Aaron Olive
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Checkerboard Rendering duh…
PS5 Pro will be a glimpse into the future of gaming hardware much like PS4 Pro was
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You probably thought the series x was going to blow the ps5 out of the water too. Specs aren't everything.
HeisenbergFX4
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Even the brass at Xbox thought this and before DF implied it a few times it was mentioned in certain Discords the only reason it doesn't is because all games target the PS5 first and Devs don't take the time to push the Series X hardware
Don't shoot the messenger
Badlucktroll
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I wonder if it will be labled the "Paystation 5 pro" if its really expensive
SplunkyMunkey
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In theory they did. In my lifetime its always been comparing specs on which is better. This is probably the first console I've seen that 2/3 tf less and can either keep up with same effects or slightly be better
Jibran#one
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Glimpse of the future with 10 percent CPU improvement ?
U want glimpse of the future go 4090 cyberpunk that shit
U want glimpse of the future go 4090 cyberpunk that shit
I'm teing up the messenger & holding them for ransom
Xbox Series X has the compute advantage ( A bigger one than people realize because of ML stuff) but the hardware also cut some corners where PS5 gained a lot of advantages also.
Yes games can show big advantage on Series X if they are built around Series X but the same thing will happen if a game is built around PS5.
It will always be a toss up unless one way becomes the standard way of creating games .
A big noisy console, highly unlikely.
nush
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You're not alone, I can't tell the difference but that's probably because I used my pro on a new TV and not the one I used my base PS4 on. As least I brought it used, it's white and looks cooler.
Gunstar75
Neo Member
I played Titan Fall 2 for a month on the base PS4 before I got my PS4 Pro. The Pro made a big difference in visual clarity and performance in Titan Fall 2 and it was worth it just in that one game. I turned around and traded my base PS4 in the next week and never looked back.
Gunstar75
Neo Member
PS4 Pro didn't have VRR either, so we have a 33% CPU increase with no VRR and a 10% CPU increase with VRR. Probably will be a similar frame rate increase.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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FP16 and lower-precision compute.
Because Nvidia don't have the in-house devs to make meaningful use of their hardware, and most PC-exclusive 3P don't have the pipelines (budget, studio size, backing, arguably talent) to push those high-end GPUs to their limits, either.
The PC GPUs and related tech have to rely on console-centric game devs & publishers to actually push the tech they make in meaningful ways (related to playing video games).
Technically the SEGA Genesis and SNES can do RT, you don't need specific hardware for that. The CPU could handle all that calculation on its own, in theory.
Just depends on other design targets of the game, obviously.
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Ok, Sony rep
ChorizoPicozo
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cant see shit. how i wish that post had PSSR
midnightAI
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Here's a tip for you, in fact I've mentioned it several times before.... Stop listening to DF
Hero_Select
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This would have happened anyway.
semiconscious
Member
my ps5 pro is awesome! now, if only there were some games to play on it...
Yeah but people was done crying about FauxK when the new consoles arrived
This BS again? PS4 & Xbox One remained the main console throughout the generation & the same will happen with PS5 & PS5 Pro.
It's going on 11 years now & PS4 is still being pushed.
I don't recall heavy emphasis on them in Cerny's talk. I could be wrong though…
If we're talking about tech that's the future of gaming, Nvidia's pushed RT, driven AI powered upscaling with DLSS and now DLSS frame gen.
Hard to argue it's only about console centric devs when we're getting games like Cyberpunk with path tracing etc.
What does the GPU need to double in size for a significant upgrade?
Of course you're not going to do stuff in hardware unless it was tested in software 1st.
Negotiator101
Member
Yeah possibly, just looked slightly underwhelming on paper but let's wait and see. I bought the PS4 Pro last generation and was satisfied although not blown away and I'll probably get the PS5 Pro as well.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Without a Z-buffer and reliance on Mode 7 for planar surfaces? I know what you're saying but let's not go crazy here. Ray tracing hit the mainstream in the mid-2000s with Cars.
Negotiator101
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Who do you suppose I listen to? You? They know their shit, certainly better than the competition anyway. Either way the numbers are undeniable.
Negotiator101
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It's a comparison, nothing more.
Lysandros
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The specs in no way indicated that XSX was going to blow away PS5. The specs showed an evenly matched picture. That's the likes of DF and clueless fanboys who chose to embrace a distorted interpretation of them.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
What a shortsighted thread. PS5 Pro specs are that of a mid-tier 2024 PC. Nothing to scoff at but you literally could've had an equivalent "vision of the future" 4-5 years ago on the PC side.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
4060ti to 4070 
You will learn one day lol
midnightAI
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Don't listen to anyone other than a Dev/tech working with the hardware or Sony themselves?
They know about as much as your average gaming enthusiast, they even disagree amongst themselves. They make guesstimates which are quite often proven wrong. Numbers don't tell the whole story (this is why TF numbers alone are useless), I thought everyone learnt that when the Series X and PS5 specs were originally released?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It was still important because checkboard sucks and that is why Nvidia and AMD don't use it. AI upscaling is where it became "not important" anymore.
On the PC, Nvidia had been beating the GCN architecture with lower TF parts for years. Not that it makes sense to think you can "invent" the idea that real world performance comparisons depend on more than one metric. It would be like "inventing" the idea that lower clocked CPUs can beat higher clocked ones.
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LordOfChaos
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S0ULZB0URNE
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PSSR (PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution Upscaling)
Is the future.
Is the future.
twilo99
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I'm starting to understand what went wrong in the GPU business, at least from a gaming standpoint, and that's the huge bet Nvidia put towards ML/AI, which ultimately made gaming GPUs more expensive, and the features we are getting on the gaming side almost feel like a second thought.. just because they have all this ML hardware in there for neural network workloads, we might as well find some way to use it for gaming.
That was the right call for Nvidia, but their primary product is no longer the gaming GPU... that is now ML/data center hardware, and eventually I fear that the gaming side will just be getting the leftover from whatever they are doing on the ML front.
Hopefully I'm wrong.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Some PS360 gen games had it too like MGS4.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
In video games? Don't think so.
Physiognomonics
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First AI upscaling on consoles. All games forward will use AI upscaling by default on all future console games (well PS5 Pro) and this will be the first thing to be compared between future comparisons (well when Xbox will get its own AI upscaling in a few years, LOL).
And much needed improvements in RT effects in number and quality applied on console games.
Overall this will be a much bigger improvement than bare CBR 1800p or 1440p from 1080p we got on PS4 Pro.
And much needed improvements in RT effects in number and quality applied on console games.
Overall this will be a much bigger improvement than bare CBR 1800p or 1440p from 1080p we got on PS4 Pro.
Seems we found Mr Leadbetter Gaf account.
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Disappointed for what? My thread has nothing to do with how powerful a console is .
What am I overhyping?Biggest mistake in gaming is overhyping shit.......especially hardware.
The normal rendering pipeline of this console isn't much higher than PS5 & Xbox Series X
It's enough to take the base resolution & FPS up a little if making games in a traditional way but the Ray-Tracing & Upscaling using all that leftover Compute will make a big difference.
DAHGAMING
Kentucky Fried Controller
DIsapointed when its released and it turns out Series X is the still the most powerfull alpha console out there and will only be beaten by the next Xbo dream machine
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