Bojji
Member
No games will run at 8k. At least nothing more demanding then the touryst or tetris for sure.
Last edited:
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PS5 Pro vs Rough Equivalent PC Specs
- Thread starter CLW
- Start date
No games will run at 8k. At least nothing more demanding then the touryst or tetris for sure.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
They will use a form of 8K for some games.
It will use AI upscaling
Wanna bet?
Which doesn't exist
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I thought the same thing to but I was corrected in another thread. The balcony scene strangely looks 60fps but if you do frame by frame it's 30 fps. Weirdest thing ever.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I don’t make these types of bets, and it’s not the reason you may think
bitbydeath
Member
AI = Not native 8K.
Eszti
Banned
Well yes that is clear. It costs performance. Dont know why you quoted me.
Bojji
Member
Developers won't bother with this. Even 8k Performance requires 4k NATIVE image to work with, using lower base resolution won't look very pretty.
There is no target audience for 8k so outside of few hardcore developers (like PD) no one will care.
Quantum253
Gold Member
$599 Switch 2 incoming
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I hear you, but what purpose does it serve in today's gaming environment? Wouldn't it be silly to ask for RT performance comparisons strictly on shader compute basis without consideration for dedicated HW? Same concept applies with AI upscaling particularly when we discuss pixel rasterization imo. And the dialogue/perceived importance of different tech features needs to evolve now to avoid misconceptions such as the one we're discussing in regards to 7700xt vs PS5 Pro; 7700xt, despite any on-paper, traditional compute similarities, will rarely if ever match the fidelity output of PS5 Pro.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Wouldn't be shocked at this point.
John Wick
Member
So now we are comparing 2nd hand GPU's to the Pro?
Let me know if the 3080 can run games without the rest of the components?
kevboard
Member
I don't think Nintendo is gonna risk alienating people after the success of the Switch.
they are probably scared shitless that the Switch 2 could bomb. because they know now very well that having a super popular system doesn't mean the next system will carry that success forward.
never has there been a fall as steep as the one from the Wii to the Wii U.
they will do everything they can to make the generational shift as smooth as possible
John Wick
Member
Switch 2 will be £399-450. Otherwise it's a dead product.
kevboard
Member
Quantum253
Gold Member
After today, neither would I
bitbydeath
Member
8K is the new 4K.
The writing was on the wall when Epic did an entire demo around UE5 and 8K before the gen even started.
They will no doubt be updating Fortnite to 8K because they always want to sell what their engine is capable of.
Other UE devs will be able to easily follow suit as it is built into the engine.
Sony of course are pushing it, they have TV's to sell, and not to mention they also worked on the UE engine enhancements to support 8K, and we also have GT7 as a shining example.
Ubisoft will likely follow as well, particularly the Rainbow Six team as they are always deep into deploying the latest advancements.
RSS was one of the first/few to incorporate 120FPS.
No Mans Sky, goes without saying, they love their updates.
Indies in general can push 8K, they have plenty of headroom so it is a non-issue.
There isn't that many devs who won't opt for 8K, as I said it is the new 4K and devs will use it as a selling point to show off how amazing their games look.
The target audience is all gamers, even if you aren't on the bandwagon yet.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No it isn't, lol.
Bojji
Member
With rest of the components you will have better hardware than in Pro around the same price.
8k is a failed tech. Released like 10 years too soon...
Last edited:
bitbydeath
Member
4K went through the exact same transition from 1080P.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You said impossible
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
For reference, only 1% of TV's are being estimated to be 8K by the end of 2025.
Comparatively, 4K TV's were being adopted at a faster rate than HDTV's did relative to release back in 2016.
No it did not. 4K was adopted way quicker.
By Q4 2016, when the PS4 Pro came out, about 56% of all TV's sold were 4K TVs.
Last edited:
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No it didn't.
4K was adopted fast, unlike 8K.
//DEVIL//
Member
its not really fair to compare the mighty PS5 pro to a PC. This is the ultimate console.
the one that can't beat a 3080 which can be bought for 350$ ( used of course ). and doesn't even have DLSS. ...
but aside from comparing it to PC, consoles are supposed to be all-in-one gaming system that is cheap to the general public. not to us hardcore gamers that spend 1000s of $ on gaming and consoles. Yet even we think this is crazy expensive.
of course, it's going to be sold out this year because scalpers will buy it and will try and sell it for more, just like with any new popular product. There are people that always do not care and they just want to have the best thing, but once the dust settles, this thing won't sell for shit.
1060$ CAD plus tax for a console and physical drive is crazy. like seriously crazy. wtf were they thinking....
the one that can't beat a 3080 which can be bought for 350$ ( used of course ). and doesn't even have DLSS. ...
but aside from comparing it to PC, consoles are supposed to be all-in-one gaming system that is cheap to the general public. not to us hardcore gamers that spend 1000s of $ on gaming and consoles. Yet even we think this is crazy expensive.
of course, it's going to be sold out this year because scalpers will buy it and will try and sell it for more, just like with any new popular product. There are people that always do not care and they just want to have the best thing, but once the dust settles, this thing won't sell for shit.
1060$ CAD plus tax for a console and physical drive is crazy. like seriously crazy. wtf were they thinking....
