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PS5 Pro Pricing Discussion Thread
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AtomicStarving
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Wrong. £349 back in 2020 is £425 today.
ElFenomeno
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During the PS3 era, Xbox 360 was firing on all cylinders.
Nowadays, Xbox is shit and the future is kinda grim.
Nowadays, Xbox is shit and the future is kinda grim.
Euler007
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People with disposable income will dispose of it. Oh no, only adding 79k to seven figure retirement accounts instead of 80k this year (mostly unregistered because that caps out early in the year). The humanity! That would have been 8.1k when I'm 75!
John Wick
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I don't see the point of this thread?
It has no basis in reality and ignores the context of the real world right now.
This is a luxury product. Therefor your not required to buy it if it's too expensive.
Your going on about the PS4 Pro but you fail to mention that came out when the world wasn't crazy with price increases following a Pandemic like COVID. How come Sony and MS have to increase the price of their consoles???
How come a Mercedes I bought 5-6 years ago brand new that equivalent model is now £22000 more???
Nothing to do with arrogance but market realities. Sony have the PS5 for those who don't wish to pay. I don't see people crying
so much about how Nvidia charge for a 4090 compared to a 4060?DoubleClutch
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I just had a Thread closed.. it hosted this comparison:
Along with these questions:
Can "high end console gaming" ever be a thing?
Or should every machine within the Console realm be imperatively as affordable as possible to the masses?
Should the option of playing current generation games at 60fps with high resolution and pristine IQ, along with higher settings, remain an unattainable dream for every kind of individual willing to purchase a console, if it traslates into $699?
Apparently, the answer is no.
It’s the internet. Xbox One S is a joke despite being affordable, PS5 Pro is overpriced. You can’t please anyone.
If we had high end GPUs for $99, CPUs for $49, even then they would find some reason to complain.
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It has not much to do with arrogance imo, this is just an optional high-end upgrade product for enthusiasts, but with the fact that the era of cheap gaming hardware is done.
The fact that price drops aren't possible on years old devices and actually price increases are becoming common is pretty telling.
And it's not just Sony, the prices of PC GPUs are insane, you buy a high-end smartphone and it costs over 1000$, Microsoft wants to sell a 599$ XSX with a 2TB SSD and it's speculated they're basically going the super expensive gaming PC route with their next box. How cheap are the Steamdecks that people buy? How cheap are Apple products?
Nintendo is selling a Switch Oled at 300€, a product that was outdated in 2017.
You guys should be prepared to console prices shifting in the 500-900$ range in the next few years because that's what is happening.
The fact that price drops aren't possible on years old devices and actually price increases are becoming common is pretty telling.
And it's not just Sony, the prices of PC GPUs are insane, you buy a high-end smartphone and it costs over 1000$, Microsoft wants to sell a 599$ XSX with a 2TB SSD and it's speculated they're basically going the super expensive gaming PC route with their next box. How cheap are the Steamdecks that people buy? How cheap are Apple products?
Nintendo is selling a Switch Oled at 300€, a product that was outdated in 2017.
You guys should be prepared to console prices shifting in the 500-900$ range in the next few years because that's what is happening.
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Senua
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Sony fanboys working overtime! Even
Ass of Can Whooping
has noped out of this one lol
Ass of Can Whooping
has noped out of this one lol
Wolves hunt in packs
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Paying almost $1000 for a mid gen console is not fair imo, but to each his own.
XXL
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For what you're getting in comparison to a comparable PC is not bad at all.
PC has many advantages that consoles don't, but some people don't like playing games on PC and for those people specifically this is a good bank for your buck.
4K 60fps on a PC for current games will be pretty fucking expensive.
Don't fool yourselves.
PC has many advantages that consoles don't, but some people don't like playing games on PC and for those people specifically this is a good bank for your buck.
4K 60fps on a PC for current games will be pretty fucking expensive.
Don't fool yourselves.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
DeepEnigma
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I mean, when you look at $599 for 4+ year old system.... this seems a bargain.
(both are expensive)
(both are expensive)
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
5700x3d PC. What's the gpu?
Spooky Scary Skeleton
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Gotta hype it up somehow...
Math is hard, I know.
Sw0pDiller
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Please, tell us more. But please dont forget to compare your arguments with Sony and Nintendo
tkscz
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Not really. That price makes sense considering technology and the cost of silicon right now. We all knew a pro was coming and we know the type of people who will buy it. As for concord, game was in development for eight years, Sony really had a good feeling about the game. don't see that as a product that Sony thought people would buy just because their name was on it, otherwise I feel Astro Bot would've had more marketing than it does.
