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TimeEffect
Member
Yeah but thats a bad balance. All it takes is easy peasy thermiting and fuze and flashbangs and defenders will be done for.
SWEET BABY JESUS! BLITZ CAN SPRINT WITH HIS SHIELD UP!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/c...t_with_his_shield_up/?st=J7SBRL80&sh=bbc35984
PS4 USERS: DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE NEW SIEGE PATCH.
There are cases popping up of players receiving system errors. People cannot invite friends to squads, in-game or out, because the PS4 crashes (system error CE-36329). My and my friend's consoles are affected. Some on r/Rainbow6 are reporting severer issues, i.e. fried hard drives.
Once again, DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE SIEGE PATCH ON PS4.
There are cases popping up of players receiving system errors. People cannot invite friends to squads, in-game or out, because the PS4 crashes (system error CE-36329). My and my friend's consoles are affected. Some on r/Rainbow6 are reporting severer issues, i.e. fried hard drives.
Once again, DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE SIEGE PATCH ON PS4.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
Well that was close. I was still on "preparing to download" so I was able to cancel it.
Considering the lasers are invisible, killing people because they ran into two traps is OP. This way, his traps can independently at best, kill one person and seriously injure another.
I wonder if they'll consider increased the ranked timer now they have all this meta geared towards slowing the attackers down.
Yep 3 min is a bit too low considering how you have to now check for traps and shit. I want 3:30 Min timer.
The hell is this.
So basically I'm down to 3 operators to choose from on attack now. Thatcher, Hibana, or Twitch.
Did they take drones away from the other attackers?
salty_Josh
Member
I don't understand why you guys hate IQ so much. Ubi is making her the strongest attacking operator in the game and you guys still can't accept her as the god she is. What more would it take lol?
Lol.
Or they'll implement whatever they want and maybe if there's a loud enough blowback they will revert the change in the following patch. (Kanal window)
ShadowSoldier89
Member
Can I have Yacht back yet...
Obviously not but my decisions as an attacker are becoming do I take someone that will takeout the traps or to I take a person to take out reinforced walls.
I've wanted to play Jackal more as I didn't play too much of him before I took a break until this Operation but I personally don't see him as a good pick with the amount of traps being set out.
I like Ela but I think she should have 3 prox nades. 4 makes her really strong.
This is all I'm waiting for. Make it happen Ubi.
Primethius
Banned
They should give her grenades to Capitao cause that dude is become increasingly useless with all these traps.
...and give her a Jackal like visor.
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salty_Josh
Member
Lol I shouldn't keep bringing this up because we're just going around in circles but she's really good the way she is. She has a slight skill requirement to be effective with her but once you start realising you have to use her gadget and her nades to make space so you can use her 3 speed and great guns to get frags then she becomes one of the strongest ops on attack. I don't think she needs to be trivialised with the Jackal visor stuff. If you do make it that easy to use her then she ends up taking no skill and you've made a slightly bigger headed Ash.
Capitao is in a difficult spot because he counters Mira really well but obviously not as well as Twitch. He's great at punishing defenders who aren't mobile like all the 3 armour ops. But he definitely needs something to push him over the edge. I feel the grenades allowed him to dominate way too much space. Maybe a buff to his guns to make him better at entry fragging? Maybe a third type of flash arrow? Idk but I don't think grenades are the solution.
AHappyPanda
Member
Mmm, I wouldn't say its fucked up. There's a couple of things that are fucky for sure, but it's still a fun game.
For some reason, the TTS Kapkan buff really puts me off. Like....you just added two more trap operators who combined have 11 traps, now you want to buff an old operator and make the total between just the three of them 16?!
I would have been fine if they gave him the 2 speed/armor buff and removed red lines from his traps but kept them lethal and kept them at 3. There's zero reason why he should be a 1 speed.
I'll laugh when the new Offensive Operator is just a guy/girl who can eat up to 3 traps w/o consequence.
Anyone can take out the traps as long as you're droning, that's my point.
TimeEffect
Member
Kapkan damage is 60 to 3 speed.
45 to 1 speed.
45 to 1 speed.
I will miss the deadly Kapkans if they go this way, but another way to stop the ASH rush i guess.
One of the first things I'm seeing after not playing for months is Kap has invisible lasers. Wtf lol.
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Ardenyal
Member
So, because of a bad visual design decision they take out the random spread which then made the recoil easy and predictable, this was then fixed by making the recoil patterns easy and predictable.
It all just sounds like some bullshit made up to shoehorn in a change to appease a handful of pro players.
It all just sounds like some bullshit made up to shoehorn in a change to appease a handful of pro players.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
wtf, why would you not want a small variance in recoil
mikezilla2
Member
auto download damn it ! ..........
salty_Josh
Member
Becoming a bit too much like csgo if you ask me. Inb4 we need to buy keys with renown to open alpha packs we earn
mikezilla2
Member
Rainbow Six lotto ?
