Rap is black music, but Eminem does it better than black artists according to 50cent

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The only thing eminem influenced in my life were the terrible popular kids that bleached their hair and wore muscle shirts while openly using gay slurs in high school...
 
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO said:
Honestly would they they crack a top 40 at this point? His music ages terribly. Dude has no classics.
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Eminem isn't anywhere near my favorite, but to say he has no classics, I don't know.

He's album have aged terribly for the most part, you're right, but some songs are still playable.

Like Stan, that has to be put as one of "the greatest Hip-Hop songs of all time" list for me.
 
Shit that kills me is Eminems music doesnt even bump in the clubs. That shouldnt be the sole factor, but it measures impact.

You gonna shit on every other rapper whov pumps out hits?
 
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO said:
Honestly, I don't think white people's opinions on black music matters. Who cares if they were fucking with them or not? Lol at him trying make white acceptance mean something.
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Dude, I bought Midnight Marauders and Enter the Wu Tang when I was like 9 years old. I've probably listened to hundreds if not thousands of hours of hip hop throughout my life, but I can't have a qualified opinion on hip hop because I'm white? Fuck right off with that
 
The Sarcastic Dude said:
The Marshall Mathers LP is a bonafide classic. The Slim Shady LP and The Eminem Show are arguably classics as well.
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MMLP is worse than SSLP imo. There are some legit shitty tracks on MMLP.


I'd argue that MMLP has better highs than SSLP, but SSLP(And even Em show) is far more consistent.

BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO said:
Honestly, I don't think white people's opinions on black music matters. Who cares if they were fucking with them or not? Lol at him trying make white acceptance mean something.
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Stop this shit fam.

EDIT: saw your other post, nvm then
 
Hip Hop said:
Eminem isn't anywhere near my favorite, but to say he has no classics, I don't know.

He's album have aged terribly for the most part, you're right, but some songs are still playable.

Like Stan, that has to be put as one of "the greatest Hip-Hop songs of all time" list for me.
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No classics albums. I like Stan, my name is and loose yourself. Probably the only classic songs he has.
 
TheOohChild said:
Dude, I bought Midnight Marauders and Enter the Wu Tang when I was like 9 years old. I've probably listened to hundreds if not thousands of hours of hip hop throughout my life, but I can't have a qualified opinion on hip hop because I'm white? Fuck right off with that
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He's saying hip hop's validity shouldn't hinge on white acceptance, not that you can't have an opinion
 
TheOohChild said:
Dude, I bought Midnight Marauders and Enter the Wu Tang when I was like 9 years old. I've probably listened to hundreds if not thousands of hours of hip hop throughout my life, but I can't have a qualified opinion on hip hop because I'm white? Fuck right off with that
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I was talking about white acceptance. White acceptance means jack shit. Who cares if they like a piece of black culture or not?
 
I find it funny how so many say em didn't do this or that...em only did this because of that/place or time. Em lyrically can't touch this guy or that guy.

For some reason or another...his contemporaries always place him among the best to ever do it. It isn't just 50.

This whole debate just looks like a bunch of people downplaying him because he found a certain sound, which he states himself, became massively popular and ran with it.

I don't know why...but these debates always comes down to people not being to appreciate a talent, shitting on them, just to prove their favorite did it better.
 
ksharp said:
I'm in my late 20s, so not really.



Run DMC was only 3x platinum. Every Eminem album did that, at the very least (and that's despite atrocious record sales in the 2000s).



Maybe, but that's the extent of it, really. Not a lot of rappers were extremely successful aside from those - you could add Outkast and Jay-Z but that's more late-90s.
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Nelly, Pac, Outkast, Hammer, Biggie, Lauryn Hill, Will Smith and Snoop all did crazy high numbers before and during Eminems time.
 
Em is one of the GOATS for his flow and popularity. I feel his content is far inferior to the greats but hey, it has it's moments. Really though, his raw talent alone puts him at a very high level.
 
theWB27 said:
I find it funny how so many say em didn't do this or that...em only did this because of that/place or time. Em lyrically can't touch this guy or that guy.

For some reason or another...his contemporaries always place him among the best to ever do it. It isn't just 50.

This whole debate just looks like a bunch of people downplaying him because he found a certain sound, which he states himself, became massively popular and ran with it.

