Why are we always talking about Sony and Microsoft in the console war when Nintendo is the only clear winner?

True, this is the real console war

When Microsoft start selling over 100m consoles we might take them into consideration

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Hyet said:
Outselling both so there's no point in debating this since the point OP is making is that Nintendo won the console wars in terms of sales.
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There is a point because the "console war" resets every generation if we are going strictly by sales.
 
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vodka-bull said:
After seeing the Switch 2 reveal, Nintendo's still competing with PS4 tech rather then real competition. Pathetic. C Button for what, chat? Wow, what an incredible feature! Games priced at 90€ is a joke as well. And the chat's quality is like the quality we had on an iPhone 1. Screen isn't even OLED lol.

At this point I don't think Nintendo's even joking. I believe they're serious with this.

But what did we expect? The people responsible for this can't even wear fitting suits….
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Heheh. Such a pathetically serious use of the word pathetic.

What big ideas would you have expected to see?
 
It's fun watch people who clearly want to rage about Nintendo being #1 whenever they easily demolish competition like thy did yesterday.
 
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Nintendo do their own thing.
  • They attached them self's to portable consoles and their only real competitor is the Steam Deck.
  • Their closed system makes them appear as a clear 2nd option to those who would think of buying another system, as everything about them requires a separate investment.
  • Their first parties never drop in price and they are often the whole reason for buying their consoles, as the rest of the games (as mentioned bellow) don't matter, so many gamers make up their minds early on whether they are going to invest in them.
  • Third parties don't stand a chance against their first parties, as the fanboys don't even look at them, their quality often feels inferior, and they generally go unnoticed unless discounted.
  • Multiplatforms in particular suffer greatly as their downgrade becomes obvious compared to the more powerful machines.

Having said that, I can see them gaining some ground in this generation, mostly because the alternatives are suffering.
Microsoft got them self's out of the race and Sony will face their own crisis as the AAA gaming that could make use of the extra firepower is imploding from the weight of the expectations and price, and their actual consoles with their emphasis on digital, patches, installs and different console models, fail to differentiate them selves from PCs.
If Nintendo plays their cards right they could get some of that audience that still want a console experience that is leaking out.
 
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I don't care what happens to broken games, they speak for themselves and that has nothing to do with liking the switch more than other consoles. And also I don't think all switch buyers share the same reason, they disagree with each other and you can't make solid reason why they like the switch more.
 
Honestly, I don't see Nintendo as a winner, unless we're only talking about global unit sales. In the home console market, the PS5 and XSX are leading the way, while the Switch dominates the handheld sector. I don't see a clear winner; I just see personal preferences based on how each of us experiences gaming.
If you ask me, I much prefer the heavily criticized XSX over the Switch, by a long shot.
 
Caio said:
Honestly, I don't see Nintendo as a winner, unless we're only talking about global unit sales. In the home console market, the PS5 and XSX are leading the way, while the Switch dominates the handheld sector. I don't see a clear winner; I just see personal preferences based on how each of us experiences gaming.
If you ask me, I much prefer the heavily criticized XSX over the Switch, by a long shot.
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Nintendo has always been the clear winner. It's just an inconvenient truth for some fans who want Sony to be first. So Nintendo gets sidelined as going for a different audience or some other nonsense.

If anything beats Switch 2, it won't be Sony. It will be Nintendo's decision to charge an absurd amount for their games.
 
"clear winner" in what kind of games? Shitty platformer with cartoony characters running at 720p 30 fps? Guess what? Some adults actually think those games suck shit and are for kids.
 
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Rush2112 said:
"clear winner" in what kind of games? Shitty platformer with cartoony characters running at 720p 30 fps? Guess what? Some adults actually think those games suck shit and are for kids.
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That's exactly how I see ps5 games sub 4K 30 fps max 60…those console are shit and for kids 😜
 
Because they're too busy jerking each other off to mediocre DEI woke Western slop like AC and the graphics to know what good games are.
 
SmokedMeat said:
Nintendo has always been the clear winner. It's just an inconvenient truth for some fans who want Sony to be first. So Nintendo gets sidelined as going for a different audience or some other nonsense.

If anything beats Switch 2, it won't be Sony. It will be Nintendo's decision to charge an absurd amount for their games.
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It isn't nonsense to point out the differences in the markets that these products live in. If we are going to point to "inconvenient truths" then start there. The fact that Nintendo believes they can "charge an absurd amount for their games" shows they don't see themselves in competition with PlayStation either.
 
IDKFA said:
People have short memories.

Nintendo have never had back to back successful home consoles.

They were on a huge losing streak after the NES. The SNES sold less than the NES. The N64 sold less than the SNES and the Gamecube then sold less than the N64.

The struck gold with the Wii, threw it away with the Wii U and then got success again with the Switch.

Previously they also had a successful handheld consoles business to fall back on, but now they only have the single system. With the current prices announced, this could go badly for Nintendo.
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Exactly every big game company has had this happen to them sony with the ps3 ms with the xbone nintendo ain't exempt and history has proven that
 
Topher said:
It isn't nonsense to point out the differences in the markets that these products live in. If we are going to point to "inconvenient truths" then start there. The fact that Nintendo believes they can "charge an absurd amount for their games" shows they don't see themselves in competition with PlayStation either.
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I've never bought the arguments that these gaming companies aren't in competition with one another. They can certainly focus on subsets of that market to differentiate from one another, but that's merely strategy in how you compete. As far as pricing structure is concerned, Nintendo has learned over time not to devalue their software in hopes of instilling in customers that it isn't beneficial to wait for price drops. Other companies have been doing this too, but not as aggressively. Just look at modern Steam sales which seem "bad" in comparison to ten years ago when everything was a race to the bottom. There is a reason Sekiro is always $29.99 (50%) or that Rockstar titles always end up at the same price and never at their historical lows. Publishers have just set the discount floors higher. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have Ubisoft which has massive discounts within months of launching a title. Even if you love their games, I have no idea why you'd buy one of their titles at launch.
 
