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PS5 seems more balanced than Xbox One Series X
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Price is arguably the most important thing that will sway consumers towards the ps5 or a Series X. Like I said, if they end up costing the same, maybe Sony did make a mistake and we'll see if the crazy SSD tech was worth sacrificing raw specs over. However, the goal of both companies is to sell as many SKU's as possible and the design of a console is all about striking a balance between the best performance possible at a tolerable price (around $399/ $499). I mean what'd be the point if Sony or MS released a 55Tflops console at $1500 if no one would buy it and there'd be no support for it?
My guess it that Series X will be a lot pricier than the ps5 and I see Sony outselling series X at least 2/1 again. When that happens all major developers will likely target ps5 as the base console and use the strengths of that platform (SSD) to its fullest potential. We will see how that will compare to the Series X versions, but for sure we would see longer loading times, more pop-ins and shorter draw distances in open world games, which there'll probably be a lot of next gen. Things that will be a lot more noticeable to the average consumer than just a slight bump in resolution on Series X's side.
Hostile_18
Banned
It's not just the power it's the consumer friendly practices such as gamepass, BC and smart delivery. If Sony had them they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Literally the only thing (and it is a big thing) that Sony has are the exclusives. As a single player gamer those games have given me the most enjoyment this generation.
What a dilemma.
Literally the only thing (and it is a big thing) that Sony has are the exclusives. As a single player gamer those games have given me the most enjoyment this generation.
What a dilemma.
Caio
Member
I think it's 15%, look
12.155 : 100 = 10.28 : X
X = 10.28TF X 100%
--------- = 84.57%. PS5 TF are 84.57% compared to XSX, the difference is roughly 15.42%. For the rest I agree with you !
12.155TF
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Still at the bargaining stage I see.
ResilientBanana
Member
Xbox Series X : Will acheive better visuals and reach 4K with eaese
Playstation 5 : WIll load slightly faster.
Sony just gave a huge technical briefing full of facts about hardware design to compensate for their lack of power. For the PS5, when the CPU is at full capacity, the GPU is not. When the GPU is at full capacity the CPU is not. If you think that's balanced, it's not, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Playstation 5 : WIll load slightly faster.
Sony just gave a huge technical briefing full of facts about hardware design to compensate for their lack of power. For the PS5, when the CPU is at full capacity, the GPU is not. When the GPU is at full capacity the CPU is not. If you think that's balanced, it's not, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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PS5 is weaker and sony's presentation has zero hype. Weak showing and lost me completely. You want to talk about bottlenecks? How about ps5's clock speeds that is based on thermal throttling compared to series x's fixed clock speed? Fast SSD but less space? PS5 has a weaker cpu, gpu, less hard drive space and slower RAM plus it has bottlenecks.
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Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
the only thing PS5 beats Xbox on is the SSD speeds.
ps5 has weaker/slower GPU and slower CPU.
memory bandwidth is 448GB/s on PS5. On Xbox 10GB runs at 560GB/s and 6GB runs at 335GB/s.
Xbox has 1TB SSD and PS5 comes with 825GB (wtf).
just face the truth...Xbox is more powerful.
ps5 has weaker/slower GPU and slower CPU.
memory bandwidth is 448GB/s on PS5. On Xbox 10GB runs at 560GB/s and 6GB runs at 335GB/s.
Xbox has 1TB SSD and PS5 comes with 825GB (wtf).
just face the truth...Xbox is more powerful.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
The difference is gonna be massive open world games like halo with the SSD is what Sony are saying but halo has been massive in open sections for years so there are awaits work through a. The extra speed of the ssd won’t make up for the lack of power compared to series x. It’s not like except single game we played up till now is corridor shooters is it? GTA and forza horizon 4 work very well with what we have already and in 4k to.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Damage control is off the charts around here. Having a system that has to throttle back GPU for CPU is awful imo. Should make for some interesting performance issues.
MilkyJoe
Member
from the DF dude on reeeee
I think the gpu and CPU clocking Thing will work like this, i have it on a good hunch:
Devs will prioritise modes like high clocked GPU and lower clockd CPU, or the other way around. That is basically what the presentation says, they will have trouble hitting full speeds on both parts simultaneously due to utilisation (which is a bit duh), so one Part being higherclocked requires an under utilisation of the other. So a game that is mostly gpu limited will use a gpu Mode, a very intense open world game or... Some other Design requiring more CPU will use a CPU Mode. So underclocking the GPU there.
This of course assume that games do not really heavily utilise both parts at the same time, in which case, like a 60 Assassin's Creed game as we see on PC. Or a game with variable drs and a lot of CPU Stuff. Or any ambtious game that want to do both simulation and graphical things.
The one Part being higher clocked, requires an under utilisation of the other. Hence why freefloating resolution game with very preise dynamic resolution scaling, like Doom, Titan Fall 2, modern warfare etc. Will all probably need to be in the Mode for GPU Power. They are already maxing the GPU as is due to their Design.
so basically if a game want to push both graphics and physics\stuff on screen they can't use the max power from cpu and gpu, they have to make a choice.
do you remember your beloved set pieces in uncharted or gow with a lot of shit on screen, those are the scene where the power is gonna lack on one side or another.
what an elegant and balanced solution
Oh my days. Grass-gate 2.0 incoming.
SleepDoctor
Banned
"Please here"..... stopped reading 
well, they had it in the past. For the launch of PS5 nothing is announced so far, except godfall.
