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Pretty much, yes.
Rap is black music, but Eminem does it better than black artists according to 50cent
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Pretty much, yes.
ThisGuy
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So dark skin then? Because when people say white skinned opinions don't matter, that's what it sounds like.
Unless I'm missing the intention of saying something like that.
jordan0386
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That line of thinking helps push the narrative that White is Right. And thats totally unfair to the pioneers of rap. Who Em has emulated.
Werewolf Jones
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I actually haven't heard a "good" song from Eminem since I was like 14.
When did you turn 14?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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No we are(or at least I am) saying that white people accepting black culture just because they see someone that looks like them emulating it doesn't matter. A poster earlier said that Eminem getting people who didn't care about a piece of black culture before is the reason why he's the GOAT. And I replied by saying white acceptance of black culture doesn't mean shit.
Holy Order Sol
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Why even bother having Eminem-related threads on GAF? They all turn into GAF-Hop playgrounds anyway. When they don't make them for their amusement that is.
Eminem is by far one of the most overrated hip hop artist of all time. Don't get me wrong. He's good. Very good. But not even top five all time. Not even top 10. Maybe top 15. This is of course just my opinion but as someone who listens to hip hop from as early as 84-85ish to everything that comes out today. Well mostly everything. Like to give it all a fair listen to, and eminem is not among the top artist I've heard. But that's just me.
J Cole knows exactly why people say he's the best though. *shrug*
J Cole knows exactly why people say he's the best though. *shrug*
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Fundamentally flawed post. Hip-hop had massive reach well before Eminem with white suburbanites. Public Enemy, NWA, Dre, Cube, Snoop, Pac, Coolio etc. all had reach into that group. Crossovers like Onyx w/ on "Judgement Night" and Orange 9mm were bringing in those more affiliated with the metal/rock scene; yeah their effect wasn't as big as Em's but to pretend like there was NONE of that going on before Em blew up is being disingenuous.
You're turning this into a racial issue when it doesn't have to be, and that's pretty foul on your part as well. Those people criticizing what 50's saying here are probably just being honest and comparing Em to better rappers who happen to be black. Personally I think there are even plenty of white rappers who destroy Eminem, such as Slug and Aesop Rock so it's really more about being honest and saying Em isn't the best rapper out there, never has been, and never will be. All this other stuff about influence, reach etc. doesn't matter, because quality can't always be measured in terms of sales.
Well yeah, it likely would. But then I'd have to wonder how many times someone could smash their head into a wall to call Nirvana trash.
It's just a vicious cycle unfortunately.
Basically.
Ether_Snake
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Canibus is better than Eminem.
Probably last year. The Monster was a good song. Don't try to deny it.
Hip Hop
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I can't get behind this one.
Seriously.
White America was going crazy for artists like Run DMC, NWA, and even white artists like the Beastie Boys, House of Pain, and even....Vanilla Ice.
What Eminem did was went a controversial route in order to sell records. SSLP sold well, but that's because he was Dr. Dre's protege at the time. I remember when "I just don't give a fuck" came out and dudes were like meh...
It had to take MMLP to folks to gather attention towards him, but it was for the wrong reasons. Songs on the album talked about killing gay people, murdering his mom and baby mother, and other wacky shit doesn't register to the general public at all, unless the person is a sociopath. If Em released Infinite...I bet your bottom dollar no one will give a fuck because it's not on the level of "kill sluts, gays, and fuck my mom" that was on MMLP for folks to buy into the controversy.
Bottom line, black people are not salty that Em beat them at their own game and it's Em fans that have this type of feeling end up being the salty ones, because their beloved messiah looking like Larry Holmes rapping struggle bars about poop in 20 and fucking 15.
I can't watch the video because I'm at work, but I've heard 50 make similar statements in past interviews. And 50 is, without qualification, about the money. Meaning when he says Em is "the best" he is talking about units sold. 54+ million or whatever the current number is. I don't think 50 much gives a shit about rapping talent or "the craft", he's talking straight up about commercial success and album sales because that's all he really cares about.
Discotheque
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Seriously kim might be one of the most embarrassing songs of all time. I know he thinks low of it too, he'd never let his daughter hear that crap
Ether_Snake
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His lyrics are off the chart, plus he wouldn't have to rap like he's listing a string of your mama jokes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08s4BlRv1Y
Cole says he's one of the best ever himself. Why cole say that?
