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[onQ123]

Right and critically this gens Sony output is inferior.
Minus Helldivers 2 1st party game sales aren't improving.


Previous posts. If that's not enough move along I'm done with this revolving repeating myself circle.

You haven't said anything that make sense.

The numbers prove you wrong

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Right and critically this gens Sony output is inferior.
Minus Helldivers 2 1st party game sales aren't improving.

No it’s not.

Horizon FW
Ratchet
Demons Souls
Returnal
Spider-Man 2
God of War Ragnarok
GT7
Astro Bot
HD2

All have some of the highest metacritic scores for the first 4 years ever

You have no argument on reception or sales

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No it’s not.

Horizon FW
Ratchet
Demons Souls
Returnal
Spider-Man 2
God of War Ragnarok
GT7
Astro Bot

All have some of the highest metacritic scores for the first 4 years ever

You have no argument on reception or sales

Yes it is. Also remove the PS4 games from the list.

You haven't said anything that make sense.

The numbers prove you wrong

That be you as quoted by me a few times.

 

[onQ123]

Yes it is. Also remove the PS4 games from the list.

That be you as quoted by me a few times.

Back up your claim with some data I just proved that you're just running your mouth.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Back up your claim with some data I just proved that you're just running your mouth.

I quoted the non sense making posts you made and explained to you multiple times.
We are done.

 

[onQ123]

I quoted the non sense making post you made and explained to you multiple times.
We are done.

You didn't

 

[adamsapple]

They're working on IP outside of their own, there requires conversations happening where either they went to Capcom or Capcom came to them and at the end of the day, Capcom said, yes we want PlayStation Productions to do this.

Sony has distributed 2 of the 4 animated RE movies, them working on films together is not new. Not to mention all the previous Anderson RE movies were also distributed by Sony's Screen Gems. Although the main producer is still Constantin Films, the one's who hold the movie rights and have produced the middling to terrible movies so far.

Your silly reference to the last Resident Evil movie makes no sense. It would be like saying Dune 1984 grossed 31 million at the box office that WB doing a Dune revival wasn't a big deal. Meanwhile the Dune 1 did 407 million worldwide and Dune 2 did 714 million worldwide.

The last RE movie came out 3 years ago, not like the ~30 year difference between the Dune films, and was produced by the same Constantin films producing the next one, plus it was distributed by Sony's Screen Gems production.

It's an appropriate comparison.

this effort is looking to be more of a direct adaptation

So was Welcome to Raccoon City, it's the only 'direct adaptation' of the RE movies so far, at least the closest one with named game characters, locations etc, instead of Anderson's own Alice wank-fest.

I get that some people want to live outside of reality, but my advice... just stop it...

Yes, some people definitely should.

 

[onQ123]

Sony has distributed 2 of the 4 animated RE movies, them working on films together is not new. Not to mention all the previous Anderson RE movies were also distributed by Sony's Screen Gems. Although the main producer is still Constantin Films, the one's who hold the movie rights and have produced the middling to terrible movies so far.



The last RE movie came out 3 years ago, not like the ~30 year difference between the Dune films, and was produced by the same Constantin films producing the next one, plus it was distributed by Sony's Screen Gems production.

It's an appropriate comparison.



So was Welcome to Raccoon City, it's the only 'direct adaptation' of the RE movies so far, at least the closest one with named game characters, locations etc, instead of Anderson's own Alice wank-fest.



Yes, some people definitely should.

I think the point he is getting at is that it's PlayStation Productions & not just a Sony movie.



Off topic: I think Sony is building assets that can be shared between Movies/shows & Videogames at some point so some of the work done today in movies & shows might show up in video games a few years from now.

 

[adamsapple]

I think the point he is getting at is that it's PlayStation Productions & not just a Sony movie.

I mean sure .. but Playstation Productions, which was designed specifically to make movies out of Sony's own gaming IP, now working on a third party IP ..

That's basically Sony Screen Gems with extra steps.

 

[onQ123]

I mean sure .. but Playstation Productions, which was designed specifically to make movies out of Sony's own gaming IP, now working on a third party IP ..

That's basically Sony Screen Gems with extra steps.

Or maybe they want to make a game out of the movie that's made from a game .