Bojji
Member
It was very quick and 4k was actually needed above 40 inches, 1080p was too low. Needs for more than 4k are above typical tv sizes used in homes.
Not to mention almost zero content.
bitbydeath
Member
As per your link it was a measly 10M sold.
PlayStation has always been the tech tipping point.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
4K TV's were 56% of sales by Q4 2016. 4K content was widely available.
8K TV's are expected to be at 1% of total TV adoption by the end of next year and 8K content is trickle feed at best at this point.
There is no comparison. They will need to ship every PS5 Pro unit with a free 8KTV and sell 10 million of them by the end of this year for them to be similar.
Last edited:
bitbydeath
Member
Because people were getting ready for the upcoming 4K content. (PS4 Pro)
PS5 Pro will drive 8K the same way as it had 4K.
Here’s another prediction of 56M 8K TV’s in homes by end of next year, and I bet there is predictions for everything else in between too. Don’t rely on predictions.
8K TV Forecast: 500K This Year, Installed Base of 56 Million by 2025
8K TVs are neither a bust nor an unqualified success, according to an 8K TV forecast from Strategy Analytics. The firm found that these devices – which offer four times the resolution of 4K televisions – will be in 56 million homes by the end...
finleyusa.com
Last edited:
Bojji
Member
4k market was big before PS4 pro. Pro was the answer to that, not the other way around.
bitbydeath
Member
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Lmao 7600X? That's Zen 4. This is the same old 2019 Zen 2 with heavily crippled cache and GDDR6 (bad for CPU) now running at 3.85Ghz instead of 3.5Ghz. Digital Foundry has shown the crippled Zen 2 in the PS5 performs at PC Zen1+ levels (Ryzen 2700 etc.). The PS5 Pro will be equivalent to that plus a tiny 350mhz.
Now the GPU should be a more significant upgrade I expect more or less RX 7700XT performance with maybe a little lower raster but faster RT.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
??
4K market was thriving and the sales were increasing long before PS4 Pro came out. This is just some wishful correlation on your part.
This article is from 2019.
8KTV adoption did not surge anywhere close to that article and was considered very low by 2022.
8K TV Adoption is Much Lower Than Expected
According to a recent report 8K TV adoption is moving much slower than expected. Check out the numbers.
www.ecoustics.com
It wasn’t, as peradamsapple link it had only sold 10M.
In the US only.
And you're missing one factor, it was severely outpacing HDTV adoption.
8K is not even a whisper compared to 4K TV adoption in the last 3 years.
Last edited:
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Yes it's massively weaker than that.Pretty sure it’s still weaker than my Legion Pro with a 7945HX and a 4090, so that can get all the way fucked
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
8650XT or 8700 (non XT). Ryzen 2700X is accurate.
bitbydeath
Member
8K lacking content is the reason for why 8K TV’s aren’t selling as good as they should, once content is created the sales will pickup as well, just as it had for 4K once the PS4 Pro came along. Those 10M sales were only US but still dismal because it too lacked content.??
4K market was thriving and the sales were increasing long before PS4 Pro came out. This is just some wishful correlation on your part.
This article is from 2019.
8KTV adoption did not surge anywhere close to that article and was considered very low by 2022.
8K TV Adoption is Much Lower Than Expected
According to a recent report 8K TV adoption is moving much slower than expected. Check out the numbers.
In the US only.
And you're missing one factor, it was severely outpacing HDTV adoption.
8K is not even a whisper compared to 4K TV adoption in the last 3 years.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
PS5 Pro locks you down to Zen+ 2700 level performance due it's cache, clocks and GDDR6 memory tho.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
How are you so confidently incorrect?
- Your assertion that PS4 Pro was the leading cause of spike in 4KTV sales is just bizarre.
- 4K TV's were selling really fast, much more so than HDTV's, before PS4 Pro came out.
- 8K TV's have not had anywhere near that kind of an adoption spike relative to 4K TV's in similar time frames over the last 3 years. Hell, in 2022 they were deemed to be selling 'much lower than expected'.
Will 8K adoption increase when more native content is readily available? Of course.
But saying '8k is the new 4k' in 2024 is dead wrong.
Last edited:
R6Rider
Gold Member
Yes, it's called a console.
My point is that you might as well go for the AM5 if building a PC.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
4070 is a $550 GPU but right now the lowest price new is $540 at Newegg.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
I would too honestly but that increases the prices. AM4 and the Alder Lake platform are a great value right now.
kevboard
Member
AM4 will still hold up for a while, especially if you get an X3D chip.
DDR5 is not really a big deal when it comes to gaming either.
bitbydeath
Member
Your link mentions
Meaning it was just picking up steam then, not before. The first 4K TV released in 2012. 2016 was 4 years later and slowly climbing to 10M.
8K is selling worse than 4K but 4K was not doing very well prior to the PS4 Pro’s arrival.
Last edited:
VolticArchangel
Member
Much better CPU cuz u gotta have some self respect after all
Good spec.
The 5700x is a bit overshoot, yes, a normal 3600x would have sufficed, with a little OC.
Also, 16 gigs extra Ram, but you can't do much there cuz it's a kit.
tmlDan
Member
that ssd is also significantly slower than required for a PS5.