Dr. Black Jack
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No shit he is.
I'm pretty sure his daughter is an adult so it's probably too late for that. Probably was too late for it years ago
Hip Hop
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Ah, the older Canibus. In that aspect, yeah, I'd agree with you. He's newer stuff just never hit me again like his old stuff did. But then again, no many old heads could do the same.
Cannabis is better than M&Ms, but M&Ms are better with cannabis...
talisayNon
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fucking gaf lames always gotta mention kendrick
rofl. stop.
rofl. stop.
Ether_Snake
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DMX is better than Eminem!
Angelus Errare
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lmao! Yooo!
Says the lames who keep mentioning Eminem in 2015. Like this dude released a classic this year or something.
I AM PHENOMOADMALKJDLALLLLLLL!
All dude does is make poop songs, and anthems for fucking fight movies and COD. Take that weak shit back to early 2000s.
*zzzzz*
Subpar Spatula
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Yes. His quality has waned over the years. Does it mean he's still not one of the greats? Should MJ or Wayne Gretsky not be considered one of the greats or even the best since they got old and crappy?
Just seems like a lot of salt even considering some of the more named dropped rappers in here consider Eminem great. Fans be weird.
FadedRevolution
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We comparing playing sports to rapping now?
Subpar Spatula
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Yes. It's a literal comparison instead of a legacy and or titled one. Playing football well means you can rap well. You did not understand the comparison.
Angelus Errare
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Congrats on past accomplishments, but that doesn't give you an lifetime pass to never be compared to the new school or be shielded from criticism.
And lol no Eminem isn't the Jordan of rap.
You're correct, he's the Larry Bird of rap.
Subpar Spatula
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And I agree you should be compared to current artists if you're still making your own music. This does not mean his body of work is worse or his overall talent is less than a sort of new comer like J Cole. Even reputable artists people list in this thread like Eminem and say he's good.
I don't get how you got the idea that Eminem is the MJ of rap. Examples... how do they work?!
Whatever cultural relvance Kanye has, it's for being known as the asshole in rap.
I'm sorry, I respect his hustle, he has an insane work-ethic. A 350 dollar shoe that looks like sock with a rubber sole? A shoe that caters to people that care more about what's on their feet, than what's actually going on around them? That's ground breaking to you? Is that "culture"?
He has said on a many occassion, he is culture, he understands culture. What in the fuck does that mean. He knows how to sell an overpriced shoe.
I'm trying to figure out what people define culture as, and I'm unsure if Kanye even has a grasp of what that really is himself.
Shit we're talking about greatest rapper out right now? Who you got.
RellyRell28
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This board lol. Some people just have to accept the fact that the internet doesn't like Em no more. Doesn't mean he bad cause he's not. It's just he's not the same rapper he was when he was younger. He's changed and improved as a rapper in general. The internet counts for a small percentages of rap fan and people I talk to outside of work still say he's great. Hell I played Vegas in my car when my friend was in it the other day and absolutely loved Em's verse. It's whatever though I know this is gonna get ignored or bashed.
This is mostly true, but even though he owes a lot to Masta Ace and Kool G as predecessors, Em in his prime was absolutely a better artist then those two.
Angelus Errare
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You mentioned MJ or Gretsky as your sports analogy I assumed that was the angle you were going for.
Many artists say Drake is great too, doesn't mean I or anyone else has to agree. I think Eminem was great back in 2000s when I was a kid and giggled at how most of his songs were about killing and/or raping his mom, shoving random objects up his ass (dude made a song about gerbils up his ass B), killing his girlfriend, and AKing gay people.
But guess what? Most of us grew the fuck up and realized shits was garbage. Thankfully he actually made some good songs in between all the nonsense. Thus I don't entertain the idea of him being GOAT or any "best ever" acronym you can think of. You call it racism, most of us call it growing out of our prepubescent phase. Yet Eminem hasn't realized that yet and is still putting out tracks about poop, shoving things up peoples ass and all kinds of nonsense. Every once in a while he'll get some wack ass throw away beat he copped off Soundcloud, yell into and send it in to movie studios to use for their next boxing/MMA/argh MUSCLES movie. He might get another beat from Bandcamp and make a song for Activision, and everyone calls it a "great" song when shits are garbage as all the fucks.