In addition, we are not sure what of those exclusive PS4 we can play on PS5 for free again
Memorabilia
Member
They're both going to be great systems. I'll be buying both at launch. Power-wise, the Xbox is the better overall system. We don't yet know enough about either to claim a squishy title like "Most Balanced", though. That will have to wait. Right now it just sounds like spin.
uhh, PS5 doesn’t always run at highest clock. It’s variable.
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Maths, how do they work.
Tflops of PS5 to Series X difference is 16%.
Tflops difference between XB1 1.3tflops and 1.8tflops PS4 was 40%.
The real-world difference between current gen is super small. So 16% is going to be nothing or a small advantage to PS5 because of its optimizations.
Spreewaldgurke
Member
You can turn n move it like you want, XSX is More capable to create nice graphics.
Von Hugh
Member
More than that in real world since PS5 has got variable clock speeds. How are you going to spin around that this time?
ManaByte
Member
The PS5 has Boost Processing!
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Explain how variable clockspeed in the PS5 works.
OneShotThrill
Member
I cant take this..its not even entertaining meltdowns...this shit is sad."Please here"..... stopped reading
ManaByte
Member
Depending on the power load the developer puts on the system, it can go anywhere between 9.2TF and 10.3TF.
MilkyJoe
Member
In game where the Cpu is required ps5 is 9.2tflops. That makes the Xbox 30% more powerful, most of the time. That's 1.64 PS4s more power
Some of y'all are really doing the most trying to argue against the simple notion. Sony went the cheap route, the XSX is the most powerful and intelligently designed console of next generation.
Once you say it, it becomes easier to accept. At least for me it has been.
PS5...will let you send Sony a pic of your ear, that's kind of cool!
Once you say it, it becomes easier to accept. At least for me it has been.
PS5...will let you send Sony a pic of your ear, that's kind of cool!
it_wasn't_me
Banned
In game where the Cpu is required ps5 is 9.2tflops. That makes the Xbox 30% more powerful, most of the time. That's 1.64 PS4s more power
Wrong. Cerny clearly stated yesterday that both CPU and GPU run at full clock most of the time. PS5 isn't 9.2 TF machine. Just read example how variable CPU and GPU clock works in games :
New Switch mod delivers real-time CPU, GPU and thermal monitoring - and the results are remarkable
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Read the Switch example. Post above. If someone doesn't know how to explain. Since you asked him.
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gamerforever
Banned
If Sony kept it at 9TF and priced it at £350 with a normal SSD it would be balanced. The lower specs meant they had to add the super fast SSD, upclock it and probably add an expensive fan. I can guarantee the thing won't cost less than the series x.
SirTerry-T
Member
Remember when we had to wait five minutes or more to load our games off dodgy cassette tapes.
Fun times.
#bringbackthec90
Fun times.
#bringbackthec90
Fulcizombie
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it_wasn't_me
Banned
Like Cerny stated in presentation, both CPU and GPU most of the time run at full speed. And PS5 surely isn't a 9.2 TF console. How it works, maybe the Switch is right example. Post above
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
In game where the Cpu is required ps5 is 9.2tflops. That makes the Xbox 30% more powerful, most of the time. That's 1.64 PS4s more power
Joe you havent factored in memory bandwidth advantage for PS5 or its heavy pipeline customizations so don't give me 30% tales from your barse lmao.
No way real world perf difference is gonna be close to that. 5% advantage for PS5 maybe 1
ManaByte
Member
Watch the DF Direct video. It's 9TF before the boost is applied.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Yes, but listen what Mark Cerny said. DF guys are tech analysts, not architects and designers.
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LokusAbriss
Member
And let's wait and see, if it can hold the boost for long sessions and that it won't overhead or clock down.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Typically when you measure the difference between two systems you go from the weaker and look at how much more powerful the other is, not the other way around. XSX is around 20 % more powerful. Which is the same as PS5 is 15 % weaker.
Caio
Member
In game where the Cpu is required ps5 is 9.2tflops. That makes the Xbox 30% more powerful, most of the time. That's 1.64 PS4s more power
Mark Cerny said that there are many areas where the GPU work much better and faster at higher frequency, I can't remember how much % VS amount of boost in frequency. This can partially compensate the disadvantage in TF. Now I'm not saying PS5 will be as powerful as XSX, simply I'm not expecting a big difference in multiplatform games, considering what happened with PS4 and X1, where PS4 was really much more powerful than X1 and by far better and faster RAM !!! Also, I would like to see the benefit of a SSD which is more than twice as fast than the one in the XSX, about Virtual memory, game assets, bigger words, etc. We will see.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
The spin. The spin never stops....
LET'S KEEP SPINNING BABY!!!!
Except you don't seem to understand how this works, either.
I'll just repost what I posted in the Next-Gen thread about this, since it basically gets the job done
LET'S KEEP SPINNING BABY!!!!
Except you don't seem to understand how this works, either.
I'll just repost what I posted in the Next-Gen thread about this, since it basically gets the job done
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LokusAbriss
Member
And the difference widens, if the console can't use full boost.
oldergamer
Member
Ps5 is less balanced, not sure how anyone could come to a different conclusion
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
But that's the whole idea of the system. It will clock down. Either the CPU or the GPU. It can't run both at max specs, just one.
Without giving examples. I can give an example where it's wrong: Raytracing. Cerny is just damege controlling, how many games ran better on Xbox One because it was running higher clock speeds?
it_wasn't_me
Banned
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Yeah, because Xbox is the the console overclocked way beyond what most people would consider reasonable just to get it to 10TF. You don' have to worry about RROD on the PS5, you need to hope it doesn't catch on fire.
