Colantonio left Arkane either around the time MS took over Zenimax or right before. He's no longer employed by Zenimax and has already shipped a game since then.When your own devs are publicly outing the CEO's BS, it's not a good look.
Spencer and Booty needed to go a long time ago.
Terrible take. Everything went over your head.When devs get scared, you know you're getting an actual good deal as a consumer. None of these developers have to participate in it. What they're worried about is not being able to compete against it and have people buy their games for $80. Good, I hope they lose sleep over it. Seeing developers openly trying to push for price collusion shows you how threatened they are. They are scared you're getting a good deal, scared that you have a lot to play. They want you to have less options that cost more.
Whats especially hilarious is someone from Larian parroting this bullshit. Reminds me of the complaints about Baldurs Gate offering the consumer too much at too high quality so other developers started complaining about it. Pretty ironic they are just as quick to do that same kind of complaining. A lot of developers have this tendency to treat the consumer like trash and like they are owed their money. Make a product we want at a price we want or retire. These complaints are the screeching of someone getting beat on price and selection
Larian's Head of Publishing in the comments, safe to say the gloves are off.
When devs get scared, you know you're getting an actual good deal as a consumer. None of these developers have to participate in it. What they're worried about is not being able to compete against it and have people buy their games for $80. Good, I hope they lose sleep over it. Seeing developers openly trying to push for price collusion shows you how threatened they are. They are scared you're getting a good deal, scared that you have a lot to play. They want you to have less options that cost more.
Whats especially hilarious is someone from Larian parroting this bullshit. Reminds me of the complaints about Baldurs Gate offering the consumer too much at too high quality so other developers started complaining about it. Pretty ironic they are just as quick to do that same kind of complaining. A lot of developers have this tendency to treat the consumer like trash and like they are owed their money. Make a product we want at a price we want or retire. These complaints are the screeching of someone getting beat on price and selection
It is helpful for the ones on it. Layoffs are not related to GP. Its related to dev hell projects and getting out of the exclusive first party hardware model.But rabid fanboys said that this thing is super successful and is an immeasurably helpful for the devs too?
Its a choice. You don't have to do it. EA and Ubisoft both also do it. Sony can do whatever they want. They are in a stronger position than MS so they want to collect the same recurring revenue but offer the consumer far less. The reason they can do that is because Sony fans put up with it and sub anyway. People wouldn't be on GP unless it had very compelling offerings. They have to compete harder.If the economics of Game Pass make any sort of sense, why isn't Sony doing day 1 on first party stuff on their thing?
My friend, these are not massive AAA publishers that are upset their line is trending downwards a bit. They're smaller devs that know that their next game bombing could have them lose everything.When devs get scared, you know you're getting an actual good deal as a consumer. None of these developers have to participate in it. What they're worried about is not being able to compete against it and have people buy their games for $80. Good, I hope they lose sleep over it. Seeing developers openly trying to push for price collusion shows you how threatened they are. They are scared you're getting a good deal, scared that you have a lot to play. They want you to have less options that cost more.
Whats especially hilarious is someone from Larian parroting this bullshit. Reminds me of the complaints about Baldurs Gate offering the consumer too much at too high quality so other developers started complaining about it. Pretty ironic they are just as quick to do that same kind of complaining. A lot of developers have this tendency to treat the consumer like trash and like they are owed their money. Make a product we want at a price we want or retire. These complaints are the screeching of someone getting beat on price and selection
One of the strangest replies I've ever seen tbh. "Devs scared so it must be a great deal".Terrible take. Everything went over your head.
Exactly correct.Microsoft ruthlessly cracked down on their gaming business and have clearly wielded cancellations and layoffs for struggling areas…but we're supposed to believe GP is cratering their business even when they've left it alone?
The tweets in the OP say GP is only being sustained by Microsoft's 'infinite money' meanwhile they just canceled projects and killed studios because they clearly aren't willing to spend 'infinite money'
Gamepass works for me as a consumer.
When devs get scared, you know you're getting an actual good deal as a consumer. None of these developers have to participate in it. What they're worried about is not being able to compete against it and have people buy their games for $80. Good, I hope they lose sleep over it. Seeing developers openly trying to push for price collusion shows you how threatened they are. They are scared you're getting a good deal, scared that you have a lot to play. They want you to have less options that cost more.
Whats especially hilarious is someone from Larian parroting this bullshit. Reminds me of the complaints about Baldurs Gate offering the consumer too much at too high quality so other developers started complaining about it. Pretty ironic they are just as quick to do that same kind of complaining. A lot of developers have this tendency to treat the consumer like trash and like they are owed their money. Make a product we want at a price we want or retire. These complaints are the screeching of someone getting beat on price and selection
MS don't releasing GP profits is the main proof the service is unsustainable.They don't provide any numbers but I'm supposed to take their word that Game Pass is only sustainable because it is subsidized by microsoft? Game Pass Ultimate isn't even particularly cheap anymore.
If the economics of Game Pass make any sort of sense, why isn't Sony doing day 1 on first party stuff on their thing?
