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[Mibu no ookami]

Steam deck plays pc versions that are designed to be scalable.

How do you think PS5 Pro enhances games that aren't patched?

MLiD as a source? Wow...

You mean the guy who leaked the PS5 Pro? Yeah... he's a source.

Handheld won't have 1:1 level of PS5 power in 2026/7/8. And without that this piece of hardware will need to have special builds of games designed for it (like series S).

It doesn't need to have 1:1 level of power with the PS5. There are several approaches you can do here. You can have it play PS4 games natively and require PS5 games to be patched and built custom like the Series S and it'll give you the vast majority of PS5 games anyways. You could potentially also go for similar architecture with a flag for lower resolution and run the exact same games at 1080p and 720p without having to patch them at all. MLID claims that the PS5 has baked in flags for lower resolution.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

40 million units? For what you were describing as basically Sony's version of the Sega Nomad?

PSP was worse and sold over 80 million units...

 

[m14]

A PS handheld that supports the same game package as the console will give Nintendo the scare of the century.

PS1 gave them one last century

Except for the small detail that Nintendo wipes the floor with Sony in terms of first party games.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Except for the small detail that Nintendo wipes the floor with Sony in terms of first party games.

Wouldn’t say wipes the floor

They’re clearly the best of the lot, but Sony’s Asobi, Naughty Dog and Santa Monica aren’t far behind either.

The latter two are far ahead of any of the other American studios anyway, put it that way.

 

[Bojji]

How do you think PS5 Pro enhances games that aren't patched?



You mean the guy who leaked the PS5 Pro? Yeah... he's a source.



It doesn't need to have 1:1 level of power with the PS5. There are several approaches you can do here. You can have it play PS4 games natively and require PS5 games to be patched and built custom like the Series S and it'll give you the vast majority of PS5 games anyways. You could potentially also go for similar architecture with a flag for lower resolution and run the exact same games at 1080p and 720p without having to patch them at all. MLID claims that the PS5 has baked in flags for lower resolution.

HeisenbergFX4 is a major source of Pro info. Youtuber got some documents from developers, rest of his videos about Pro were mostly bullshit.

PS5 level of power handheld won't be possible, games will also not automatically run on it. Games will have to be developed with it in mind.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

PSP was worse and sold over 80 million units...

PSP had an incredible library exclusive to the handheld.

Also despite selling 80 million units, according to you that should have hurt Nintendo but the DS sold almost twice as many units as the GBA. They weren't fighting over the same market then and aren't now.

 

[Woopah]

At the end of the day Sony doesn't need to defeat Nintendo in the handheld space. Taking away market share alone bolsters the PlayStation platform while diminishing the Switch 2.

Let's assume the TAM for the handheld space here (ignoring PC) is 150 million and let's also assume this doesn't grow by Sony's inclusion in the market even if we know it probably will as the customers are not necessarily the same.

How many units would Sony need to sell in say Japan in order to convince Square Enix that Dragon Quest should be built around PlayStation?

Let's say PS Handheld sells 40 million units bringing the Switch 2 down to 110 million units.

That's 40 million on top of the what 120 million the PS5 is going to sell... that's 160 million to 110 million...

This is back of the napkin math, but hopefully, that illustrates why the PlayStation handheld is important. Even taking 25% of the market share would drastically change the calculus on games ever being exclusive on Switch 2.

The reality is a bit more complex because every new PS Handheld sale isn't necessarily a new consumer. For example if I bought a PS handheld and I already own a PS5, I'm just going to play the games I already have on it, but all in all you are probably looking at not only greater engagement, but more consumers. It's a big deal.

If Sony can get a good handle on performance and price, it'll be a problem for the Switch 2.

What kind of price are you expecting this handheld to be in Japan and how much do you expect it to sell there?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

PSP had an incredible library exclusive to the handheld.

Also despite selling 80 million units, according to you that should have hurt Nintendo but the DS sold almost twice as many units as the GBA. They weren't fighting over the same market then and aren't now.

PSP's library was not incredible. Even the best games were knock off iterations of existing PS2 games. For example Gran Turismo PSP was one of the best selling games on PSP, same with the two GTA games. People didn't buy them because they were exclusives, they bought them because they were console-like games on the go.

You think the market of then is the same today, it isn't. You'll never know how many unit the DS could have sold had there been no PSP.

The GBA was not on the market for long before the DS came out... It's pace was not dissimilar to the DS...

