PS5 : The Future Of Gaming. NeoGAF Viewing Thread. June 11th 1PM PDT/ 9PM BST

Horizon: Forbidden West screenshots of gameplay and cutscenes

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You know what i fucked up.
I set it to 1080 for the show to force it to stay like that vs auto.

I have to set the quality to 4k.

Man you good.

No, not the show. The show looks like crap. Watch the trailers, here:

 
So far Sony is winning for me. The only thing I dislike from either console so far is Sony's console design.

Games: Sony
Controller: Sony
Console Design: Xbox Series X
UI: ???

Wish we saw the UI in action.
 
We havent seen much yet.

The best is still to come.

Though i believ the hard to swallow pill will be the price.
Not for me but most people.

And my god the haters today. Pathetic

Not you of course :lollipop_tears_of_joy: , but heard too much noise and farts in this threads from lots of trolls.

Watch the videos on 4K, even with the heavy compression, it represents the same screenshots I've show. I can make you some myself. I think most of them aren't watching in 4K to begin with.
 
Not you of course :lollipop_tears_of_joy: , but heard too much noise and farts in this threads from lots of trolls.

Watch the videos on 4K, even with the heavy compression, it represents the same screenshots I've show. I can make you some myself. I think most of them aren't watching in 4K to begin with.
No i see it now. Gt7 in smooth 60fps.

So its something to point out that at the end of each video it tells you if its full exclusive or timed .

Some other thread was about how demon souls and hzd2 will come to pc.
Not according to the disclamer in the videos
 
No i see it now. Gt7 in smooth 60fps.

So its something to point out that at the end of each video it tells you if its full exclusive or timed .

Some other thread was about how demon souls and hzd2 will come to pc.
Not according to the disclamer in the videos

Yup, took me like half an hour for this post, sums it up.

 
Yup, took me like half an hour for this post, sums it up.

Fuck man sorry i am tired out of my mind. Yeah i saw ot before.

Maybe give it a new thread? You know. For the haters.
 
Fuck man sorry i am tired out of my mind. Yeah i saw ot before.

Maybe give it a new thread? You know. For the haters.

Here you go ;)

 
Here you go ;)

Let the tears flow. I have buckets of buckets for all the cry babies.

Hold on.....
 
Was it just me of did the whole thing seem underwhelming?, we had the unreal 5 demo which looked like an evolution, then we had a lot of developers telling us these new experiences were only possible on the PS5, yet showed experiences that would not have looked out of place on the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X. ;)
 
I think you misunderstand my comment. Technically it will fit in my living room but since it won't conveniently fit in most tv stands they are asking people to just put that giant console out on display. Most people like to have their living room look like it all fits together.

I think both the next generation consoles look a bit hard to fit into peoples existing setup's.
 
I think both the next generation consoles look a bit hard to fit into peoples existing setup's.

True, XSX pretty much looks like a regular boring box similar to a bunch of other things. It goes under the radar.

If you enter a room with a PS5 you immediately identify it has a piece of technology.

Different design ideas, I suppose.
 
What was written below was going to be a private response based exclusively on yesterday's event that was broadcast in 1080 @ 30 (although they later posted the videos at 4K @ 60).

I haven't read any messages since yesterday, so I don't know if any new comments or information have come out.

After the anger I will try to write this as calmly as possible.

I am disappointed with the presentation. It did not seem to me that they have demonstrated the true generational change.

The strange thing is that they have material for it. I don't know why they don't use it. They have dedicated themselves to teaching Indie games, multiplatform with generic engines and the few exclusive ones were with recycled engines. And from GT7 they have not taught any accident or climate change.

That seems good to me that things are saved for later, but damn, then don't call it "The future of gaming" or "obvious generational leap". Call it "appetizer". I've seen better PS4 games than most trailers yesterday. It is true that in 4K things improve, but it still shows that they are recycled engines.

I realize that until a year or two from now we will not see the true visual leap, when games begin to use UE5 natively and Sony make engines that take advantage of PS5.

This game will be released on PS4 this year and looks better than Demon's Souls on PS5.



It is true that it is a multiplatform game and that the images are surely from PC (or PS4Pro), but they could have perfectly made Demon's Souls with that quality.

I really don't understand what they are doing.

They could have taught a photorealistic horror game (well, two) that you screw upside down and they haven't.

The only positive thing about yesterday is that all the trash has been taken from him (I hope). In addition, most trailers are made in 2019. But they have not lived up to expectations. I hoped that everything they showed would live up to what I saw behind closed doors. And it was not so.

