Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.

R0C said:
If it had difficulty levels its just a average game.
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All this tells me is that more games should throw out difficulty levels.
Voyevoda said:
Phil Fish seems like a nice guy to me.

Just kidding.
I don't get the hype around FFVII, I find it okay at best.
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In seriousness, I don't think he's "nice," but I think he was really dogpiled on. The guy dealt with a lot of shit, and I do have a lot of sympathy for the fellow. I hope he gets his head back together and comes back.
 
ScottSullivan said:
I bet you feel indie games aren't real games
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I never said that. It just that I am not interested in them or in trying them ergo I would want the money I pay for PS+ to be used on games that may interest me and not wait 6 months for something that may catch my eye. Either that or just give me a PS+ tier where I don't have to complain every single month about the selection of games on PS4.
 
My latest "controversial opinion" is that the batmobile is actually fun and using it during certain areas to assist you is actually a nice touch.
 
gigantor21 said:
The Xbox One rollout showcased the absurdity of MS's vision for the Xbox pretty graphically. It was only after their initial push crashed and burned that they focused on pushing the system as a games console, not the Trojan Horse all-in-one media box they've been trying to peddle for years. And their overreliance on third party multiplats was a problem long before the XOne came out.
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The problem with MS announcement of the XBone is that they got greedy and went all Sony on the gaming industry. By that, I mean they developed a plan thinking that users would follow them simply based on the success of their previous system (like Sony's PS2 to PS3 debacle). I disliked the policy to block used games, but they just made it sound horrible. PCs have been all digital for years, but most hardcore PC master race users (internet term) claim this is the best way to deliver content and I would think it is, since the PC mindset is ahead of the console mindset in this regard. Steam has show it can be successful, but MS failed to deliver a message coherently and though we would follow like rats following cheese blindly.

I do agree with you that MS messaging problem was that they wanted to push an all in one box first, and though of gaming as a secondary feature like mobile phones often do. But us, the fans, primary consumers and early buyers hated that idea. We wanted games to be at the forefront. That IMO was the downfall of the XBone, and how quickly they had to do a 360 on it (punn obviously intended). I didn't mind the all digital future they proposed (I've gone 90% digital this gen), but the way they proposed it was out of whack at the time.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
So you're only interested in AAA retail titles? Because "indie" can cover quite a breadth of title types and depth.
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Zakalwe said:
Do you at least try indie titles, or do you just write them all off because they're not AAA?
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Used to download them and try them but not anymore, I don't see the appeal in most of them and even the ones I liked enough to keep on my HDD I never bother to play them again or even finish them. I know this is a non popular opinion to have on a gaming forum as core centric as Gaf but I would rather pay less for online than to keep getting indie games on PS+ since I actually use a lot of online on PS4 to play UFC, FIFA, NBA, TLOU MP or CoD.
 
I find it annoying when people defend pointless fanservice to the death as though the game would be significantly worse without it. I especially hate when people throw around the label "SJW" at anyone who points out that pointless fanservice is pointless or distasteful.

I'm not against all fanservice, but this is just annoying.
 
Nightmare452 said:
PCs have been all digital for years, but most hardcore PC master race users (internet term) claim this is the best way to deliver content and I would think it is, since the PC mindset is ahead of the console mindset in this regard. Steam has show it can be successful, but MS failed to deliver a message coherently and though we would follow like rats following cheese blindly.

I do agree with you that MS messaging problem was that they wanted to push an all in one box first, and though of gaming as a secondary feature like mobile phones often do.
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Always online requirements are fucking bullshit and the only 'problem with the messaging' is that MS wanted to push always online requirements.
It has nothing to do with PC gamers being mentally ahead of the curve, or the convenience of all digital libraries.
Games that have tried to push unnecessary always online requirements on PC have had similarly negative responses.
 
Destiny it's the best co-op game ever (so far).

Also I don't believe the conspiracy theories that content was cut specifically to sell as DLC. I think it was cut due to normal development issues.
 
All those "quirky" auteur game designers game nerds cream over like swery, Suda51, Ikatagi, etc. don't make very good games.
 
FF6 is extremely overrated. Especially the opera scene and the snow scene at the beginning. People have serious nostalgia issues with this game.

Oblivion, Fallout–all those first person RPG games are unenjoyable to me.

Tomb Raider shits all over Uncharted.
 
ScottSullivan said:
You've been brainwashed by the marketing my friend.
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Lol "wake up sheeple"

Or maybe the game mechanics are just fun.

If you've ever played halo, you'd know how fun it is to replay missions with modifiers.

It's sorta like that for the nightfalls, and the raids are always fun.