Like Street Fighter The Movie ( The Game)

 

[adamsapple]

Like Street Fighter The Movie ( The Game)

 

[onQ123]

The Arcade version isn't as bad as the home versions still not so good but it's a lot better than the console game.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think the point he is getting at is that it's PlayStation Productions & not just a Sony movie.



Off topic: I think Sony is building assets that can be shared between Movies/shows & Videogames at some point so some of the work done today in movies & shows might show up in video games a few years from now.

I mean sure .. but Playstation Productions, which was designed specifically to make movies out of Sony's own gaming IP, now working on a third party IP ..

That's basically Sony Screen Gems with extra steps.

It's crazy how long it takes people to get the point because they're so clouded by how they want to react first...


As I said off the bat, that Sony is working on IP that they don't own and bidding it to movie companies other than Sony Pictures is the bigger deal here.

It means they're likely to ramp up their tv and show production beyond the capacity of Sony Pictures and it's one element of Sony beyond the already very successful PS5 that is going to bring them in a ton of revenue here.

My point was that not only is the PS5 in really good shape, but SIE is doing a lot of things that will put it in a really strong position over the next 5 years or so and into the future.

 

[ProtoByte]

Good for Sony, I guess. But for the user, probably the worst generation of PlayStation

If a significant proportion of users in a successful gen come out of it thinking it sucked, it's a bad thing for the next gen and WILL make it harder to dig out of that hole. It's the same thing with a game series: If everyone buys a shitty entry, it poisons the well for the next.

I mean, this financial flexing is EXACTLY what Phil Spencer was doing last gen. "Xbox One is our most profitable generation by far", remember?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If a significant proportion of users in a successful gen come out of it thinking it sucked, it's a bad thing for the next gen and WILL make it harder to dig out of that hole. It's the same thing with a game series: If everyone buys a shitty entry, it poisons the well for the next.

I mean, this financial flexing is EXACTLY what Phil Spencer was doing last gen. "Xbox One is our most profitable generation by far", remember?

A general increase in cynicism online doesn't translate to reduce sales in the real world. If that were the case the much more expensive PS5 wouldn't be outpacing the PS4 before the biggest game of the generation drops.

You think people "upset" with the same games that are on PC are going to move to PC as an alternative when PC is more expensive? You're writing your own narrative. PC has been around all this time, and console TAM hasn't shrunk at all, it's still growing.

Xbox One sold fewer units than X360 and PS5 is going to sell more units than PS4, but somehow you think the two are analogous...

When the PS6 sells you'll just keep moving the goalposts again and say, it's only selling because it has no competition or something.

 

[adamsapple]

As I said off the bat, that Sony is working on IP that they don't own and bidding it to movie companies other than Sony Pictures is the bigger deal here.

It means they're likely to ramp up their tv and show production beyond the capacity of Sony Pictures and it's one element of Sony beyond the already very successful PS5 that is going to bring them in a ton of revenue here.

My point was that not only is the PS5 in really good shape, but SIE is doing a lot of things that will put it in a really strong position over the next 5 years or so and into the future.

This RE movie is also just as likely to be a flop like the last one, we can talk hypotheticals all day long

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This RE movie is also just as likely to be a flop like the last one, we can talk hypotheticals all day long

Again, it's not about Resident Evil.

It's about what it means for PlayStation Productions to be working on IP they don't own and putting out to bid to companies other than Sony Pictures.

It's a step in maturity that harbors massive increases in revenue in the future.

 

[adamsapple]

Again, it's not about Resident Evil.

It's about what it means for PlayStation Productions to be working on IP they don't own and putting out to bid to companies other than Sony Pictures.

It's a step in maturity that harbors massive increases in revenue in the future.

I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change what I said earlier either. From my understanding, and what was revealed, Playstation productions was created specifically to make movies out of Sony's owned IPs. The fact that they're pivoting to third party IP's this early means either they're out of ideas for internal IPs, or they don't have confidence in them anymore, hence they bid for a very well known / established IP.

The previous movies were all Sony productions as well, so it's basically shaking with the left hand or the right hand, they're both Sony productions one way or another, with a lot of cross-over.