Damn, we came from here ...▼

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The least expected is this, if you use the phrase "The future of gamming".▼

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This is the minimum PS5 needs to start generation. Otherwise, they are giving no reason for people to jump. I don't have the capacity to do it, but I do expect it from your internal studies.

And and the problem is not that it cannot be done. The problem is that they are not being consistent in the names and expectations that they are giving to their conferences. I hope that from here to the exit they fix it in some way. And it is true that what is taught are products in development with room for improvement, but then do not sell it like that.

The only thing they are doing well is "not selling smoke with the trailers".

They could teach things like this▼

UE5-on-PS5-920x423.jpg


And they decide to teach this.▼
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At an event called "the future of gamming".

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I understand that they should also make room for this type of games, but then give the event another name. Host another event in July called "PS3 Indie Trash Remastered for PS5".

I am a developer and I value the work of my colleagues, it is not a criticism of their work, I know what it costs to do every little piece of their work. What I criticize is the way Sony has to sell it to the public. In my opinion, there is no coherence between the Slogans and what has been shown.

And GT7 ... there have been trailers in the past where the grass moved when cars passed, not even here. Mixing old assets with new assets from megascans ... but if you use megascans for remote areas and recycled assets for nearby areas ... what consistency does that have? That is worth, that it is a recycled circuit, but then do not show it in the conference of "the future of gaming", show a car crashing and breaking into pieces, or make up the trailer a bit. I know that in GT7 I am not going to stop to look at the grass, but by God, do not do a macro zoom to the grass showing those assets from the time of PS3, approach the mountain and show the asset of megascan.

I return to the same thing, it is not a problem of the real capacity, it is a problem of what you decide to show, how and when. But if you put it together with the slogan "the future of gaming" it is logical that the user can and should be disappointed.

How dare they say that they believe in generational changes by showing games that visually (without pausing) could go through games on their own PS4? I do not understand, really.

And the VR?

Wake up Sony! Wake up!

Microsoft is doing better in marketing campaign. And if Sony does not demonstrate its potential before the consoles come out, it will have lost the generation before starting, even if later it releases brilliant games.

I'm going to eat.
 
What was written below was going to be a private response based exclusively on yesterday's event that was broadcast in 1080 @ 30 (although they later posted the videos at 4K @ 60).

I haven't read any messages since yesterday, so I don't know if any new comments or information have come out.

After the anger I will try to write this as calmly as possible.

I am disappointed with the presentation. It did not seem to me that they have demonstrated the true generational change.

The strange thing is that they have material for it. I don't know why they don't use it. They have dedicated themselves to teaching Indie games, multiplatform with generic engines and the few exclusive ones were with recycled engines. And from GT7 they have not taught any accident or climate change.

That seems good to me that things are saved for later, but damn, then don't call it "The future of gaming" or "obvious generational leap". Call it "appetizer". I've seen better PS4 games than most trailers yesterday. It is true that in 4K things improve, but it still shows that they are recycled engines.

I realize that until a year or two from now we will not see the true visual leap, when games begin to use UE5 natively and Sony make engines that take advantage of PS5.

This game will be released on PS4 this year and looks better than Demon's Souls on PS5.



It is true that it is a multiplatform game and that the images are surely from PC (or PS4Pro), but they could have perfectly made Demon's Souls with that quality.

I really don't understand what they are doing.

They could have taught a photorealistic horror game (well, two) that you screw upside down and they haven't.

The only positive thing about yesterday is that all the trash has been taken from him (I hope). In addition, most trailers are made in 2019. But they have not lived up to expectations. I hoped that everything they showed would live up to what I saw behind closed doors. And it was not so.

Damn, we came from here ...▼

Last-of-Us-2-1274403.jpg


The least expected is this, if you use the phrase "The future of gamming".▼

maxresdefault.jpg


This is the minimum PS5 needs to start generation. Otherwise, they are giving no reason for people to jump. I don't have the capacity to do it, but I do expect it from your internal studies.

And and the problem is not that it cannot be done. The problem is that they are not being consistent in the names and expectations that they are giving to their conferences. I hope that from here to the exit they fix it in some way. And it is true that what is taught are products in development with room for improvement, but then do not sell it like that.

The only thing they are doing well is "not selling smoke with the trailers".