 

[SweetTooth]

Except for the small detail that Nintendo wipes the floor with Sony in terms of first party games.

Your opinion

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What kind of price are you expecting this handheld to be in Japan and how much do you expect it to sell there?

Way too early for serious predictions, but I would guess that it would be about 78,000 yen and I think it would sell at least 10-15 million units in Japan.

 

[m14]

Your opinion

Which also happens to be the opinion of the vast majority of people buying video games. You think the Switch is on course to become the best selling console of all time because of third party titles?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Which also happens to be the opinion of the vast majority of people buying video games. You think the Switch is on course to become the best selling console of all time because of third party titles?

Your opinion of “wipes the floor” was bollocks, both in terms of critical reception and sales.

Your bitterness towards Sony is borderline mental illness.

 

[SweetTooth]

Which also happens to be the opinion of the vast majority of people buying video games. You think the Switch is on course to become the best selling console of all time because of third party titles?

Nintendo tax, people tend to be less critical of companies targeting kids or man kids, and thats a huge market

 

[Skifi28]

Good times

 

[bender]

PSP's library was not incredible.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

 

[bender]

Inferior.

 

[m14]

Your opinion of “wipes the floor” was bollocks, both in terms of critical reception and sales.

Your bitterness towards Sony is borderline mental illness.

I was being quite generous with that description. Mario, Zelda, Pokemon... Nintendo are the gold standard of gaming. Even after over thirty years, PlayStation has nothing to compete with those IPs.
Nintendo Switch sells based largely on the strength of their properties, PS sells consoles based on third party titles. If you think otherwise, a look at the most played monthly titles should disabuse you of that notion.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

PSP's library was not incredible. Even the best games were knock off iterations of existing PS2 games. For example Gran Turismo PSP was one of the best selling games on PSP, same with the two GTA games. People didn't buy them because they were exclusives, they bought them because they were console-like games on the go.

Well I think it had an incredible library that spanned almost every genre but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If the "on the go" part is the most important then Steam Deck should be selling much more than the 4 million or whatever it's sold. Sega Nomad was an exclusiveless portable Genesis and it sold like 1 million units.

You think the market of then is the same today, it isn't. You'll never know how many unit the DS could have sold had there been no PSP.

One was centered around GTA and God of War, the other around Pokemon and Mario. Sony and Nintendo don't compete against each other, then or now. Sony will be competing against Steam Deck and other PC handhelds.

The GBA was not on the market for long before the DS came out... It's pace was not dissimilar to the DS...

DS still sold faster than GBA despite sharing the market with the PSP. Also sold much faster than the GB/GBC.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Well I think it had an incredible library that spanned almost every genre but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If the "on the go" part is the most important then Steam Deck should be selling much more than the 4 million or whatever it's sold.

The Steam Deck isn't selling more units, because it isn't a commercially promoted device. I've never seen a commercial for a Steam Deck nor have I ever seen one in person at retail. If you asked a non-gamer what a Steam Deck was, they'd have no idea.

One was centered around GTA and God of War, the other around Pokemon and Mario. Sony and Nintendo don't compete against each other, then or now. Sony will be competing against Steam Deck and other PC handhelds.

Everything competes against each other for time. In an age where more and more kids are playing games like Genshin Impact and Roblox a PlayStation handheld has a slim window of advantage over a Switch 2. Sony has to get their handheld out before games like those and Valorant, and Marvel Rivals are ported to Switch 2 (if they ever are). These games are extremely popular but are not available in a commercially viable product yet. The closest thing is actually cellphones.

DS still sold faster than GBA despite sharing the market with the PSP. Also sold much faster than the GB/GBC.

GBA sold 81 million units after releasing in 2001 and the DS came out in 2004. The DS sold 154 million units and the 3DS came out in 2011.

81 million units over 3 years is an average of 27 million per year. The DS averaged 22 million per year.

 

[Woopah]

Way too early for serious predictions, but I would guess that it would be about 78,000 yen and I think it would sell at least 10-15 million units in Japan.

I think that's high if it has that price and no new software (essentially a PS5 S).

I would put it 5-8 million but as you say its too early for a proper prediction.

Either way I don't think it will affect DQ as I don't think SE will make any game in that franchise exclusive any more.