That's my point.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change what I said earlier either. From my understanding, and what was revealed, Playstation productions was created specifically to make movies out of Sony's owned IPs. The fact that they're pivoting to third party IP's this early means either they're out of ideas for internal IPs, or they don't have confidence in them anymore, hence they bid for a very well known / established IP.

The previous movies were all Sony productions as well, so it's basically shaking with the left hand or the right hand, they're both Sony productions one way or another, with a lot of cross-over.

That's my point.

That's such a weird assessment by you.

It's like hiring someone to paint the exterior of your house, thinking they are doing a good job, and then saying you want them to paint the interior, but you spinning that as a bad thing.

Sony has plans for just about every major IP they own. You trying to paint expansion as a bad thing is on brand for you when it comes to Sony.

Uncharted 2 movie in the works
Gran Turismo movie highly ranked on Netflix
Until Dawn movie releasing in April
Day's Gone movie in the works
Ghost of Tsushima movie in the works
Ghost of Tsushima anime in the works
Gravity Rush movie in the works
TLOU Season 2 in April
Helldivers movie in the works
God of War tv show in the works
Horizon movie in the works
Twisted Metal Season 2 in the works

Please keep trying to push the narrative that they're failing and pivoting away as opposed to expanding.

 

[m14]

That's such a weird assessment by you.

It's like hiring someone to paint the exterior of your house, thinking they are doing a good job, and then saying you want them to paint the interior, but you spinning that as a bad thing.

Sony has plans for just about every major IP they own. You trying to paint expansion as a bad thing is on brand for you when it comes to Sony.

Uncharted 2 movie in the works
Gran Turismo movie highly ranked on Netflix
Until Dawn movie releasing in April
Day's Gone movie in the works
Ghost of Tsushima movie in the works
Ghost of Tsushima anime in the works
Gravity Rush movie in the works
TLOU Season 2 in April
Helldivers movie in the works
God of War tv show in the works
Horizon movie in the works
Twisted Metal Season 2 in the works

Please keep trying to push the narrative that they're failing and pivoting away as opposed to expanding.

No Concord series in the works then?

 

[adamsapple]

That's such a weird assessment by you.

It's like hiring someone to paint the exterior of your house, thinking they are doing a good job, and then saying you want them to paint the interior, but you spinning that as a bad thing.

This is more like me saying that the RE movies have always been Sony productions, whether it be Screen Gems before, or Playstation Productions now.

Sony has plans for just about every major IP they own. You trying to paint expansion as a bad thing is on brand for you when it comes to Sony.

Uncharted 2 movie in the works
Gran Turismo movie highly ranked on Netflix
Until Dawn movie releasing in April
Day's Gone movie in the works
Ghost of Tsushima movie in the works
Ghost of Tsushima anime in the works
Gravity Rush movie in the works
TLOU Season 2 in April
Helldivers movie in the works
God of War tv show in the works
Horizon movie in the works
Twisted Metal Season 2 in the works

Please keep trying to push the narrative that they're failing and pivoting away as opposed to expanding.

A lot of stuff is "in the works", where's that Metal Gear Solid movie we've been hearing about since the 2000's? What happened to the Horizon TV show?

The RE movie already has a director and it's going into a bidding war with Netflix and WB being the two top contenders, this is already much more than we know than 90% of the things you've listed.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is more like me saying that the RE movies have always been Sony productions, whether it be Screen Gems before, or Playstation Productions now.

You conflating Screen Gems with PlayStation Productions kind of says it all... Two completely different companies.

A lot of stuff is "in the works", where's that Metal Gear Solid movie we've been hearing about since the 2000's? What happened to the Horizon TV show?

What does the Metal Gear Solid movie have to do with PlayStation Productions?

The TV show was canceled because the showrunner was accused of abuse.

The RE movie already has a director and it's going into a bidding war with Netflix and WB being the two top contenders, this is already much more than we know than 90% of the things you've listed.

Is it because we know the company who owns 90% of that which is Sony Pictures, no bidding war needed and most of these projects have directors or showrunners attached. You literally just make shit up.

 

[Bojji]

Trust me the bubble is bursting... but it's not necessarily a good thing.