Prison of elders is a horde-mode which is fun more me because I really enjoyed that type of mode in Resident Evil and Gears.

As for the crucible, it's unbalanced and chaotic, but I sort of like that since its similar to COD and scratches that COD itch (I mostly play Halo online)
 
Led_Zeppelin said:
PS+ has been terrible for PS4 only games since the release of the PS4, so much that I would want Sony to give me a PS+ tier were I don't have to pay for indie PS+ games that I don't care about and don't download.
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If ps+ didn't go on sale for like $25 bucks each year, then I'd understand.
 
The Last of Us: Left Behind screwed up Ellie's character.

The exploration of Bill's sexuality in the main game was awesome because he's everything mainstream society says gay men are not: Empowered, confident, competent and skilled.

The exploration of Ellie's sexuality in the DLC took a really unique female character and made her into a stereotype. Modern writers still can't write a empowered female character with combat skills and traditionally boyish behavior who is explicitly straight. Nor can they address the huge lack of platonic friendships between female characters in fiction.

Many people treated it as a groundbreaking moment, but making tomboyish girls lesbians is same-old same-old. When Princess Peach starts making out with ladies, then I'll be impressed.
 
qirex said:
All those "quirky" auteur game designers game nerds cream over like swery, Suda51, Ikatagi, etc. don't make very good games.
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I think this is a bit unfair. They make good games, but you have to realize the games aren't for everyone. I like Suda, but there are still games of his that just aren't for me.
Emperor_Uriel said:
The Last of Us: Left Behind screwed up Ellie's character.

The exploration of Bill's sexuality in the main game was awesome because he's everything mainstream society says gay men are not: Empowered, confident, competent and skilled.

The exploration of Ellie's sexuality in the DLC took a really unique female character and made her into a stereotype. Modern writers still can't write a empowered female character with combat skills and traditionally boyish behavior who is explicitly straight. Nor can they address the huge lack of platonic friendships between female characters in fiction.

Many people treated it as a groundbreaking moment, but making tomboyish girls lesbians is same-old same-old. When Princess Peach starts making out with ladies, then I'll be impressed.
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I found this to be thought provoking. The lack of platonic friendships is an interesting point, as is the tomboy point.
 
MasterBalls said:
I find "artsy" games like Ether One, Unfinished Swan and Entwined incredibly fucking boring.
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There are exceptions, but by large I agree with this.

Emperor_Uriel said:
The Last of Us: Left Behind screwed up Ellie's character.

The exploration of Bill's sexuality in the main game was awesome because he's everything mainstream society says gay men are not: Empowered, confident, competent and skilled.

The exploration of Ellie's sexuality in the DLC took a really unique female character and made her into a stereotype. Modern writers still can't write a empowered female character with combat skills and traditionally boyish behavior who is explicitly straight. Nor can they address the huge lack of platonic friendships between female characters in fiction.

Many people treated it as a groundbreaking moment, but making tomboyish girls lesbians is same-old same-old. When Princess Peach starts making out with ladies, then I'll be impressed.
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Wow, I agree with all of this. I personally think they're just trying *too* hard to be "progressive" with Ellie character: Left Behind especially reinforces this thinking so hard in me I enjoyed it less because of it.
 
ThomasAnderson said:
-The PS4 UI is extremely boring and bland. It just lacks soul and personality. Where is the customization?
-XB1 games lineup is vastly superior to the PS4's so far. Time could change this.
-Black Ops 3 looks terrible. Everything from the campaign to multiplayer looks like a step backwards from Advanced Warfare.
-It's a damn shame the WiiU didn't catch on. With 3rd party support, it might have been the only system I owned most of this gen.
-As someone that has Shenmue in his Top 5 all time games, the announcement of 3 didn't stun me the way I was expecting. Maybe the lack of gameplay...
-Neogaf is a pro Sony site
-First impressions are strong as hell in gaming. Outside of the $399.99 announcement at E3 2013 I don't see why the PS4 is so popular.
-VR headsets are going to flop.
-Horizon was the only game @ E3 that had wow factor.

*raises flame shield
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I agree with all of you points but I 1000% agree with the bold. I have all three consoles, but reading some of the comments on Gaf makes me want to throw my PS4 out the window. Sometimes I don't want to post on Gaf because the defense force will get angry.

I'll add, that if you like Xbox One over PS4 for any reason, some people get really pissed off.

Edit: Horizon was absolutely stunning IMO. It really was the only game that blew me away. I am expecting big things from Gorilla and that IP. Best thing at E3 for sure.
 
People that say GAF is pro sony must not have been around for the 360 and the launch of the PS3.

GAF isn't any one thing, but might seem so for people looking for bias since the most popular thing will have more people talking about it.