HogIsland
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all facts as far as i'm concerned. and the ps3 still ended in a pretty good place because each hardware revision made a big difference. both for customers and for profitability.
The PS4 was basically perfect, but it was a very safe design, and playstation studios became a bit safe with self-consciously big budget, "prestige tv" type games. This is in comparison to PS2 and PS3 where there was a lot more variation in styles, production scales, and regions of teams represented. During the PS4 generation, Playstation practically stopped making online games, apparently leaving the field open for 3rd party partnerships.
PS5 is trying to re-run the PS4 playbook, just with the PROFIT knob dialed up and the GAMES knob dialed down. Plus the live service emphasis.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
LOL Sony got absolutely raked over the coals for their PS3 pricing. Many people thought it was the sole reason they lost that generation to Microsoft.
Kacho
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Sony fanboys working overtime! Even
It's 800 EUR here in Germany, which is 880 USD. Not sure how much the average joe earns in the US, but in my federal state those 800 EUR is 40% of the average monthly net salary (after tax and social insurance contributions). Not sure how Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc. think about this "regional" pricing.
The launch PS5 (disc) had the same USD price as EUR, which was 500USD/EUR. I don't know why they thought it's okay to charge 100EUR/180USD more here now.
At the end of the day it's an enthusiast's hardware and Nvidia proved that people are willing to spend huge amounts of money on hardwar (if provided with no other option than to not spend).
The launch PS5 (disc) had the same USD price as EUR, which was 500USD/EUR. I don't know why they thought it's okay to charge 100EUR/180USD more here now.
At the end of the day it's an enthusiast's hardware and Nvidia proved that people are willing to spend huge amounts of money on hardwar (if provided with no other option than to not spend).
Tiago Rodrigues
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When you have graphic cards that cost over 1000 dollars ALONE i really don't see how a console that is aimed at the most enthusiastic crowd costing 700 dollars is "arrogant".
Also, hot take...calling Sony in 2006 "arrogant" when they released a console for 600 dollars that costed them 900 dollars to manufacture wasn't arrogant. It was just stupid for them.
Also, hot take...calling Sony in 2006 "arrogant" when they released a console for 600 dollars that costed them 900 dollars to manufacture wasn't arrogant. It was just stupid for them.
Hari Seldon
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I don't even care about the price, it is the fact that it basically adds no value and now I have to attach a dongle if I want it as a drop-in upgrade to my disk PS5. I was already done with console gaming after this gen. There is only so many 3rd person open world action games one can play in a lifetime.
Bond007
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Bingo for me on all except the games.
I'm satisfied with what they have done and leveraged with 3rd party this year. Thats also contingent on alot of announcements coming soon; cause if First party took a year- then i absolutely expect a strong 2025.
The Pro has been announced and all the cards are on the table before the holidays. Its time to see what all the heavy hitting devs got up their sleeves.
Digital only is the biggest hit.
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Trilobit
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So for someone who isn't really knowledgeable about specs, how big will the 45% difference be in reality between PS5 and Pro? What settings will it enable? 4K 60fps?
This is what scares me about Microsoft right now. The less competition there is the less innovation and effort we'll see from others.
This is what scares me about Microsoft right now. The less competition there is the less innovation and effort we'll see from others.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
was ps4 pro also competing with chips and inflation due to AI?
Why do we think the past resembles the current environment?
Syphon Filter
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StueyDuck
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Nintendo should have released that console 3 years ago already. They are releasing b-tier games, promoting an abundance of shite "cozy" games/farm games and mostly remasters and their eshop is an absolute mess. Let's not also mention how extremely litigious they are and how they treat anything in the most archaic way possible. We can't even stream their old soundtracks on Spotify
Just because Nintendo aren't as public facing or as criticized as others doesn't mean they are doing something great.
Put the console wars aside because without doing that we are never going to get the better environment we deserve
HeisenbergFX4
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Its also not a new generation, its a totally optional upgrade to still great console
Pasta la Vista
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Price isn't the issue for me. It's their output of games and the fact they showed nothing to compel me to upgrade.
John Wick
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The product price reflects the market and component realities. It's quite simple Sony have a product for people who don't want to fork out for the Pro. It's called PS5.
You should stop buying food and drinks due to the greed of those manufacturing the food.
TerribleAtThisGame
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MostlyPeaceful
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Let’s get the elephant out of the room first
Here’s how much inflation has happened since 2020 when Sony launched the PS5 at $399.99
And here’s what the equivalent of $699.99 would be in 2020
Sony launching the PS5 Pro for $699 in 2024 would be like launching a PS5 Digital Edition (with more storage mind you) in 2020 for $575.97
We’re talking about a console, which has the same CPU and RAM as the 4-year-old PS5, coming out FOUR YEARS LATER for $176 more dollars (2020 dollars).