We're going to have a megaton event likely this year when Microsoft announces Halo on PS5. It will be a seismic change in gaming the likes of which we've never seen before, much bigger than Sonic ending up on Gamecube and PS2 or Bungie belonging to Sony or Crash/Spyro being owned by Microsoft. Larger than Square and Enix merging and larger than Microsoft buying ABK.

The day Halo is announced on PS5, will be the official end of the "console wars" and everyone intrinsically understands that.

That's when the bubble is going to burst, but we've already seen the ramifications of that. A lot of people will simply say gaming sucks now.

No one gives a shit about Halo anymore.

Also, console war between Sony - MS is pretty much over as well. We are left with Sony monopoly in this section of console audience (Nintendo has monopoly in more casual section).

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No one gives a shit about Halo anymore.

Also, console war between Sony - MS is pretty much over as well. We are left with Sony monopoly in this section of console audience (Nintendo has monopoly in more casual section).

It's not about whether people give a shit about halo or even buy halo on PS5. It's about the symbolism of the thing.

It's been effectively over for a while, but it'll be far more clear to people once this happens.

Once Sony has a monopoly in the console space, they'll expand to other spaces. You can already see them pushing to make more casual oriented games.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

No one gives a shit about Halo anymore.

Also, console war between Sony - MS is pretty much over as well. We are left with Sony monopoly in this section of console audience (Nintendo has monopoly in more casual section).

I think a great Halo would explode in popularity but also it would need to land on PS to have a great chance at thriving imo

 

[adamsapple]

What does the Metal Gear Solid movie have to do with PlayStation Productions?

That things being in the work doesn't mean anything unless they're in actual production.

Your staunch admiration and insistence that everything's gonna be great just because it's 'playstation productions' is a bit funny.

The TV show was canceled because the showrunner was accused of abuse.

Wrong.

Update: People with knowledge of the situation say that the status of the projects, including Horizon, is not linked to the recent reporting on Blackman.)

 

[Bojji]

It's not about whether people give a shit about halo or even buy halo on PS5. It's about the symbolism of the thing.

It's been effectively over for a while, but it'll be far more clear to people once this happens.

Once Sony has a monopoly in the console space, they'll expand to other spaces. You can already see them pushing to make more casual oriented games.

They can try to fight Nintendo with (rumored) handheld but they will most likely fail - like with Vita. Sony is not known for being able to support multiple platforms (Vita, VR1/VR2) and they can't even support one console right now.

Halo on PS is pretty much on par with Bungie being bought by Sony. Symbolism - yes, but nothing fucking happened (they only lost shit ton of money).

I think a great Halo would explode in popularity but also it would need to land on PS to have a great chance at thriving imo

Great Halo reboot done by competent developers could be something (in theory). Current Halo developers are probably not able to make game like this.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That things being in the work doesn't mean anything unless they're in actual production.

Your staunch admiration and insistence that everything's gonna be great just because it's 'playstation productions' is a bit funny.

I didn't say everything is going to be great just because it is PlayStation productions. Notice how you have entire conversations with yourself based on your own biases?

I said it's big news for Sony to be expanding the role of PlayStation Productions because it is going to mean more revenue opportunities. I never said any individual project was going to be successful.

Wrong.

Update: People with knowledge of the situation say that the status of the projects, including Horizon, is not linked to the recent reporting on Blackman.)

The people with knowledge seem to be very biased given the quoted statement, so it sound like his agent:

'Steve Blackman has a long, ongoing, and close working relationship with Netflix, and signed a new multi-year deal earlier this year. He continues to work on new projects as well as the launch of the fourth season of the Umbrella Academy. It is preposterous and irresponsible to even suggest that there could be any impact of false and absurd allegations against Steve on the status of these projects, in a year with historic writers' and actors' strikes and dozens and dozens of project cancellations.'

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Great Halo reboot done by competent developers could be something (in theory). Current Halo developers are probably not able to make game like this.

Totally agree it needs new blood working on it, that current team is trash

 

[nial]

and they can't even support one console right now.

Yes, they can.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yes, they can.

I have to remind myself not to engage these guys. They're not coming to discussions without significant biases.

A PlayStation handheld isn't going to have any different games than the PS4 and PS5. Fundamentally people know this, but he'll pretend like they'll be making their own games for it and fail to have enough support.