Emperor_Uriel said:
The Last of Us: Left Behind screwed up Ellie's character.

The exploration of Bill's sexuality in the main game was awesome because he's everything mainstream society says gay men are not: Empowered, confident, competent and skilled.

The exploration of Ellie's sexuality in the DLC took a really unique female character and made her into a stereotype. Modern writers still can't write a empowered female character with combat skills and traditionally boyish behavior who is explicitly straight. Nor can they address the huge lack of platonic friendships between female characters in fiction.

Many people treated it as a groundbreaking moment, but making tomboyish girls lesbians is same-old same-old. When Princess Peach starts making out with ladies, then I'll be impressed.
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One of like, 4 worthwhile posts in this thread. I never thought about it that deeply, but I definitely agree with what you've said.
 
blue_phazon said:
Lol "wake up sheeple"

Or maybe the game mechanics are just fun.

If you've ever played halo, you'd know how fun it is to replay missions with modifiers.

It's sorta like that for the nightfalls, and the raids are always fun.

Prison of elders is a horde-mode which is fun more me because I really enjoyed that type of mode in Resident Evil and Gears.

As for the crucible, it's unbalanced and chaotic, but I sort of like that since its similar to COD and scratches that COD itch (I mostly play Halo online)
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I don't necessarily agree with the cut content being made into DLC, unless it was stuff that just wasn't done in time. I also agree with you that the gameplay is fantastic, however I think Destiny does have a lot of problems. I think the way Light armor works is bad, and that they did not explain the post game that well either because it is literally the same as story missions over and over again. Now while this can be fun occasionally, I am not sure how they managed to stretch this out for so long and why people still kept playing it for months and months after the first DLC was released.
 
Muntu said:
Well, the ones who usually say this are juniors, soo...
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Not at all true, I've been reading Gaf for a long time. I decided to subscribe in 2010. I am 35 years old and have been gaming for almost 30 years. Junior is only applicable to this site and people seem to think that holds true outside of Gaf. I don't have time to post everyday. I'm sure some others don't either. It's just our opinion that Gaf is pro Sony. Nothing more than just opinions...controversial opinion.
 
wumster3000 said:
Not at all true, I've been reading Gaf for a long time. I decided to subscribe in 2010. I am 35 years old and have been gaming for almost 30 years. Junior is only applicable to this site and people seem to think that holds true outside of Gaf. I don't have time to post everyday. I'm sure some others don't either. It's just our opinion that Gaf is pro Sony. Nothing more than just opinions...controversial opinion.
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Uh well, you're not a junior member so I'm obviously not talking about you. From what I've seen, people who say GAF is pro-Sony are generally junior members. Maybe it's cause they've just joined and haven't seen a lot, I dunno. Either way, GAF isn't a hivemind. Saying GAF is pro-something or anti-something is ridiculous and delusional. It may seem so since PS4 is, after all, simply more popular than Xbone or WiiU right now.

e: but like you said, it's your opinion, and you have a right to your opinions. Just as I have a right to the opinion that every post saying GAF is pro something comes off as incredibly whiny.
 
Skilletor said:
People that say GAF is pro sony must not have been around for the 360 and the launch of the PS3.

GAF isn't any one thing, but might seem so for people looking for bias since the most popular thing will have more people talking about it.



One of like, 4 worthwhile posts in this thread. I never thought about it that deeply, but I definitely agree with what you've said.
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Exactly. Gaf used to shit all over Sony and the PS3, but its easier to ignore that to make a point more valid.
 
Nah. Gaf was pro-Sony last gen too.

(Obviously not everyone, but enough of a percentage to consider it heavily weighted toward the company.)
 
I tried Ico and SotC and found them some of the most boring and clunky games I have ever played so have no idea why TLG is getting so much hype as it looks more of the same.

I like Sonic 2 more than Super Mario World.

The Mega Drive (Genesis) was the better gaming platform than the SNES.
 
The writing in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 is awful. The character interactions are good as a mechanic, but the writing is atrocious.

Also, Minsc isn't funny.
 
Emperor_Uriel said:
The Last of Us: Left Behind screwed up Ellie's character.

The exploration of Bill's sexuality in the main game was awesome because he's everything mainstream society says gay men are not: Empowered, confident, competent and skilled.

The exploration of Ellie's sexuality in the DLC took a really unique female character and made her into a stereotype. Modern writers still can't write a empowered female character with combat skills and traditionally boyish behavior who is explicitly straight. Nor can they address the huge lack of platonic friendships between female characters in fiction.