Nintendo tax, people tend to be less critical of companies targeting kids or man kids, and thats a huge market

People pay for software if they find it worth the value. Games like Ring Fit and BOTW don't hold their price because they lack sex/blood/etc.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

The Steam Deck isn't selling more units, because it isn't a commercially promoted device. I've never seen a commercial for a Steam Deck nor have I ever seen one in person at retail. If you asked a non-gamer what a Steam Deck was, they'd have no idea.

Sounds like Steam Deck should have ran a few commercials if it means it'd sell 10x as many units. Steam has 130+ million active users. People are aware the Steam Deck exists.

Everything competes against each other for time. In an age where more and more kids are playing games like Genshin Impact and Roblox a PlayStation handheld has a slim window of advantage over a Switch 2. Sony has to get their handheld out before games like those and Valorant, and Marvel Rivals are ported to Switch 2 (if they ever are). These games are extremely popular but are not available in a commercially viable product yet. The closest thing is actually cellphones.

Sony doesn't have Nintendo games (and vice versa). Sony doesn't have games like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, etc. They target different markets.

GBA sold 81 million units after releasing in 2001 and the DS came out in 2004. The DS sold 154 million units and the 3DS came out in 2011.

81 million units over 3 years is an average of 27 million per year. The DS averaged 22 million per year.

Nintendo doesn't release consoles at the same time every year. If you break it down by release date, DS sold faster (despite spending it's entire lifespan against the 80 million unit PSP).

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Sounds like Steam Deck should have ran a few commercials if it means it'd sell 10x as many units. Steam has 130+ million active users. People are aware the Steam Deck exists.

A big fallacy is that PC gamers are equivalent to console/handheld gamers and we have never seen much evidence to suggest that is the case.

Does someone who prefers playing on a kb/m want to play their games on a steam deck? Does someone who spent money on a 4090 want to play their games on a steam deck? I do think you'd have more units sold if it had a larger marketing budget AND was readily available at retail AND had physical games (something it might need in order to be readily available at retail).

Sony doesn't have Nintendo games (and vice versa). Sony doesn't have games like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, etc. They target different markets.

Sony didn't have Astro Bot until last year. Sony didn't have much of a GaaS strategy until games like GT7, MLB The Show, and Helldivers 2... Sony has the capacity to enter new markets. Anyone who thinks otherwise, hasn't been paying attention to gaming the last 30 years.

Nintendo doesn't release consoles at the same time every year. If you break it down by release date, DS sold faster (despite spending it's entire lifespan against the 80 million unit PSP).

Give or take a month isn't going to change that DS was not faster than GBA...

 

[Alexios]

Nice, by $, guess next gen they could make a few thousands of diamond and gold plated PS6, costing, Idk, 0,5-1 million each, sell it to Elon Musk types and their buddies and have the most successful PlayStation ever, again.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think that's high if it has that price and no new software (essentially a PS5 S).

I would put it 5-8 million but as you say its too early for a proper prediction.

Either way I don't think it will affect DQ as I don't think SE will make any game in that franchise exclusive any more.

My point wasn't necessarily that it would be exclusive, but that it would be built around PlayStation as opposed to being built around the Switch 2.

Even 5-8 million units is a massive increase in the PlayStation family in Japan, but I do believe again early, but depending on capability including video out, I think the PS5 S would be more popular than the console as PlayStation handhelds were always more popular than the consoles in Japan. The Vita was a disaster and it even cleared 4 million in Japan.

The price is really a key factor though, but again early days, it also depends on the price of the Switch 2. I think again depending on capabilities, Sony can afford to be a bit more expensive than the Switch 2.

Timing is going to be a big factor for Sony's handheld as well. I think we'll start hearing more about it early next year, so we'll have a lot more to debate/discuss then.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

A big fallacy is that PC gamers are equivalent to console/handheld gamers and we have never seen much evidence to suggest that is the case.

Does someone who prefers playing on a kb/m want to play their games on a steam deck? Does someone who spent money on a 4090 want to play their games on a steam deck? I do think you'd have more units sold if it had a larger marketing budget AND was readily available at retail AND had physical games (something it might need in order to be readily available at retail).

If someone wants to play PS5 games they'd already have a PS5 by now. They aren't going to double dip and spend $1000+ to build their own Switch. Steam Deck struggles to move units because the only selling point is portability.

Sony didn't have Astro Bot until last year. Sony didn't have much of a GaaS strategy until games like GT7, MLB The Show, and Helldivers 2... Sony has the capacity to enter new markets. Anyone who thinks otherwise, hasn't been paying attention to gaming the last 30 years.