Have AC Shadows or any other game from Ubi launched on their subscription service on day one?Its a choice. You don't have to do it. EA and Ubisoft both also do it.
Legacy titles can actually benefit greatly from a sub service because you would see a similar effect to when a film bombs in the cinemas but does great on DVD/Streaming. It's a second chance at relevance essentially.Yup I let my sub run out it has become obvious to me that the current GP structure is bad for the industry it definitely should be just for legacy titles. Conditioning a player base that games are eventually coming to a service is detrimental to sales it was disingenuous how the media sold it as a service that increased game sales just because Phil said so.
They don't provide any numbers but I'm supposed to take their word that Game Pass is only sustainable because it is subsidized by microsoft? Game Pass Ultimate isn't even particularly cheap anymore.
Of course.Have AC Shadows or any other game from Ubi launched on their subscription service on day one?
Or any from EA?
Genuine question
My friend, these are not massive AAA publishers that are upset their line is trending downwards a bit. They're smaller devs that know that their next game bombing could have them lose everything.
As if we didn't just see Microsoft do like 5 mass layoffs in 18 months!
Literally all that matters to me, everything else is just noiseGamepass works for me as a consumer.
So many people went against simple logic.
Devs & Publishers basically sold their soul & would have been at the Marcy of Microsoft if this would have killed off retail sales
Thread 'Game Pass is hurting day one software sales on Xbox could this push publishers & devs away from Xbox Scarlett or will they wait it out?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...ox-scarlett-or-will-they-wait-it-out.1508392/
Small indies are actually a different story because the budgets are vastly lower, and most of them are multiplat, so they take the visibility from a GP day 1 inclusion and parlay it into sales on other platforms. But even that is now risky too.But we've heard from quite a number of smaller devs that praise the service so…
I mean they can't shutter it overnight can they? That would be a massive loss of face (and it would probably completely crater the revenue from the consumers that got used to playing "for free").guess which service they kept even through all these layoffs?
Sony is literally touting how they did it with no day 1 AAA titles, and even told reporters that they'll never do it.Game Pass is not the problem. If it were, Sony wouldn't celebrate the success they're having with increased PS Plus Premium subscriptions.
They don't provide any numbers but I'm supposed to take their word that Game Pass is only sustainable because it is subsidized by microsoft? Game Pass Ultimate isn't even particularly cheap anymore.
If the price people want is $0 it is equally unsustainable… anyways the other problem with the GamePass model is that you have a single party, MS, deciding what how the service redistributes part of its revenue back to devs and it affects how games are designed and sold too.When devs get scared, you know you're getting an actual good deal as a consumer. None of these developers have to participate in it. What they're worried about is not being able to compete against it and have people buy their games for $80. Good, I hope they lose sleep over it. Seeing developers openly trying to push for price collusion shows you how threatened they are. They are scared you're getting a good deal, scared that you have a lot to play. They want you to have less options that cost more.
Whats especially hilarious is someone from Larian parroting this bullshit. Reminds me of the complaints about Baldurs Gate offering the consumer too much at too high quality so other developers started complaining about it. Pretty ironic they are just as quick to do that same kind of complaining. A lot of developers have this tendency to treat the consumer like trash and like they are owed their money. Make a product we want at a price we want or retire. These complaints are the screeching of someone getting beat on price and selection
No.It is helpful for the ones on it. Layoffs are not related to GP. Its related to dev hell projects and getting out of the exclusive first party hardware model.
These people are complaining because they have to compete against it.
Its a choice. You don't have to do it. EA and Ubisoft both also do it. Sony can do whatever they want. They are in a stronger position than MS so they want to collect the same recurring revenue but offer the consumer far less. The reason they can do that is because Sony fans put up with it and sub anyway. People wouldn't be on GP unless it had very compelling offerings. They have to compete harder.
Yep, this was their "very pro consumer" (sarcasm) goal and some people are more than happy to reach it if it means they get a few years of games at a very low cost… Turkeys do get fed before Thanksgiving tooYes, Microsoft's failed idea with GP was to outspend any other gamesub by putting a lot of games on it day one there in order to kill all the other gamesubs, and also to kill the currently mainstream business model in gaming that is focused on selling games, which would destroy the other console platform holders.
Since MS gets a ton of money thanks to the government, military, Windows and other divisions could afford to keep dozens of billions in the process, something the other console or PC platform holders can't. By killing every other platform holder, they'd dominate the market and would be able to raise price
No trying to defend GP but what does it have to do with all those layoffs? I think those are because of it's studios being unable of releasing any games like Perfect Dark, Fable or Gears.Go ask those thousands of developers who've lost their jobs if gamepass is good for the industry. Stop gaslighting and shilling.
If it weren't for gamepass I wouldn't have played many of the games on the service. It's totally necessary especially in the day today where games are more expensive.
No trying to defend GP but what does it have to do with all those layoffs? I think those are because of it's studios being unable of releasing any games like Perfect Dark, Fable or Gears.
I'd put the blame on bad (terrible) studio management and shitty hiring practices instead.