its, a fun dungeon but its ruthless 1F and have luck with binds pretty much. its super end game stuff, only a handful of teams can take it with confidence. tho it is possible to clear it with a team of fully farmable cards.
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Puzzle & Dragons |OT2| Don't Ask, Just Reroll
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its, a fun dungeon but its ruthless 1F and have luck with binds pretty much. its super end game stuff, only a handful of teams can take it with confidence. tho it is possible to clear it with a team of fully farmable cards.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
On the other hand I have all my ~lit busties lined up on the NA version and I have yet to even run it once. Thanks, evo mat PAL machine?
Still rerolling over and over for a kirin. Tired of this haha. Some advice please.
I just got a red sonia, heard this was also a good starter. As a non IAP player will I be hurting for good subs (I know she needs devils)
I played through the first 5 dungeons and got a succubus with my second roll. Should I restart anyways and keep trying for the Kirin?
I just got a red sonia, heard this was also a good starter. As a non IAP player will I be hurting for good subs (I know she needs devils)
I played through the first 5 dungeons and got a succubus with my second roll. Should I restart anyways and keep trying for the Kirin?
MMBosstones86
Member
so how bad are the godfest pulls this time around? Sitting this one out until DBZ time!
I pulled 10 times, my most ever in a single sitting. They were all free Stones, but still...
Outside of AA Lucifer, which I didn't have, I got absolutely nothing. Two AA Michael's, a Thor, and a Fenrir Knight Kamui. The rest was trash. Extremely disheartened, at the moment. This is the second "Player's Choice" I've participated in where the voted units were nowhere to be found. I don't think I'll bother with the third, and just go with general Godfest. In theory, it should give me more, but it never seems to work out that way for me. I should have saved them for the DBZ Collaboration, but hopefully I'll have more Magic Stones by then.
I'd advise against pulling, if you have luck as horrible as I seemingly do.
Outside of AA Lucifer, which I didn't have, I got absolutely nothing. Two AA Michael's, a Thor, and a Fenrir Knight Kamui. The rest was trash. Extremely disheartened, at the moment. This is the second "Player's Choice" I've participated in where the voted units were nowhere to be found. I don't think I'll bother with the third, and just go with general Godfest. In theory, it should give me more, but it never seems to work out that way for me. I should have saved them for the DBZ Collaboration, but hopefully I'll have more Magic Stones by then.
I'd advise against pulling, if you have luck as horrible as I seemingly do.
Not seeing the "fun" in the Twinlits dungeon at all. I've only managed to 0-stone it two times so far with my farmable Zeus team.
Red Sonia is top tier. You can make a powerful Red Sonia team using only farmable devil subs. And you're bound to pull more devils from the REM eventually.
Don't reroll.
CornBurrito
Member
Sonia is great. I wouldn't reroll personally.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
There was some good advice posted/linked earlier about non-IAP solutions for R.Sonia, but I think it was a long time ago. Keep her she's good.
Ronia is just as good, you're bound to get lucky at some point along the way. There are tons of devil mobs to fill her team that can easily be farmed. Big Baddie, Hera and Vamp are very easy and will carry you a long way.
Just to give you a different opinion
Imo I think she could be a poor starting roll for non iap. She is not a whale team leader like D.tron and Bonia but her best teams to take down the harder descends require REM.
What makes Ronia a good leader is really not her leader skill, her leader skill is pedestrian by all accounts. Its her active skill and row enhancement that make her such a good god.
But to take advantage of this you would need Dark or Red devil subs with row enhancement ability, and I believe most of the good ones are REM only
Read this guide to see if it will be worth it.
http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=40406
Her farmable teams are decent and should beat most stuff but its the awoken focus team that will take down the hard descend bosses.
Also gungho is introducing a new gimmick to dungeons that does not allow awakenings which is a bunch of bs, clearly an attempt to curb the use of Ronia teams.
Not related to this topic in particular, but I think people try way too hard to find patterns in the randomness of REM and other random things. Even if there WAS a pattern of some sort, it would never be something that people can extrapolate casually from their own experience + reading other people's messages on forums.
In fact, given the average rates of getting REM-only gods, you're very likely to experience stretches of 3+ REM gods in a row in your PAD career (and even more likely to experience stretches of 0 REM gods), assuming the whole thing behaves like a dice roll.