They have 1 Mario knockoff that sold a few million units. That's a long way away. Not the first time they've tried making Nintendo-like games.

Give or take a month isn't going to change that DS was not faster than GBA...

I did the math for you. DS was 67k per day vs 60k for GBA going by the first date each hit the market.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If someone wants to play PS5 games they'd already have a PS5 by now. They aren't going to double dip and spend $1000+ to build their own Switch. Steam Deck struggles to move units because the only selling point is portability.

Another fallacy. PS5 is outpacing PS4 everywhere but Europe and is very likely to sell more units than PS4 in its lifetime, so there are still clearly ~50 million people who are likely to buy PS5 that haven't yet.

I'm sure if I looked up the PS Portal against your username, I'll find you saying it'll bomb and honestly I wouldn't hold it against you, because I have no idea why people are buying it.

They have 1 Mario knockoff that sold a few million units. That's a long way away.

I did the math for you. DS was 67k per day vs 60k for GBA going by the first date each hit the market.

You have to start somewhere and yeah, that sounds like a massive difference... /s

 

[SweetTooth]

Nice, by $, guess next gen they could make a few thousands of diamond and gold plated PS6, costing, Idk, 0,5-1 million each, sell it to Elon Musk types and their buddies and have the most successful PlayStation ever, again.

Gonna cry?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I was being quite generous with that description. Mario, Zelda, Pokemon... Nintendo are the gold standard of gaming. Even after over thirty years, PlayStation has nothing to compete with those IPs.
Nintendo Switch sells based largely on the strength of their properties, PS sells consoles based on third party titles. If you think otherwise, a look at the most played monthly titles should disabuse you of that notion.

I guess stanning for Xbox is no longer viable so we must pivot to Nintendo.

PlayStation sells based on a collection of 1st and 3rd Party software, which is how they cemented their place as the home console brand, bitch-smackin' Nintendo in that sector enough to leave them trying something new (albeit successful, but still had to make a change). When we aren't so stuck in our bullshit to see what's really happening, we have a better idea of the overall scope of the market.

 

[Azelover]

Slightly undeserving but yes, good for them!

 

[m14]

I guess stanning for Xbox is no longer viable so we must pivot to Nintendo.

PlayStation sells based on a collection of 1st and 3rd Party software, which is how they cemented their place as the home console brand, bitch-smackin' Nintendo in that sector enough to leave them trying something new (albeit successful, but still had to make a change). When we aren't so stuck in our bullshit to see what's really happening, we have a better idea of the overall scope of the market.

Hard as it may be for you to believe, not everyone stans for corporations.

"the home console brand" - a strange claim when the Switch is well on its way to being the best selling console of all time. Nintendo can survive with just their first party games while Sony would be sunk without third parties.
I'd say the people stuck in their bs are those who insist the entire gaming world is obsessed with Sony's excluuuuuuusives, despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Hard as it may be for you to believe, not everyone stans for corporations.

But you do.

In any case, the Switch is on its way to being the best selling hybrid device. A traditional home console it is not and that's because they had trouble competing solely in said area (even with those "unsinkable" IPs). They capitalized on their biggest strength (handheld) and that's why the Switch is where it is.

 

[m14]

But you do.

An amusing allegation from someone so invested in defending Sony's honour.

In any case, the Switch is on its way to being the best selling device that is a hybrid. A traditional home console it is not and that's because they had trouble competing solely in said area. They capitalized on their biggest strength (handheld) and that's why the Switch is where it is.

Nintendo have proven time and again, unlike Sony, that they are innovators and that's their strength. Hence the runaway success of the Wii, DS and the Switch and why they are the gold standard of gaming.
The "hybrid" argument is a familiar one from your Sony bretheren but unlike the PS2, the Switch has sold as a pure gaming device. Sony also cared enough about Nintendo overtaking them that they magically discovered that they'd sold 5 million more PS2s than previously reported.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Another fallacy. PS5 is outpacing PS4 everywhere but Europe and is very likely to sell more units than PS4 in its lifetime, so there are still clearly ~50 million people who are likely to buy PS5 that haven't yet.

I'm sure if I looked up the PS Portal against your username, I'll find you saying it'll bomb and honestly I wouldn't hold it against you, because I have no idea why people are buying it.

