no interest in getting a Scorpio, but I do prefer MS's strategy with this upgrade. It makes a whole lot more sense as a truly higher end option, especially if they manage to bring improvements to old games without a separate patching process (which I feel there's a decent chance, but not guaranteed). I feel Sony dropped the ball with requiring devs to make specific 4K patches, and they probably milk some extra money from publishers to validate those patches. Otherwise they would've actually had to put in some effort into making sure the old games worked right with better specs, or at least make a toggle as an option for those games that do work. They chose the easy way that benefited them more than the potential customers.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Guess you won't be buying then. Wait for the next From Software game.
Infamous Second Son
Regular PS4, two modes:
- Framerate locked to 30, 1080p, sligthly better visuals
- Framerate uncapped over 30 fps (45?), 1080p
PRO, two modes.
- Framerate locked to 30, 1800p (1080p supersampled or 4k checkerboarding), better visuals
- Framerate 50/60 fps, 1080p native, visuals as regular PS4
Is this correct?
Regular PS4, two modes:
- Framerate locked to 30, 1080p, sligthly better visuals
- Framerate uncapped over 30 fps (45?), 1080p
PRO, two modes.
- Framerate locked to 30, 1800p (1080p supersampled or 4k checkerboarding), better visuals
- Framerate 50/60 fps, 1080p native, visuals as regular PS4
Is this correct?
The good thing about Scorpio is, that it is absolutely free of any compromises. But that is just a result of it not existing yet, and us not knowing any hard facts about it. Wait a year and see what it really is, before you judge.
So Scorpio magically receives 4K textures without patches? Great stuff! XD
We don't know anything about how Scorpio will work with Xbox One games.
That said, I do wish Sony would add an expert option with warnings and yadda yadda that lets us play every old game with full upgraded CPU and GPU clockrate on Pro. Even better on a game by game basis, so keep the games where that won't work at deault without switching back and forth.
Wishmaster92
Member
Even in videos, tomb raider looks so good. Uncharted too.
Total Cereal
Member
So, here's a question: buy a PS4 Pro, or a ~$650 - $700 1080p PC?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Excellent topic OP, hopefully now we can just point to this topic when anyone has concerns about 1080p .
VincentMatts
Member
The fact that its this difficult to get ANY info on a BF1 patch (and this 2 fucking days before launch) is imo not a good sign
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Both, but spend more on the PC though. If you are asking which to get first I choose PS4 Pro.
General Lee
Member
I did not claim any sort of magic 4K textures without patches. If that's what you got from my post, go read it again. With new games or with separate patches, the 12 GB should allow for a decent amount of asset improvement. The non-patched default improvements would mostly be about more stable frame rates for games that really aren't stable 30/60 FPS at all on PS4 or One.
We don't know how Scorpio will work with current games, which I also adressed in my post. Yet we do know One S is already exhibiting a different performance profile. Granted it's not significant, but it's not identical either. In reality I don't see the more powerful hardware to cause significant issues with older games, and if there's a few edge cases, Sony could've dealt with them instead of dropping the PS4 Pro to PS4 performance levels and leave it at that. MS still out on this and we'll see how they handle it. Considering Scorpio is not just a doubled up One with higher clocks, they'll certainly have to handle things a bit differently. Sony's design was about minimum effort for compatibility, and Scorpio doesn't really follow that line of thinking.
wolfhunter777
Neo Member
good to know
DeliciousDoc
Member
Should probably mention that the slim also has 5gb wifi since you occasionally compare the pro to the slim.
I was almost convinced by this topic until I saw the price difference between slim and pro is bigger where I am (almost twice the price). The upcoming bundled ps4/software packages for Japanese games also use the slim rather than the pro so I think it is doubtful (and not really surprising) that Japanese games wont see much improvement from the pro if those are what you are after (ryu ga gotoku)
I was almost convinced by this topic until I saw the price difference between slim and pro is bigger where I am (almost twice the price). The upcoming bundled ps4/software packages for Japanese games also use the slim rather than the pro so I think it is doubtful (and not really surprising) that Japanese games wont see much improvement from the pro if those are what you are after (ryu ga gotoku)
I do remember this. Personally, I don't think this changes things. There are only 2 or 3 preloaded settings to chose from. I think console gamers would be far less thrilled if forced to grapple with the granularity of control over graphics that PC gamers have.
These preloaded choices are a happy medium.
It's almost like people aren't a hive mind and have different opinions
Humdinger
Member
Good thread, OP. Thank you.
As a 1080p owner, I went back and forth about whether to get a Pro in the first couple days after the announcement, because Sony wasn't saying much and the info was so sketchy. But now it seems very clear -- 1080p owners get substantial benefits. I got most of that info from GAF. Thanks for helping to put it all together.
As a 1080p owner, I went back and forth about whether to get a Pro in the first couple days after the announcement, because Sony wasn't saying much and the info was so sketchy. But now it seems very clear -- 1080p owners get substantial benefits. I got most of that info from GAF. Thanks for helping to put it all together.
YuriLowell
Member
I thought all games post PRO launch have to have a PRO mode.
Is this not the case?
Is this not the case?
noomi
Member
So I'm curious about the better video recording/sharing option.
1080p @ 30 or even 60fps will be a nice boost to what we currently have. I imagine the encoding software will be better as well.... hopefully.
I wonder if uploading straight to youtube from the console will give the 1080P option, or if we will need to extract to USB and then upload. Normally extracting to USB provides a better image quality for the video....
1080p @ 30 or even 60fps will be a nice boost to what we currently have. I imagine the encoding software will be better as well.... hopefully.
I wonder if uploading straight to youtube from the console will give the 1080P option, or if we will need to extract to USB and then upload. Normally extracting to USB provides a better image quality for the video....
Yep. all the different available settings on PC made sense since everyone has different systems running all over the place.
We just have ps og and ps4 pro. 4k or 1080. Not too many variables
AppleSeason
Member
So no 60 fps in most games and mostly additional effects / improvements...
Well, that pretty much settles it for me. I was on the fence about selling my original model and getting a Pro later on 2017, but if things are going to be like this I will keep mine for exclusive titles and go back to PC gaming for the rest.
Well, that pretty much settles it for me. I was on the fence about selling my original model and getting a Pro later on 2017, but if things are going to be like this I will keep mine for exclusive titles and go back to PC gaming for the rest.
I don't think this is correct. They never mentioned 60fps just 1080p.
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultimate-faq/
YuriLowell
Member
Yup seems like a serious misstep by Sony.
I will hold out to see what Microsoft offers with the scorpio.
You guys Sony just makes the hardware, devs decide what to do with it. Don't expect a new era of 60fps games with Scorpio either
DarknessTear
Banned
If I have a 4k TV is 1080p with super sampling still a better choice visually?