Phatosaurus
Member
I'm completely fine with the recoil changes. No more lucky/random headshots from dumping a full mag in to a wall or window barricade. More accurate ACOG sights.
PeskyToaster
Member
I like luck though. It's part of the thrill of barely escaping a tight situation when the die rolls just right for you.
Primethius
Banned
I'm all for the recoil change. I think it'll be much better for the game.
Phatosaurus
Member
I like luck in the sense of "oh wow, that drone didn't see me and now two guys just walked right past, giving me the drop on them". I don't like luck in the sense of "I just sprayed 10 bullets at thermite's head and the ACOG misalignment and poor netcode in general caused them to miss".
ShadowSoldier89
Member
scope misalignment is bad, but there should be a degree of randomness to the recoil pattern, properly adjusting to the variations is the skill.
Scope misalignment needed to be fixed and that's about it. They didn't have to change recoil patterns. The random headshots you get from wall hanging or shooting a barricade has absolutely nothing to do with the recoil pattern as you are pretty much blind firing at that point and changing the recoil pattern to be less random won't necessarily mean people will stop doing blind fires and wall banging.
There's something else they are going to do now that's make the weapons feel even more homogeneous. Instead of every gun having its own damage drop off they want the damage drop off to be the exact same for every weapon in the same class. So that high damage but medium drop off AR will now have the exact same damage drop off as the medium damage low drop off AR. On top the recoil would be very similar too.
In short all ARs would feel almost exactly the same with a little bit of variation.
These two changes are entirely due to the pro league scene. It feels like the game has focused a bit too much on Pro league where the gameplay is so different from even sweaty ranked matches. Siege isn't like Gears of War where pro players and high ranked online matches have similar moving and playing games and any changes benefit or damage both player base, instead in Siege there is a big difference and as such catering to Pro league too much will sort of alienate the online user base.
There's something else they are going to do now that's make the weapons feel even more homogeneous. Instead of every gun having its own damage drop off they want the damage drop off to be the exact same for every weapon in the same class. So that high damage but medium drop off AR will now have the exact same damage drop off as the medium damage low drop off AR. On top the recoil would be very similar too.
In short all ARs would feel almost exactly the same with a little bit of variation.
These two changes are entirely due to the pro league scene. It feels like the game has focused a bit too much on Pro league where the gameplay is so different from even sweaty ranked matches. Siege isn't like Gears of War where pro players and high ranked online matches have similar moving and playing games and any changes benefit or damage both player base, instead in Siege there is a big difference and as such catering to Pro league too much will sort of alienate the online user base.
PeskyToaster
Member
That's because pros don't know what's fun. They can't handle when things go from Rainbow to Fuckbow but Fuckbow is where I LIVE AND THRIVE
TimeEffect
Member
Yo download the ghost recon beta
salty_Josh
Member
You talking about Wildlands pvp? How is it? Fuck siege let's talk about wildlands
TimeEffect
Member
Yeah. Its fun. Not near as polished and buttery smooth as Siege though
ShadowSoldier89
Member
the only thing that makes me salty in this game is when a teammate steals a kill on a dude im about to interrogate, and it makes me super fucking salty
Phatosaurus
Member
That shit is fucking infuriating and will put you way over the government recommended levels of sodium.
Ftfy
AHappyPanda
Member
You think Siege is polished and smooth?
TimeEffect
Member
Ha the movement is great
Phatosaurus
Member
That and the aiming is really smooth, especially on console.
I played a lot of good FPS games on the PS3 with awful aiming, so I really appreciate it when it's done well. Killlzone 2 had a great multiplayer but the aiming was so awful i could never get into it.
And it'd be so much better if they'd re-assign or fuckin' let the player re-assign lean to something besides the goddamn sticks.
And fuck that dumbass recoil change. It raises the skill ceiling, sure, but it raises it around gunplay. Not strategy. Not mindplay. Mind games are the real bread and butter of Siege, and wherein there's already a Grand Canyon of a skill gap (as there is with the gunplay as it currently is as well). The competitive scene officially has too much sway over the design.
Listen to me, the dumbass forum poster with no real credibility instead. I know what I'm talking about.
TimeEffect
Member
Tons of people are pissed at the change. If Ubisoft cares, they won't go through with it.
I don't mind RNG at all in the recoil. What they have now is both terrible, and very easy to learn/manage and manipulate with macros.
In fact, a script is already out lol.
Ardenyal
Member
It really isn't when you get to the nitty gritty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd3zxFqClMA
Diagonals are bugged, dual zone is terrible, vsync is on in MP causing input lag, same with aim smoothing.
Devs are saying they will look into these things though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKe336w_VXc
Apparently undetectable by battle-eye because the macro is in mouse hardware.
L-O-L. If they put it out in full force it may well be the change be the change that finally nudges me over the edge and out. My interest waned and withered over the course of Op Health then resurged when Blood Orchid landed, only to rapidly wane again now. Fuckin' A man.