If we go with this document here (which is obviously not a controlled sample, but still can be useful for an estimate): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...lBNQUs1WkxUZDRkWmRpMVgzemc&usp=sharing#gid=30
I think it's safe to say that the odds of pulling a REM-exclusive god of any kind in a godfest is around 25% to 40% for one pull. Using a probability matrix and the lower-estimate of 25%, the odds of getting atleast one 3+ REM-God stretch in 50 pulls is 45%. It gets much higher if we use the more likely pull rate of 1 god out of 3, from the data in the google doc.
On the other hand, the odds of getting atleast one stretch of 5+ crappy non-REM-Gods in these same 50 pulls is 99%. Basically, you're going to have many good stretches and many, MANY more awful stretches, which makes people cook up random theories and rituals.
I know people are mostly joking with the window theories and such, but I think it doesn't hurt to clear some lingering doubts in people's minds. The REM is most likely random, and lucky or unlucky stretches are perfectly normal. In fact, it would be very weird if we weren't hearing about people's long stretches of good/bad luck.
In fact, given the average rates of getting REM-only gods, you're very likely to experience stretches of 3+ REM gods in a row in your PAD career (and even more likely to experience stretches of 0 REM gods), assuming the whole thing behaves like a dice roll.
If we go with this document here (which is obviously not a controlled sample, but still can be useful for an estimate): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...lBNQUs1WkxUZDRkWmRpMVgzemc&usp=sharing#gid=30
I think it's safe to say that the odds of pulling a REM-exclusive god of any kind in a godfest is around 25% to 40% for one pull. Using a probability matrix and the lower-estimate of 25%, the odds of getting atleast one 3+ REM-God stretch in 50 pulls is 45%. It gets much higher if we use the more likely pull rate of 1 god out of 3, from the data in the google doc.
On the other hand, the odds of getting atleast one stretch of 5+ crappy non-REM-Gods in these same 50 pulls is 99%. Basically, you're going to have many good stretches and many, MANY more awful stretches, which makes people cook up random theories and rituals.
I know people are mostly joking with the window theories and such, but I think it doesn't hurt to clear some lingering doubts in people's minds. The REM is most likely random, and lucky or unlucky stretches are perfectly normal. In fact, it would be very weird if we weren't hearing about people's long stretches of good/bad luck.
Also I just blew all my non-iap stones in a 0/4 stretch ;_; This is the real secret reason for this post.
CornBurrito
Member
Yes. Inb4 3rd Sonia.
Do the no awakening descends also hurt Kirin a ton?
Are there any descends with no light orbs?
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
There is only one no-awakening descended so far; I beat it with Kirin anyways cause she's that baller.
The two dungeons I can remember that have no light orbs (Lightless Devil's Nest and Nebradisk) are pushovers even on the highest difficulty.
Nope. Mandrake. YOLO!
Seriously had fun with this one. I'm pretty much done at this point. Won't roll again until Dragon Ball. My educated guess is that we will see that leading up to the release of the new film in August.
Unconditional
Member
Pulled 4. Got kush, serpent, ivory dragon, and red Sonia. Good enough for me even though I wanted the Kirin!
I had my soul crushed.
Realistically - I rolled too many times (over 30), I got about 30% gold god eggs that were part of the players choice. I unfortunately had a large number of dupes (and dupes of what I previously had) and did not get what I ultimately wanted.
I have to reconsider my stone buying habits because its just too easy to burn money.
(gods included: Anubis, Kirin, Hades, Kushinadahime, Perseus, Persephone, Kushinadahime, Viper Orochi, Viper Orochi, Ra, Ra, Pandora, Lovely Maden Valyrie)
CornBurrito
Member
It would be cool if you could trade duplicates of gold egg rarity monsters for a magic stone.
I am jealous of all the dudes with kushinadahime.
I am jealous of all the dudes with kushinadahime.
I decided to go for 5 more rolls
I'm starting to believe my own window theory
I immediately roll when I get a super when fusing a monster.
before super fusion
Parvati Forest Gala Trolled dupe for me.
Mtystic flame knight
Fenrir Knight
after Super Fusion
Pandora+1
Luci
Both new gods for me.