He'll also pretend as if Sony isn't winning/being nominated for GOTY year in and year out or putting out the best selling games on the market.

 

[adamsapple]

I didn't say everything is going to be great just because it is PlayStation productions. Notice how you have entire conversations with yourself based on your own biases?

No, you've only just compared this to Marvel Studios with just two middling movies, one that looks like trash (Until Dawn) and one good HBO produced show.

This is a massive turn of events compared to say Marvel Studios. It means that they can become a much bigger media center, especially if they get the reputation of being able to turn gaming properties into successful tv and movie series. Not only is the PS5 the most profitable product for Sony but PlayStation itself is going to turn into a powerhouse of revenue.

The people with knowledge seem to be very biased given the quoted statement, so it sound like his agent:

lol, ok.

Find me a source that directly links the cancellation of the show to it then.

Showrunners change in TV shows all the time, it doesn't mean the show will be canceled for sure. That's just you trying to rationalize it to yourself.

 

[Bojji]

I have to remind myself not to engage these guys. They're not coming to discussions without significant biases.

A PlayStation handheld isn't going to have any different games than the PS4 and PS5. Fundamentally people know this, but he'll pretend like they'll be making their own games for it and fail to have enough support.

He'll also pretend as if Sony isn't winning/being nominated for GOTY year in and year out or putting out the best selling games on the market.

Sony handheld would have to be in Series S power territory to get straight PS5 versions of games.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No, you've only just compared this to Marvel Studios with just two middling movies, one that looks like trash (Until Dawn) and one good HBO produced show.

This is a massive turn of events compared to say Marvel Studios. It means that they can become a much bigger media center, especially if they get the reputation of being able to turn gaming properties into successful tv and movie series. Not only is the PS5 the most profitable product for Sony but PlayStation itself is going to turn into a powerhouse of revenue.

You pretend like Marvel Studios has been successful with everything they touch. Ask people on this forum what they think about that.

What I'm saying again, try to actually listen is that PlayStation Productions is trying to do what Marvel Studios did for marvel comics but for video games, but what I think is more important here, is not just their own companies video games and not just for Sony Pictures.

You think Until Dawn looks like trash, but tell me more about your horror bonafides.

lol, ok.

Find me a source that directly links the cancellation of the show to it then.

Showrunners change in TV shows all the time, it doesn't mean the show will be canceled for sure. That's just you trying to rationalize it to yourself.

Initial reports were that both his projects were canceled and that it was because of his behavior. An unnamed source saying "It is preposterous and irresponsible to even suggest that there could be any impact of false and absurd allegations against Steve on the status of these projects, in a year with historic writers' and actors' strikes and dozens and dozens of project cancellations.'" Is clearly biased and someone in his camp. If you can't see that, it's because you don't want to see that.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Sony handheld would have to be in Series S power territory to get straight PS5 versions of games.

Go check out MLID for more details. Steam Deck came out in 2022 and is able to play most PS5 games. The idea that Sony won't be able to deliver a handheld that will play PS5 games in 2026 or 2027 is kind of laughable.

 

[adamsapple]

You think Until Dawn looks like trash, but tell me more about your horror bonafides.

Definitely not the Until Dawn movie, going by the trailer.

Seems like a lot more people agree with me than you

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-has-released-a-%E2%80%98first-look%E2%80%99-trailer-for-this-year%E2%80%99s-until-dawn-film.1679601/

Initial reports were that both his projects were canceled and that it was because of his behavior. An unnamed source saying "It is preposterous and irresponsible to even suggest that there could be any impact of false and absurd allegations against Steve on the status of these projects, in a year with historic writers' and actors' strikes and dozens and dozens of project cancellations.'" Is clearly biased and someone in his camp. If you can't see that, it's because you don't want to see that.

uh huh, only bias on this side, absolutely noooo biase on the other

So if the show and premise had potential, why didn't Netflix change the showrunner?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Go check out MLID for more details. Steam Deck came out in 2022 and is able to play most PS5 games. The idea that Sony won't be able to deliver a handheld that will play PS5 games in 2026 or 2027 is kind of laughable.

Yup, perfectly doable.