Sony and Microsoft compete with each other; Nintendo is doing its own thing. Nintendo dominates the handheld space.

I think of them as two different markets, Sony and Nintendo. Some overlap, of course.
 
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Nintendo doesn't count as "harwdware". They make 3 generation old tech toys with gimmicks, for less money. It's a toy, not part of the "console wars" (which are behind the comprehension of anyone over 12 anyway)
 
bender said:
I've never bought the arguments that these gaming companies aren't in competition with one another. They can certainly focus on subsets of that market to differentiate from one another, but that's merely strategy in how you compete. As far as pricing structure is concerned, Nintendo has learned over time not to devalue their software in hopes of instilling in customers that it isn't beneficial to wait for price drops. Other companies have been doing this too, but not as aggressively. Just look at modern Steam sales which seem "bad" in comparison to ten years ago when everything was a race to the bottom. There is a reason Sekiro is always $29.99 (50%) or that Rockstar titles always end up at the same price and never at their historical lows. Publishers have just set the discount floors higher. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have Ubisoft which has massive discounts within months of launching a title. Even if you love their games, I have no idea why you'd buy one of their titles at launch.
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To me, it goes back to the games. Switch is dominated by Nintendo games and Xbox/PS are dominated by multiplats. The people who want Nintendo games are not considering the other two and those who want the Call of Duty's and Maddens are not considering Switch. That's not universal, obviously, but I think it is generally true. The reason for this is what you said: Nintendo's need to differentiate from Xbox and PS. They carved out a space where they sit alone in handhelds. This is why, to go back to the original question of the thread, that Switch is left out of the conversation with Xbox and PS so often. The DF threads are a good example. Switch isn't a part of that because the games are not on Switch. Xbox and PlayStation are just so much more alike in every aspect and Switch is the outsider.
 
REDRZA MWS said:
Nintendo doesn't count as "harwdware". They make 3 generation old tech toys with gimmicks, for less money. It's a toy, not part of the "console wars" (which are behind the comprehension of anyone over 12 anyway)
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While a PS5 is primarily a video game console, it could be considered a toy in the sense that it is used for entertainment and play, but it's more accurately described as a piece of technology. 😜
 
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OverHeat said:
While a PS5 is primarily a video game console, it could be considered a toy in the sense that it is used for entertainment and play, but it's more accurately described as a piece of technology. 😜
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Yeah, they are all "toys" if we are going to call Switch that.
 
Topher said:
Yeah, they are all "toys" if we are going to call Switch that.
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All video game consoles are toys. We can try to make them sound sophisticated by calling them tech devices or whatever but at the end of the day we still primarily use them to play.
 
Dynasty8 said:
Sure, but one is focused way more (or even entirely) on a certain demographic.
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Perhaps, but we are on a forum where we have a sizable number of Nintendo fans who are also full-grown adults. Personally, I don't see cartoonish Nintendo games as just games for children.
 
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Perhaps, but we are on a forum where we have a sizable number of Nintendo fans who are also full-grown adults. Personally, I don't see cartoonish Nintendo games as just games for children.
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Agreed, not busting anyone's balls for enjoying Nintendo games. I enjoy them from time to time as well.. The demographic I am referring to is family friendly, children and nostalgic fans, which there are many.

The other consoles and PC's cater more towards hardcore gamers, enthusiasts, casuals and is far more appealing to adults. It's far more the "sexier" product and pushes the technology further.

Basically, we need both.
 
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Soodanim said:
A war needs an opponent, and Nintendo realised the war was a wasted effort a long time ago.
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Yeah, I agree. The way I see it, Nintendo in the long run helps push the industry alongside Sony, Steam and Microsoft. I want my kids to experience and enjoy Nintendo games as I did when I was younger.

Eventually that opens the door to experience other consoles and PC's and really expands the hobby.
 
There are no wars and there is no winner. There are companies engaging in competitive business. Can we please change this stupid colloquialism?
 
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I don't get the correlation.
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The toy industry is treated as expendable goods with very limited runs of products. When video games first came out, they were treated the same way. As video games have evolved and have been compared to books and movies, they have still been treated the same way.

That's a problem.

I can go find old movies or books that people have called classics and purchase them legally. In order to do the same with games, I have to either:

A) Hope and wait for an official re-release or remaster
B) Pirate and Emulate
C) Give up if the game is somehow lost forever

Imagine how infuriating the movie industry had been if they had been treated like the toy industry, and the only way to watch Terminator 1 would be from an old DVDrip with visual errors.
 
Well…… I just saw the words 'console war' in the thread title, so I figured I may aswell join in the rumble. Who's winning so far in here? I'll join the losing side to make it more even.



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OverHeat said:
While a PS5 is primarily a video game console, it could be considered a toy in the sense that it is used for entertainment and play, but it's more accurately described as a piece of technology. 😜
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You know damn well what I mean. Sony doesn't just develops games, theyboroduce top tier harwdware worth every penny, every generation.

Wii mites, Wii U screens, re wrapped GameCubes, they are a steady 3 generations behind , needing some gimmick, I'd hardly consider it "technilogy", it's a toy.
 
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