I don't know why...but these debates always comes down to people not being to appreciate a talent, shitting on them, just to prove their favorite did it better.
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I think it's more about white people loving Eminem and calling him the best of all time, so lets downplay any and all accomplishments he's had and paint his entire career as utter shit in retaliation
 
Eminem is a novelty musician who hit at the right time and was lucky enough to have a producer who could make radio friendly beats.
 
I dont know that many "underground" artists but I do like mainstream rap and hip-hop. You would think that I'm a perfect example of an em fan but honestly I think he is bad now.

Doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Kanye West, who has managed to reinvent his sound over his career, and Kendrick Lamar. The two best overall hip-hop artists right now on my opinion.
 
Geo said:
Girl, you know I don't have time for that right now. I would love to send you a full list via PM with recommendations to listen to in a few days though.
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I'll take that list. Love hip hop so new artists of Eminem's caliber or greater is highly appreciated.
 
Seems like revisionist history (and maybe a little racist) to act like eminem wasn't one of the best during his prime.
 
He's absolutely on the all-time list. Best ever is a stretch. I'd tend to agree with the opinion that who has had the most cultural influence is deserving of the "title" of best ever, since music itself is subjective. In my opinion the three most respected still are Nas, Biggie and Pac. Content, lyrical ability, and just plain good music to bump and vibe to, I can always rely on these three artists. I always hear biggie being bumped on the radio. Pac came back to life as a hologram. Nas.. well he created Illmatic.

You can place them in any order you want for whatever reason, but these three will forever resonate as the all-time greats within the HIP-HOP community.
 
For a genre, created by blacks, that they barely wanted to put on TV in the beginning. I don't feel comfortable with the best white artist being crowned as its King.

And beyond the racial angle, for me. The hype is similar to MJ's stanship. We all know KAJ is the true GOAT of hoops. But all the most recent highlights that we can remember is of MJ.

I dont have enough knowledge of rap, other than pressing play and listening and enjoying. But I cant co-sign Em as "the best ever". Just screams too much of something America would do, lol.
 
Banglish said:
He's absolutely on the all-time list. Best ever is a stretch. I'd tend to agree with the opinion that who has had the most cultural influence is deserving of the "title" of best ever, since music itself is subjective. In my opinion the three most respected still are Nas, Biggie and Pac. Content, lyrical ability, and just plain good music to bump and vibe to, I can always rely on these three artists. I always hear biggie being bumped on the radio. Pac came back to life as a hologram. Nas.. well he created Illmatic.

You can place them in any order you want for whatever reason, but these three will forever resonate as the all-time greats within the HIP-HOP community.
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Kanye is one of the GOATs then.
 
Cultural influence is an opinion that is shocking...based on one's cultural upbringing. Thus it's not racist or even shocking the black people wouldn't see Eminem as a cultural influence on blacks the same way white people wouldn't see Nas, Tupac or Biggie as a culturally influential on whites.

Yet here people are...arguing it. And if cultural influence is the only meter then Kanye West's impact is just as big, so are we also saying that Ye is the best rapper alive?
 
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO said:
Honestly, I don't think white people's opinions on black music matters. Who cares if they were fucking with them or not? Lol at him trying to make white acceptance mean something.
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That's not what this is about with us smarter posters, but lol at trying to push the idea. So I'm guessing if a black person had an opinion on, say, Nirvana, that opinion is invalidated b/c in your eyes that's "white people music"?

Trash opinion you have. Trash opinion.
 
So what some posters are saying is that someone of black skin is superior when it comes to taste in hip hop?

That's honestly what it sounds like. I would like to know why. Trying not to be confrontational, but it sounds racist as fuck.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
That's not what this is about with us smarter posters, but lol at trying to push the idea. So I'm guessing if a black person had an opinion on, say, Nirvana, that opinion is invalidated b/c in your eyes that's "white people music"?

Trash opinion you have. Trash opinion.
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While I agree with you completely. Let's not pretend if BET made a list of "best rock groups of the 90s" and called Nirvana trash or something that the same ish going down in this thread wouldn't go down in that thread.

I'd argue it'd be MUUUUUUCH worse.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
That's not what this is about with us smarter posters, but lol at trying to push the idea. So I'm guessing if a black person had an opinion on, say, Nirvana, that opinion is invalidated b/c in your eyes that's "white people music"?

Trash opinion you have. Trash opinion.
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Read my previous posts before you post shit like this.
 
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