And if PS6 releases in 2028 then expect plenty of PS5 game development well into 2032.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Definitely not the Until Dawn movie, going by the trailer.

Seems like a lot more people agree with me than you

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-has-released-a-%E2%80%98first-look%E2%80%99-trailer-for-this-year%E2%80%99s-until-dawn-film.1679601/

You mean the youtube trailers with more likes than dislikes? Stop telling yourself that neogaf is representative.

How much do you think the movie will do at the box office? Can you be specific and go on record?

uh huh, only bias on this side, absolutely noooo biase on the other

So if the show and premise had potential, why didn't Netflix change the showrunner?

For both projects that were canceled? You think it's that simple? The other project is entirely unrelated to Sony, you're aware right?

Sony obviously thought the premise was still sound which is why they're moving forward with a movie.

 

[adamsapple]

You mean the youtube trailers with more likes than dislikes? Stop telling yourself that neogaf is representative.

I'm posting on neogaf right now, why wouldn't I say neogaf is representative of the consensus on neogaf?

Also, you want to talk about youtube likes and dislikes ... how'd this work out, again? Just a 6% dislike ratio, must have been an amazing movie, I bet.

How much do you think the movie will do at the box office? Can you be specific and go on record?

Considering its being made on a small budget, it's probably gonna do ok even at 60~70 million.

Still looks like a crappy movie tho, can't change that

For both projects that were canceled? You think it's that simple? The other project is entirely unrelated to Sony, you're aware right?

And? The same logic applies there, if the premise was interesting, Netflix wouldn't have ceased development on either.

Sony obviously thought the premise was still sound which is why they're moving forward with a movie.

Current day SIE force-feeding more Horizon to people? That's a shocking thing /s.

 

[Hypereides]

Honestly seems like some folks here get a higher rush off Sony's acclaim, and snort it like a line of fine cocaine, rather than what they get out of their games.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'm posting on neogaf right now, why wouldn't I say neogaf is representative of the consensus on neogaf?

Also, you want to talk about youtube likes and dislikes ... how'd this work out, again? Just a 6% dislike ratio, must have been an amazing movie, I bet.

Considering its being made on a small budget, it's probably gonna do ok even at 60~70 million.

Still looks like a crappy movie tho, can't change that

So I ask you to go on the record and you immediately fold and say it's actually going to do well... hilarious.

And? The same logic applies there, if the premise was interesting, Netflix wouldn't have ceased development on either.

Like I said, it's not that simple. Timeline completely changes. There's a reason why Sony is doing a Horizon movie instead of another tv show pitched to another network. TV shows take longer to develop and they need Horizon content as soon as possible to back the games they've already released and the games they are going to release.

Current day SIE force-feeding more Horizon to people? That's a shocking thing /s.

Horizon one of the most successful new franchises in gaming, is being checks notes... forced fed to people?

You're hilarious.

 

[PropellerEar]

Honestly seems like some folks here get a higher rush off Sony's acclaim, and snort it like a line of fine cocaine, rather than what they get out of their games.

GOTYs every year

 

[Hypereides]

GOTYs every year

In addition to my original post: ...and use their games as convenient "pieces" in their mongering.

GOTYs are overrated and I say this as a PS fan.

 

[adamsapple]

So I ask you to go on the record and you immediately fold and say it's actually going to do well... hilarious.

??

It looks like a crap movie, a lot of low budget horror movies end up making back their money because they're made on small budgets.

It looks like terrible, I'm commenting on the movie itself, not on Sony's stocks and finances, which is the only thing you seem to worry about.

Like I said, it's not that simple. Timeline completely changes. There's a reason why Sony is doing a Horizon movie instead of another tv show pitched to another network. TV shows take longer to develop and they need Horizon content as soon as possible to back the games they've already released and the games they are going to release.

A TV show is generally budget a lot more conservatively, even factoring in multiple episodes. The movie will probably be higher budget, take 2~ years or so to make. Horizon isn't a small enclosed thing like Until Dawn which can be made on 3 sets with physical props, it's gonna require a decent amount of VFX shots.

That is *if* it doesn't crash and burn in the first place.

Horizon one of the most successful new franchises in gaming, is being checks notes... forced fed to people?

You're hilarious.