I meant now being whenever the PS handheld comes out. 40 million people aren't waiting for a portable PS5. Btw these aren't "fallacies" lol.

I never made any prediction on the Portal and while it's apparently a success, it's still only at like 2 million units.

You have to start somewhere and yeah, that sounds like a massive difference... /s

They tried to make knockoffs of Smash and Mario Kart and both flopped.

Never said it was a massive difference, I just said it was faster because it was. PSP existing didn't hurt DS sales. And that was by far the best handheld competition they've ever had.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

An amusing allegation from someone so invested in defending Sony's honour.


Nintendo have proven time and again, unlike Sony, that they are innovators and that's their strength. Hence the runaway success of the Wii, DS and the Switch and why they are the gold standard of gaming.
The "hybrid" argument is a familiar one from your Sony bretheren but unlike the PS2, the Switch has sold as a pure gaming device. Sony also cared enough about Nintendo overtaking them that they magically discovered that they'd sold 5 million more PS2s than previously reported.

No "honor", just like to shut down people who don't know what they are talking about. You fit that bill.

Like I said though, you're only pivoting now because your favorite brand has fallen so far from anything relevant that even you can't defend it anymore. Notice how you are nowhere to be found in this thread while you're in a positive Sony topic hula dancing for Nintendo. You're as transparent as glass.

 

[m14]

No "honor", just like to shut down people who don't know what they are talking about. You fit that bill.

Like I said though, you're only pivoting now because your favorite brand has fallen so far from anything relevant that even you can defend it anymore.

Attacking someone's supposed allegiances rather than their actual points= shutting them down, apparently. It's ok, I'm sure the Kratos avatars will be along soon to give you some reassuring likes.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Attacking someone's supposed allegiances rather than their actual points= shutting them down, apparently. It's ok, I'm sure the Kratos avatars will be along soon to give you some reassuring likes.

I already tackled your usual bullshit. Present something that isn't wrapped in typical "I love Xbox, but it got its ass kicked so I'm suddenly a Nintendo boy".

Or, if you'd like, let's challenge your credibility.......again (without you trying to hide behind Nintendo). What happened to the supposed Xbox turnaround? Why did it just have the worst year in its history? Why are its games being ported to other console(s)?

 

[m14]

I already tackled your usual bullshit. Present something that isn't wrapped in typical "I love Xbox, but it got its ass kicked so I'm suddenly a Nintendo boy".

Or, if you'd like, let's challenge your credibility.......again (without you trying to hide behind Nintendo). What happened to the supposed Xbox turnaround? Why did it just have the worst year in its history? Why are its games being ported to other console(s)?

Ouch, Nintendo really is a sore spot for you. You didn't tackle anything, you just got upset and aggressive because I made the obvious point that Sony's IPs are not a patch on Nintendo's, after over thirty years in the gaming industry.

I'm not sure why you're asking me random questions about Xbox in this thread. Where have I positioned myself as an authority on Xbox?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Ouch, Nintendo really is a sore spot for you. You didn't tackle anything, you just got upset and aggressive because I made the obvious point that Sony's IPs are not a patch on Nintendo's, after over thirty years in the gaming industry.

I'm not sure why you're asking me random questions about Xbox in this thread. Where have I positioned myself as an authority on Xbox?

Right, I knew you'd avoid those questions and continue with this "waaaah, waaah you attacked me". The reason is simple — you're only in here to attack Sony, thus, I asked questions to see what you could present and instead am met with avoidances, excuses, and claims of being attacked all while you dodge the relevant material. Because, as proven, you have no other reason for being in here but to attack Sony and the subject matter was clearly a trigger point. "PS5 is already Sony's most successful console in $, per Circana". What do you jump in with? Some nonsense about the iPod/Walkman, "welcome to GAF" (when you know damn well you're in a topic about Sony, a company you have a documented history of trolling), and then but.....Nintendo..... Then act oblivious when you get the pushback you asked for.

Like I said, transparent as glass.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I meant now being whenever the PS handheld comes out. 40 million people aren't waiting for a portable PS5. Btw these aren't "fallacies" lol.

I never made any prediction on the Portal and while it's apparently a success, it's still only at like 2 million units.

I still don't see how you figure. The PSP came out 5 years after the PS2 and had shit games rather than equivalent games. It sold 80 million units on top of what the PS2 sold (best selling PlayStation of all time). Together they sold over 230 million units...