Not to mention, the PS5 Pro is a significantly smaller hardware leap from the PS5 than the PS4 Pro was from PS4 - and as we all know both of those consoles launched for the same $399.99 - and yes, the PS4 Pro had double the storage as the launch PS4 (1TB up from 500GB)
I don’t want to hear about a chip shortage. That was primarily a 2020-2023 issue and has mostly been resolved by now. Most other tech/computer products have similar starting prices for their 2024 models that the 2020 models had.
iPhone 12 (2020 dollars) - $799.99
iPhone 16 (2020 dollars) - $658.25
iPhone 12 Pro (2020 dollars) - $999.99
iPhone 16 Pro (2020 dollars) - $822.82
I understand that those devices are higher-margin devices than consoles, but inflation applies to everyone - and Apple, just like every other tech company, has managed to keep prices broadly the same as they were 4 years ago (cheaper actually) when they could have easily taken advantage of “inflation” for even higher profits.
This console should have been $599.99 MAX given the fact that it comes with a 2TB SSD. $599.99 in 2020 dollars would have been $493.69, a bit more than what the PS5 DE launched at, which accounts for a higher amount of storage on the Pro.
To reiterate:
PS5 DE (2020 dollars) - $399.99
PS5 Pro DE (2020 dollars) - $575.97
PS5 Physical (2020 dollars) - $499.99
PS5 Pro Physical (2020 dollars) - $641.79
The PS5 Pro at $699 is simply a product of the lack of competition in the console market from Xbox, along with a decent dose of corporate greed from Sony.
There is no other explanation. None.
Here’s how much inflation has happened since 2020 when Sony launched the PS5 at $399.99
And here’s what the equivalent of $699.99 would be in 2020
Sony launching the PS5 Pro for $699 in 2024 would be like launching a PS5 Digital Edition (with more storage mind you) in 2020 for $575.97
We’re talking about a console, which has the same CPU and RAM as the 4-year-old PS5, coming out FOUR YEARS LATER for $176 more dollars (2020 dollars).
Not to mention, the PS5 Pro is a significantly smaller hardware leap from the PS5 than the PS4 Pro was from PS4 - and as we all know both of those consoles launched for the same $399.99 - and yes, the PS4 Pro had double the storage as the launch PS4 (1TB up from 500GB)
I don’t want to hear about a chip shortage. That was primarily a 2020-2023 issue and has mostly been resolved by now. Most other tech/computer products have similar starting prices for their 2024 models that the 2020 models had.
iPhone 12 (2020 dollars) - $799.99
iPhone 16 (2020 dollars) - $658.25
iPhone 12 Pro (2020 dollars) - $999.99
iPhone 16 Pro (2020 dollars) - $822.82
I understand that those devices are higher-margin devices than consoles, but inflation applies to everyone - and Apple, just like every other tech company, has managed to keep prices broadly the same as they were 4 years ago (cheaper actually) when they could have easily taken advantage of “inflation” for even higher profits.
This console should have been $599.99 MAX given the fact that it comes with a 2TB SSD. $599.99 in 2020 dollars would have been $493.69, a bit more than what the PS5 DE launched at, which accounts for a higher amount of storage on the Pro.
To reiterate:
PS5 DE (2020 dollars) - $399.99
PS5 Pro DE (2020 dollars) - $575.97
PS5 Physical (2020 dollars) - $499.99
PS5 Pro Physical (2020 dollars) - $641.79
The PS5 Pro at $699 is simply a product of the lack of competition in the console market from Xbox, along with a decent dose of corporate greed from Sony.
There is no other explanation. None.
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John Wick
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Don't let common sense get in the way of an agenda
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
And no one expects it to be.
You're not wrong. Everything is more expensive now. Especially PC gaming. It's hilarious how people keep pushing that as an alternative.
Still I think a cheaper Pro with 1TB for $599 would have been a better deal and certainly much better for optics. Or $650 with the blu ray drive included. Not sure how many people were clamoring for a bigger built in SSD.
Still I think a cheaper Pro with 1TB for $599 would have been a better deal and certainly much better for optics. Or $650 with the blu ray drive included. Not sure how many people were clamoring for a bigger built in SSD.
Wolves hunt in packs
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
SkylineRKR
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No, if a next Xbox gets announced it will likely cost the same. I think we're looking at the price of consoles going forward.