Many people treated it as a groundbreaking moment, but making tomboyish girls lesbians is same-old same-old. When Princess Peach starts making out with ladies, then I'll be impressed.
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Never thought of it that way. Good points, although I still enjoy this shit out of Left Behind and the kindling of more than a friendship between the two characters. I didn't see the stereotype myself, but even so she's still a deeper character than most in games, especially when it comes to female characters. Doesn't help that the game kept Ellie pretty much away from having long-term social interaction with almost anyone beside Joel. Left Behind did seem to make it out that Riley was her only friend, which definitely drives your points. You're argument is good, although I still think it's a pretty great moment in video game writing. Getting better, step-by-step.
 
Muntu said:
Uh well, you're not a junior member so I'm obviously not talking about you. From what I've seen, people who say GAF is pro-Sony are generally junior members. Maybe it's cause they've just joined and haven't seen a lot, I dunno. Either way, GAF isn't a hivemind. Saying GAF is pro-something or anti-something is ridiculous and delusional. It may seem so since PS4 is, after all, simply more popular than Xbone or WiiU right now.

e: but like you said, it's your opinion, and you have a right to your opinions. Just as I have a right to the opinion that every post saying GAF is pro something comes off as incredibly whiny.
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Correct, I am not a Junior but I am just removed from being a Junior. I used to get called out a lot for being a Junior member and it bothers me when Members blame the Junior status for a statement that they deem "Junior" level. But it's nothing though. It's great that we can voice our opinion and not get trashed for it here.

I definitely respect your opinion though. Nothing wrong with a little friendly debate. This is what this thread is for.
 
I think the atmosphere on GAF is generally positive towards Sony's game development in particular. Even there though, they rightfully get some shtick for having a somewhat lackluster lineup early in the console life. Sony really finished out the last gen with a great string of titles, and based on that, people are excited with what's on the horizon (hoho!), especially after E3.

But there's openly expressed negativity towards practically everything else: the DS4's peeling sticks, PSN servers, PS+ game quality, UI design, PS Now, lack of backwards compability, etc.

As has been said, if GAF comes across as "pro-Sony" that's only because it's the most popular console this gen and because of the missteps by the other consoles.
 
Emperor_Uriel said:
The Last of Us: Left Behind screwed up Ellie's character.

The exploration of Bill's sexuality in the main game was awesome because he's everything mainstream society says gay men are not: Empowered, confident, competent and skilled.

The exploration of Ellie's sexuality in the DLC took a really unique female character and made her into a stereotype. Modern writers still can't write a empowered female character with combat skills and traditionally boyish behavior who is explicitly straight. Nor can they address the huge lack of platonic friendships between female characters in fiction.

Many people treated it as a groundbreaking moment, but making tomboyish girls lesbians is same-old same-old. When Princess Peach starts making out with ladies, then I'll be impressed.
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Tomboyish is a trait that often goes hand in hand with the preference. And the characters were written in a very natural way, it didn't feel like the writers were making assumptions or generalising at all.

What we got were two young girls exploring their feelings for each other. It didn't feel forced, or simplified, or some kind of caricature like many stereotypes end up being.

And it certainly wasn't more of the same, it wasnt same old same old. What is same old same old is white heterosexual. We got two LGBT girls, one of them a person of colour, and both incredibly well written. That's a pretty decent step forward.
 
Muntu said:
Not to mention the countless threads complaining about Dualshock 4 quality, PSN servers, PS+ monthly games etc. Feels like one or two of these pop up every other day, and they're mostly filled with agreeing posts.
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All that proves is there are people on here who are not afraid to vent over actual shortcomings of a system.

Also those referencing threads from a few years ago doesn't change the view of Gaf today as pro Sony.
 
I don't feel a super intense need to relate to characters, but people who tell me that because I'm biracial I am already represented in games via white characters piss me off. I can't remember the last white character to actually draw from a culture I'm part of.
 
i hate demon souls
dark souls
dark souls 2
bloodbourne.

i have NO interest to invest time in a game and be able to loose 3 hours of progress by an error.

Gaming is a time waster already
no need to make me feel even more useless while playing games XD.

Oh and i think the combat mechanics are NOT good.

Monster hunter is WAY better and the difficulty curve is WAY better designed.
 
I don't particularly enjoy any of Naughty Dog's games. I wouldn't argue that they're not well-made or whatever. I just don't have fun playing them.

Shame, really, because I was really invested in the characters and adventure of Uncharted. It felt like a real modern day Indiana Jones. I would love a Netflix series or something.
 
Master Milk said:
SF4 sucks and is ugly.
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Its scrubby, and would have ruined the series legacy had it not been for SONY. People only play it because its all there is from Capcom.

Also Nintendo should stop making consoles entirely,and gpus are grossly over priced.
 
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