Just because Eminem has millions of people who couldn't relate to or otherwise would ever listen to rap but could relate to his music (which when you really think about it...is troubling. Can't relate to wanting money, cars, clothes, a better life....but can totally relate to wanting to rape your moms...okaaaaay). Is a really stupid ass metric for saying who's the greatest.
Subpar Spatula
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That's totally fine and noteworthy and I have no objections to that. A little off side of those specifics, would you disqualify artists who did gangster rap from being GOAT?
? who gives a shit about what people think of him.
Dude has the strongest discography in all of Hip-Hop. His first album popularized backpack rap and got the industry out of the gangster rap shit hole it had been in since the 90s. His fourth album paved the way for Drake, Sean, and many others. He's done more for the genre as a fucking whole than anyone before or after him.
People are just too salty to admit that a middle class black kid from Chicago did more for the genre they hold oh so dear to their hearts than fucking Pac and Biggie did in the 90s. The only sad part about all of this is he will not get any recognition until after he dies.
Exactly...
Nobody is denying Em's skills, but to put him on the pedestal is some Stan shit, people who don't listen to Hip Hop, or stuck in a time paradox and refuse to accept the fact that rappers are not out there in Triple Fat Goose bubble coats anymore. The game done change and for the better. You have a variety of artists to listen to and different types of hip hop to vibe to...
It's crazy how these lazy ass fans that hype up Slim Shady can find 10 underground rock albums, but refuse to dig in the crates for hip hop that doesn't sound like it was done in a bomb shelter.
Bottom line, I like Em and I express my feelings in the thread of what my favorite album was by him....but you got to be a fool to put the man ahead of Nas, Masta Ace, Slick Rick, Rakim, sigh...Jay Z. Even current artists like EL-P, Killer Mike, Kendrick Lamar, Lupe Fiasco, etc.
Beerman462
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Eminem was great at the time and still technically great. I don't listen to a lot of Hip Hop anymore. I've gone through phases from Easy-E/NWA, Dre, Coolio, Tupac, Too Short, ICP,
Busta, Jay-Z, Eminem, Ludacris. I still have a bit of it all on my iPod, but the only thing that gets a listen lately is Kanye and Childish Gambino
Edit: Like others have mentioned. Beastie Boy keep getting left out. RIP Adam
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Edit: Like others have mentioned. Beastie Boy keep getting left out. RIP Adam
Then Em? You are crazy?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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He basically changed the way black men dress, for better or worse.
Shmuppers
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Massive Duck. C.M.
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Succinct, this is
Angelus Errare
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The entire notion of ranking is subjective and a person's cultural upbringing will play into that.
I don't disqualify Eminem from GOAT talk, I say he's not in my top 3 because outside of his technical abilities and a few songs, I've never been a fan of his music because he made stuff I just don't mess with. As I previously stated, talking about putting gerbils in your ass, doing vicodin, raping your mom, killing gay people isn't my cup of tea. I don't relate to it, I love my mom for one, two I have no beef with gay people, and three I don't lodge gerbils up my ass. And while they're just joking and for funs, it still does nothing to change how I feel about the songs. Like if you're a black kid who grew up in the boroughs of NYC, Eminem rapping about raping his mom isn't going to move you much since chances are high your mom is the one putting food on the table and working two jobs to keep you feed and roof over your head. Likewise if you're a white kid who lives at home with both of his parents, and your parents have a real good marriage. Nas talking about life disfranchised and seeing people sell drugs and get gunned down on the corner isn't going to move you.
The same can and is being applied to many posters in here who've never heard of Nas, NWA, etc. It's the reason why they can't comprehend why another poster would put them over Eminem. It never occurs to them that those posters might relate more to those artists than Eminem thus they rate them higher, but at the very same time, use the argument of cultural relativism as their reason why Eminem should be rated as the best.
TL;DR - This entire thread is stupid as fuck and is highly subjective without statistics. It ends up being an argument of one person's cultural viewpoint versus another person's.
You can tell this thread is dumb because we have people arguing that Kanye West wasn't influential.
Subpar Spatula
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Fair enough. Seeing if you were consistent with your logic. I've come across people who will discuss music and disregard artists because of some specifics, but when challenged to say who they like any evidence of wrong doing on their fav is usually dismissed. Weird logic such as what they did was OK, how they were raised, or was the mood at the time.
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