They could teach things like this▼

UE5-on-PS5-920x423.jpg


And they decide to teach this.▼
PS5_bugsnax.0.png


At an event called "the future of gamming".

giphy.gif


I understand that they should also make room for this type of games, but then give the event another name. Host another event in July called "PS3 Indie Trash Remastered for PS5".

I am a developer and I value the work of my colleagues, it is not a criticism of their work, I know what it costs to do every little piece of their work. What I criticize is the way Sony has to sell it to the public. In my opinion, there is no coherence between the Slogans and what has been shown.

And GT7 ... there have been trailers in the past where the grass moved when cars passed, not even here. Mixing old assets with new assets from megascans ... but if you use megascans for remote areas and recycled assets for nearby areas ... what consistency does that have? That is worth, that it is a recycled circuit, but then do not show it in the conference of "the future of gaming", show a car crashing and breaking into pieces, or make up the trailer a bit. I know that in GT7 I am not going to stop to look at the grass, but by God, do not do a macro zoom to the grass showing those assets from the time of PS3, approach the mountain and show the asset of megascan.

I return to the same thing, it is not a problem of the real capacity, it is a problem of what you decide to show, how and when. But if you put it together with the slogan "the future of gaming" it is logical that the user can and should be disappointed.

How dare they say that they believe in generational changes by showing games that visually (without pausing) could go through games on their own PS4? I do not understand, really.

And the VR?

Wake up Sony! Wake up!

Microsoft is doing better in marketing campaign. And if Sony does not demonstrate its potential before the consoles come out, it will have lost the generation before starting, even if later it releases brilliant games.

I'm going to eat.


Wonderful rant, my friend. I think you'll change your mind if you check out the screenshots, or the 4K videos at least. They're very good to my taste. Waiting for more!
 
Wonderful rant, my friend. I think you'll change your mind if you check out the screenshots, or the 4K videos at least. They're very good to my taste. Waiting for more!

I do think one of the major issues is with the current generations upgrades within their respective lifecycles, as it makes improvements far more difficult to see, and we were already getting to the point of diminishing returns in terms of visuals, more so for the mass market.
 
I do think one of the major issues is with the current generations upgrades within their respective lifecycles, as it makes improvements far more difficult to see, and we were already getting to the point of diminishing returns in terms of visuals, more so for the mass market.

Personally I see way, way more better upgrades on what's show compared to current gen.

If anyone saying that by looking at a 1080p tv/monitor then he'll never understand it. The details are insane in those, that ratchet and clank is near movie level!
 
Personally I see way, way more better upgrades on what's show compared to current gen.

If anyone saying that by looking at a 1080p tv/monitor then he'll never understand it. The details are insane in those, that ratchet and clank is near movie level!

You are more technical just like I am, and to most people on this site the differences are more apparent.
 
You are more technical just like I am, and to most people on this site the differences are more apparent.

We're still in the transition phase, by the end of next gen we'll laugh at those launch titles. Most engines need to be overhauled to take full advantage of PS5's I/O and SSD.
 
Yet another overblown event that could've been easily replaced by just releasing the trailers on YT... And those white/blue/black animations took like a quarter of the show wtf... We seriously need E3 to get back to its old glory.
 
What was written below was going to be a private response based exclusively on yesterday's event that was broadcast in 1080 @ 30 (although they later posted the videos at 4K @ 60).

I haven't read any messages since yesterday, so I don't know if any new comments or information have come out.

After the anger I will try to write this as calmly as possible.

I am disappointed with the presentation. It did not seem to me that they have demonstrated the true generational change.

The strange thing is that they have material for it. I don't know why they don't use it. They have dedicated themselves to teaching Indie games, multiplatform with generic engines and the few exclusive ones were with recycled engines. And from GT7 they have not taught any accident or climate change.

That seems good to me that things are saved for later, but damn, then don't call it "The future of gaming" or "obvious generational leap". Call it "appetizer". I've seen better PS4 games than most trailers yesterday. It is true that in 4K things improve, but it still shows that they are recycled engines.

I realize that until a year or two from now we will not see the true visual leap, when games begin to use UE5 natively and Sony make engines that take advantage of PS5.

This game will be released on PS4 this year and looks better than Demon's Souls on PS5.



It is true that it is a multiplatform game and that the images are surely from PC (or PS4Pro), but they could have perfectly made Demon's Souls with that quality.

I really don't understand what they are doing.

They could have taught a photorealistic horror game (well, two) that you screw upside down and they haven't.