They tried to make knockoffs of Smash and Mario Kart and both flopped.

Never said it was a massive difference, I just said it was faster because it was. PSP existing didn't hurt DS sales. And that was by far the best handheld competition they've ever had.

Who is they? Think about that.

Naughty Dog made Crash X and that sold quite well. They farmed out PSABR to a no name dev. Not sure what other Kart game you're thinking of.

Again, we have no idea how much the DS would have sold without the PSP on the market. There was clear crossover in terms of games like Jump All Stars and naruto fighting games.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

I still don't see how you figure. The PSP came out 5 years after the PS2 and had shit games rather than equivalent games. It sold 80 million units on top of what the PS2 sold (best selling PlayStation of all time). Together they sold over 230 million units...

If it was just a portable PS2 it wouldn't have sold 80 million units. Just because you don't like the library, doesn't mean everyone else didn't. Definitely wasn't "shit".

The best comparison is the Sega Nomad which was a portable Genesis and only sold 1/30 the sales of the Genesis. If you have no exclusives, your system isn't going to sell.

Who is they? Think about that.

Naughty Dog made Crash X and that sold quite well. They farmed out PSABR to a no name dev. Not sure what other Kart game you're thinking of.

Modnation Racers and Playstation All Stars were published by Sony. Sony is good at making Sony games, not Nintendo games. They can't successfully emulate the entire Nintendo library because they've had one critically well received Mario clone lol.

Again, we have no idea how much the DS would have sold without the PSP on the market. There was clear crossover in terms of games like Jump All Stars and naruto fighting games.

DS is the 2nd highest selling system of all time.

Anyways, 40 million units for a digital only, handheld PS5 isn't going to happen.

 

[m14]

Right, I knew you'd avoid those questions and continue with this "waaaah, waaah you attacked me". The reason is simple — you're only in here to attack Sony, thus, I asked questions to see what you could present and instead am met with avoidances, excuses, and claims of being attacked all while you dodge the relevant material. Because, as proven, you have no other reason for being in here but to attack Sony and the subject matter was clearly a trigger point. "PS5 is already Sony's most successful console in $, per Circana". What do you jump in with? But.....Nintendo..... Then act oblivious when you get the pushback you asked for.

Like I said, transparent as glass.

There's a lot of projection going on here, simply because you can't tolerate any perceived criticism of Sony. You were emotional from your first post when you rather embarrassingly used the term "bitch-smackin' Nintendo."

I actually mentioned Nintendo only in response to an ill-informed poster claiming that Sony releasing a handheld "will give Nintendo the scare of the century." As if we haven't seen how Sony's attempts in the handheld market ended before...
So no, I didn't "jump in with" Nintendo. Other people brought them up and were duly called out.

What is the "relevant material" you speak of? You shrieking about Xbox because you didn't like my posts?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

There's a lot of projection going on here, simply because you can't tolerate any perceived criticism of Sony. You were emotional from your first post when you rather embarrassingly used the term "bitch-smackin' Nintendo."

I actually mentioned Nintendo only in response to an ill-informed poster claiming that Sony releasing a handheld "will give Nintendo the scare of the century." As if we haven't seen how Sony's attempts in the handheld market ended before...
So no, I didn't "jump in with" Nintendo. Other people brought them up and were duly called out.

What is the "relevant material" you speak of? You shrieking about Xbox because you didn't like my posts?

Plenty of actual criticism has happened because a good bit of people here present well laid arguments. You? The history speaks for itself.

In regards to the comment of being "scared", other users also responded to it. You only did because it was a positive comment that you didn't like and all of your subsequent replies reflect this. You talk about Sony's attempts in the handheld space being pointless. I threw in that Nintendo strength is mainly there, while Sony's is the traditional model. You again pivoted.

So, answer this, if it's pointless for Sony to try their hand again at a handheld, is it just as pointless for Nintendo to try theirs again at a console with no handheld component?

 

[Woopah]

My point wasn't necessarily that it would be exclusive, but that it would be built around PlayStation as opposed to being built around the Switch 2.

Even 5-8 million units is a massive increase in the PlayStation family in Japan, but I do believe again early, but depending on capability including video out, I think the PS5 S would be more popular than the console as PlayStation handhelds were always more popular than the consoles in Japan. The Vita was a disaster and it even cleared 4 million in Japan.

The price is really a key factor though, but again early days, it also depends on the price of the Switch 2. I think again depending on capabilities, Sony can afford to be a bit more expensive than the Switch 2.