I got one more pull will try it again.
I'm starting to believe my own window theory
I immediately roll when I get a super when fusing a monster.
before super fusion
Parvati Forest Gala Trolled dupe for me.
Mtystic flame knight
Fenrir Knight
after Super Fusion
Pandora+1
Luci
Both new gods for me.
I got one more pull will try it again.
maks
Member
Ginyu and freeza seem really good...im thinking dbz rem monsters will be great. A cash cow if they are.
CornBurrito
Member
Stones are going to be hard for me to come by now that I am further into the game. I still need to expand my box so I can hold more evo material. Probably not going to do the DBZ collab REM.
CornBurrito
Member
Yeah, looking at Neptune... he seems bad.
Also, Kirin/DqXq playstyle is fun and scary sometimes. Like "make this combo, or the boss WILL kill you." Kill or be killed. Do or die. All on a single turn.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
If you're clearing Mythical level stuff, Neptune is effectively outclassed by your everything. He is a great lower level lead due to his 55% reduction. Dual Neptune is a great ~70% reduction, which makes some Descended dungeons tankable and safe.
Also, his poison at max level hits for ~11k per turn. Think back to when you had to Lilith enemies to death...Or maybe you never had to go through that pain, haha. But Neptune's poison was tits before the farmable AB Blue Bird or any newer poison options out there.
I imagine Neptune made it in for 2 reasons - veterans wanting to flush out their god collection and new players who have read PDX and see old teams with Neptune lead or sub requirements.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
DBZ REM mobs starting to get spoiled
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy
Tien is really good, basically Ronia for attacker types.
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy
Tien is really good, basically Ronia for attacker types.
thetechkid
Member
Is there a translation up for them?
Misato already did that and nobody really uses her much. Not getting fooled again.
Honestly not impressed with any of the reveals. The golds are decent variations on Chinese/Horus leads, but nothing to go crazy over. The lack of skill ups for anything outside whale-rolling is a downer since GungHo has switched to longer timers for what are essentially double actives. Strip the nuke from these cards and drop the timers by 4-5 turns and I would be rolling every single one. For now I'm not planning on rolling at all.
Yeah, while I like the art and would like to own all of them for nostalgia purposes, I can't see any of them fitting into my current teams. My wallet is safe for this collab.
GillaTheGorilla
Member
Managed to pull a Kirin on my second reroll. Very chuffed, shame I can't even put her in a team yet!
MMBosstones86
Member
power level must over 9000
How are the DBZ mobs? The ones I've seen are very underwhelming thus far.
Not seeing much there, anything I'm missing? I'll throw a roll at it if I get back to 5 stones by the time it comes around. Burned all of mine on the player's choice and some box space.
These collab's have felt underwhelming of late. Last great one was the Batman dungeon, had a great feel to it and everything was useful. Robin, Catwoman and D/D Batman especially as the common pulls from the REM.
MMBosstones86
Member
Most of them are very easy to activate combo leads with pretty sweet awakenings. Most of the Active Skills are meh, but oh well. Personally, I welcome our DBZ overlords...gives more flexibility so you aren't forced to run 2 of the same leads to get a boost.
I think most of them look pretty good so far.
edit : Korin? wtf is that? Why would you add that...
I agree, the Batman REM monsters were really good, these others are mediocre.
Goku = physical/dragon DXDQ
Gohan = non ultimate Horus
Vegeta and Trunks = variations of Chinese god
The rest are unremarkable.
What is it?
All the DBZ characters have Dragon subtypes, Goku and Gohan being the strongest with x4 combo leader skills. Since we've been stuck with HP must be above x amount leads and Zaerog's lame recovery, they are the first realistic Dragon type leads (ignoring their main typings and color typings which would still provide better options).
I don't really see it as a hype derail, just that most of us in this thread have progressed so far in this game that none of us are going to spend a bunch of stones getting a x4 lead. For new players/people who have yet to get one at this point, there are some nice options in here.
Goku's leadership skill is the same as DQXQ, and since all subs from the REM and the dungeon are dragons, there's enough to form a dragon team based on that alone.
Have 2 DQXQ and Ultimate Horus so yeahhhh. I'll skip this one.