The only positive thing about yesterday is that all the trash has been taken from him (I hope). In addition, most trailers are made in 2019. But they have not lived up to expectations. I hoped that everything they showed would live up to what I saw behind closed doors. And it was not so.

Damn, we came from here ...▼

Last-of-Us-2-1274403.jpg


The least expected is this, if you use the phrase "The future of gamming".▼

maxresdefault.jpg


This is the minimum PS5 needs to start generation. Otherwise, they are giving no reason for people to jump. I don't have the capacity to do it, but I do expect it from your internal studies.

And and the problem is not that it cannot be done. The problem is that they are not being consistent in the names and expectations that they are giving to their conferences. I hope that from here to the exit they fix it in some way. And it is true that what is taught are products in development with room for improvement, but then do not sell it like that.

The only thing they are doing well is "not selling smoke with the trailers".

They could teach things like this▼

UE5-on-PS5-920x423.jpg


And they decide to teach this.▼
PS5_bugsnax.0.png


At an event called "the future of gamming".

giphy.gif


I understand that they should also make room for this type of games, but then give the event another name. Host another event in July called "PS3 Indie Trash Remastered for PS5".

I am a developer and I value the work of my colleagues, it is not a criticism of their work, I know what it costs to do every little piece of their work. What I criticize is the way Sony has to sell it to the public. In my opinion, there is no coherence between the Slogans and what has been shown.

And GT7 ... there have been trailers in the past where the grass moved when cars passed, not even here. Mixing old assets with new assets from megascans ... but if you use megascans for remote areas and recycled assets for nearby areas ... what consistency does that have? That is worth, that it is a recycled circuit, but then do not show it in the conference of "the future of gaming", show a car crashing and breaking into pieces, or make up the trailer a bit. I know that in GT7 I am not going to stop to look at the grass, but by God, do not do a macro zoom to the grass showing those assets from the time of PS3, approach the mountain and show the asset of megascan.

I return to the same thing, it is not a problem of the real capacity, it is a problem of what you decide to show, how and when. But if you put it together with the slogan "the future of gaming" it is logical that the user can and should be disappointed.

How dare they say that they believe in generational changes by showing games that visually (without pausing) could go through games on their own PS4? I do not understand, really.

And the VR?

Wake up Sony! Wake up!

Microsoft is doing better in marketing campaign. And if Sony does not demonstrate its potential before the consoles come out, it will have lost the generation before starting, even if later it releases brilliant games.

I'm going to eat.

My dear friend, Sony is not going to show their full potencial knowing that MS is hosting a huge event in August.

I do agree that they showed too much indie games, but it was not a bad event at all. Really good games were annunced and we saw the console form factor (I love it).

Next stop: the console teardown, where they could be more specific.

People like it, dont worry too much ;) 👇
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Some of the indie games looked fucking horrendous such as that furrie game. The conference was boring me with all that indie shit.

I also noted almost all AAA titles now focus on female protagonists only... Getting kinda boring if I'm honest. There should be a balance.
 
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Wonderful rant, my friend. I think you'll change your mind if you check out the screenshots, or the 4K videos at least. They're very good to my taste. Waiting for more!
Yes, in 4K it improves. But my complaint is due to the lack of coherence between the advertised slogan and the global quality of what is shown. Especially when you know what can really be done.

I mean, let's see ... It's as if McDonald's tells you it's going to do a presentation event and calls the event "the future of hamburgers."

Many will expect this ▼
mcdonalds-mcchicken-1.jpg


Logically it's not a realistic hope, since you all know that burgers are not that perfect in the end, so you can really expect something like that. ▼
McD-McChicken.jpg


What I do not consider acceptable is that an event called "the future of the hungry" will get this ▼
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But that's not what makes me angry. What makes me angry is knowing that PS5 can do this... ▼
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...and they decide not to show it.

If they wanted to show this ... ▼
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... they could have given another name to the event.

I do not criticize the quality of what is shown. But the incoherence between what is shown and the slogan.

In my opinion everything should have been Top. And Indie games leave them for an exclusive separate event. But hey, as I say is my opinion, I am human and you don't always have to agree with me. I am an imperfect machine and too demanding.
 
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The PS5 train has left the station but before it reaches Next Gen, looks like we'll be making a few stops at Current Gen along the way, please refrain from grumbling...
 
We're still in the transition phase, by the end of next gen we'll laugh at those launch titles. Most engines need to be overhauled to take full advantage of PS5's I/O and SSD.