Timing is going to be a big factor for Sony's handheld as well. I think we'll start hearing more about it early next year, so we'll have a lot more to debate/discuss then.

If DQ games come out for Nintendo and PlayStation anyway, does it really matter what they are built around? Even with a PS handheld and the game being built around thst PS5 S, Switch 1/2 are going to lead in terms of sales for DQ.

The other thing about from price and timing is software. PSP didn't sell particularly good until Monster Hunter came out, and with Wilds coming this year it's going to be a while before a MH launches on PS5 S (if it comes late next year).

We'll have to see what big PS games come in 2027, but as with every other detail it's too early to tell just yet

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

There's a lot of projection going on here, simply because you can't tolerate any perceived criticism of Sony. You were emotional from your first post when you rather embarrassingly used the term "bitch-smackin' Nintendo."

I actually mentioned Nintendo only in response to an ill-informed poster claiming that Sony releasing a handheld "will give Nintendo the scare of the century." As if we haven't seen how Sony's attempts in the handheld market ended before...
So no, I didn't "jump in with" Nintendo. Other people brought them up and were duly called out.

What is the "relevant material" you speak of? You shrieking about Xbox because you didn't like my posts?

Nintendo wont be worried nor should they but the PS handheld is coming

 

[m14]

Plenty of actual criticism has happened because plenty of people here present well laid arguments. You? The history speaks for itself.

In regards to comment of being "scared" other people also responded to it. They don't have your history, which is why they weren't called out by multiple people like you were. So, one has to ask, considering it's clear that you don't like Sony, why else are you in here?

I wasn't aware you'd been appointed the forum police, so who exactly are you to be asking why I (or anyone) is posting in a particular thread?

At the end of it all, you've done nothing to address the actual content of my posts. The idea that Sony re-entering the handheld gaming market will scare Nintendo is more wishful thinking.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I wasn't aware you'd been appointed the forum police, so who exactly are you to be asking why I (or anyone) is posting in a particular thread?

At the end of it all, you've done nothing to address the actual content of my posts. The idea that Sony re-entering the gaming market will scare Nintendo is more wishful thinking.

I have, you just love to skip the parts that challenge you and only respond to ones that make you feel "attacked". So, let's try this again...

If it's pointless for Sony to try their hand again at a handheld, is it just as pointless for Nintendo to try theirs again at a console with no handheld component?

 

[m14]

Plenty of actual criticism has happened because a good bit of people here present well laid arguments. You? The history speaks for itself.

In regards to the comment of being "scared", other users also responded to it. You only did because it was a positive comment that you didn't like and all of your subsequent replies reflect this. You talk about Sony's attempts in the handheld space being pointless. I threw in that Nintendo strength is mainly there, while Sony's is the traditional model. You again pivoted.

So, answer this, if it's pointless for Sony to try their hand again at a handheld, is it just as pointless for Nintendo to try theirs again at a console with no handheld component?

Sorry, I responded to your message before I saw the edit.

I don't think it is pointless for Sony to re-enter the handheld market, they had success with the PSP and a lot of people have been hoping for another since the Vita. But to suggest that Nintendo should be scared of such a move was over the top.

And I don't imagine anyone sees Nintendo making a more traditional console at this point, no.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Sorry, I responded to your message before I saw the edit.

I don't think it is pointless for Sony to re-enter the handheld market, they had success with the PSP and a lot of people have been hoping for another since the Vita. But to suggest that Nintendo should be scared of such a move was over the top.

And I don't imagine anyone sees Nintendo making a more traditional console at this point, no.

Fear was not the best verbiage, agreed, but Sony is definitely stepping back in that ring and I'm sure Nintendo will take note of it. Just as Sony would in the (unlikely) case that Nintendo returns to a traditional home console.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If DQ games come out for Nintendo and PlayStation anyway, does it really matter what they are built around? Even with a PS handheld and the game being built around thst PS5 S, Switch 1/2 are going to lead in terms of sales for DQ.

The other thing about from price and timing is software. PSP didn't sell particularly good until Monster Hunter came out, and with Wilds coming this year it's going to be a while before a MH launches on PS5 S (if it comes late next year).

We'll have to see what big PS games come in 2027, but as with every other detail it's too early to tell just yet

Somehow you're still not getting that individual games don't need to launch on a PlayStation handheld.