Once again, I will refer you to the general discussions about the franchise on the site you're on.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/shuhei-yoshida-says-horizon-forbidden-west-didnt-sell-as-well-as-he-expected.1679705/#post-270016013

Look at the responses and you can see how people here feel about it.

 

[SweetTooth]

I have to remind myself not to engage these guys. They're not coming to discussions without significant biases.

A PlayStation handheld isn't going to have any different games than the PS4 and PS5. Fundamentally people know this, but he'll pretend like they'll be making their own games for it and fail to have enough support.

He'll also pretend as if Sony isn't winning/being nominated for GOTY year in and year out or putting out the best selling games on the market.

A PS handheld that supports the same game package as the console will give Nintendo the scare of the century.

PS1 gave them one last century

 

[Mibu no ookami]

A PS handheld that supports the same game package as the console will give Nintendo the scare of the century.

PS1 gave them one last century

At the end of the day Sony doesn't need to defeat Nintendo in the handheld space. Taking away market share alone bolsters the PlayStation platform while diminishing the Switch 2.

Let's assume the TAM for the handheld space here (ignoring PC) is 150 million and let's also assume this doesn't grow by Sony's inclusion in the market even if we know it probably will as the customers are not necessarily the same.

How many units would Sony need to sell in say Japan in order to convince Square Enix that Dragon Quest should be built around PlayStation?

Let's say PS Handheld sells 40 million units bringing the Switch 2 down to 110 million units.

That's 40 million on top of the what 120 million the PS5 is going to sell... that's 160 million to 110 million...

This is back of the napkin math, but hopefully, that illustrates why the PlayStation handheld is important. Even taking 25% of the market share would drastically change the calculus on games ever being exclusive on Switch 2.

The reality is a bit more complex because every new PS Handheld sale isn't necessarily a new consumer. For example if I bought a PS handheld and I already own a PS5, I'm just going to play the games I already have on it, but all in all you are probably looking at not only greater engagement, but more consumers. It's a big deal.

If Sony can get a good handle on performance and price, it'll be a problem for the Switch 2.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

I have to remind myself not to engage these guys. They're not coming to discussions without significant biases.

A PlayStation handheld isn't going to have any different games than the PS4 and PS5. Fundamentally people know this, but he'll pretend like they'll be making their own games for it and fail to have enough support.

He'll also pretend as if Sony isn't winning/being nominated for GOTY year in and year out or putting out the best selling games on the market.

Switch not part of the market?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Switch not part of the market?

I'm referring to AAA HD gaming. So, no.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

At the end of the day Sony doesn't need to defeat Nintendo in the handheld space. Taking away market share alone bolsters the PlayStation platform while diminishing the Switch 2.

Let's assume the TAM for the handheld space here (ignoring PC) is 150 million and let's also assume this doesn't grow by Sony's inclusion in the market even if we know it probably will as the customers are not necessarily the same.

How many units would Sony need to sell in say Japan in order to convince Square Enix that Dragon Quest should be built around PlayStation?

Let's say PS Handheld sells 40 million units bringing the Switch 2 down to 110 million units.

That's 40 million on top of the what 120 million the PS5 is going to sell... that's 160 million to 110 million...

This is back of the napkin math, but hopefully, that illustrates why the PlayStation handheld is important. Even taking 25% of the market share would drastically change the calculus on games ever being exclusive on Switch 2.

The reality is a bit more complex because every new PS Handheld sale isn't necessarily a new consumer. For example if I bought a PS handheld and I already own a PS5, I'm just going to play the games I already have on it, but all in all you are probably looking at not only greater engagement, but more consumers. It's a big deal.

If Sony can get a good handle on performance and price, it'll be a problem for the Switch 2.

40 million units? For what you were describing as basically Sony's version of the Sega Nomad?

 

[Bojji]

Go check out MLID for more details. Steam Deck came out in 2022 and is able to play most PS5 games. The idea that Sony won't be able to deliver a handheld that will play PS5 games in 2026 or 2027 is kind of laughable.

Steam deck plays pc versions that are designed to be scalable.

MLiD as a source? Wow...

Handheld won't have 1:1 level of PS5 power in 2026/7/8. And without that this piece of hardware will need to have special builds of games designed for it (like series S).