We can't always lay the blame with familiarity, developers have got used to developing games to run in 4K, as P.C tech has far surpassed the current generation consoles for a while now.
 
Yes, in 4K it improves. But my complaint is due to the lack of coherence between the advertised slogan and the global quality of what is shown. Especially when you know what can really be done.

I mean, let's see ... It's as if McDonald's tells you it's going to do a presentation event and calls the event "the future of hamburgers."

Many will expect this ▼
mcdonalds-mcchicken-1.jpg


Logically it's not a realistic hope, since you all know that burgers are not that perfect in the end, so you can really expect something like that. ▼
McD-McChicken.jpg


What I do not consider acceptable is that an event called "the future of the hungry" will get this ▼
B2cQluJCEAATgCj.png


But that's not what makes me angry. What makes me angry is knowing that PS5 can do this... ▼
McCHicken-spice.jpg

...and they decide not to show it.

If they wanted to show this ... ▼
B2cQluJCEAATgCj.png

... they could have given another name to the event.

I do not criticize the quality of what is shown. But the incoherence between what is shown and the slogan.

In my opinion everything should have been Top. And Indie games leave them for an exclusive separate event. But hey, as I say is my opinion, I am human and you don't always have to agree with me. I am an imperfect machine and too demanding.

Seemed like hype over substance to me.
 
I think the event lacked some kind of "Breath of the Wild"-like killergame.
I went into the event in the hope that Sony would convince me to pre-order the console. After watching the whole thing, i think i will wait at least half a year or a even until end of 2021 and decide then.
The presentation had some good and interesting games but no real jaw-dropper as far as i am concerned.

1. Demon Souls looks great. Maybe my highlight.
2. Hitman 3 could be great. I hope they go back more to the older style formula ala blood money.
3. Ratchet and Clank looked fun for sure. Don't know, if it is really my type of game though.

Ghostwire and Athia i will have to wait and see. Not sure what to think about them yet. And Horizon 2 and Spidy don't really interest me that much.

All in all the future looks a bit too much like the present
7/10
 
Sony really needed to showcase something worthy of competing with Halo at launch. An Xbox with a launch day Halo is a pretty big deal. Sony is offering.....A Spiderman Spin Off game and Godfall?
 
5 million within the first 90 days as confirmed straight from the Franchise Director at 343 himself, Frank O'Connor. Who posted it on here neogaf confirming it, due false rumors being put out there coincidentally on this very same forum & various sites.


Not bad for a console that had around a 16 million user base at the time, give or take.

4 years later, you can bet your ass it's well over 10 by now.
Proof?
 
Some of the indie games looked fucking horrendous such as that furrie game. The conference was boring me with all that indie shit.

I also noted almost all AAA titles now focus on female protagonists only... Getting kinda boring if I'm honest. There should be a balance.
Indie games are a Playstation staple. It's part of the brand's heritage. IMO, some of the best games were indie, like Little Devil.

As for the female protagonists, it's kinda like complaining about too many minority protagonists. For decades, we got a bunch of white, male protagonists. It's fine to swing away for that for a while. Besides, it makes the games more appealing to a broader market. They no doubt want to capture more female gamers this generation, as they certainly play games as evidenced by mobile gaming stats. It's just that they don't play console games as much. Playing as a man, woman, or animal makes no difference to me. As long as the game is good, I'm cool with it. I don't see a need to balance out the gender roles, when women has been underrepresented by a large margin throughout the history of games.
 
Oh, so no proof it didn't? Thanks for making your post irrelevant before I even gave you the benefit of the doubt.

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Tell that to MS not me, i not the one releasing the numbers, the fact they didnt means I get the edge because if they would have passed 10
Million you know they would release those numbers. I dont think any exclusive reached ten million for them this gen
 
My dear friend, Sony is not going to show their full potencial knowing that MS is hosting a huge event in August.

I do agree that they showed too much indie games, but it was not a bad event at all. Really good games were annunced and we saw the console form factor (I love it).

Next stop: the console teardown, where they could be more specific.

People like it, dont worry too much ;) 👇
dhQ0Zby.jpg

What a beautiful BEAST 😍

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I wish I hadn't zoom in for that horizon 2 aloy image :( Those freckles make her look even worse, damn. These developers just don't know what details need to be there and what not.
 
I think a couple of games are on reserve for the teardown. Predicting that those will showcase the true power during demonstrations. Question is when will this event happen.
 
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