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Reddit bans two prominent alt-right subreddits

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The Kree

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torre_avenue said:
I mean, it's the free speech argument and the slippery slope. Yes, they're garbage but they're entitled to their free discussion.There's also the fact that once they're banned, the cockroaches will just split up and flee to different "special snowflake" zones, making it harder to keep track of them.

It's a thorny problem that can't really be solved.
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Do me a favor. Walk into your job and start calling your bosses and coworkers racial and gender slurs and act surprised when you get fired.
 
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ryseing

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Crimson_Echidna said:
And r/TheRedPill and r/KotakuInAction
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I think it's worth repeating. Those two, like The_Donald, have people with shitty opinions, but their mods manage to keep things from going too out of hand. The subs banned today were condoning Nazi ideology and not even attempting to hide it. Altright also was involved in some doxxing crap, which was the final straw. Those three subs aren't stupid enough to get involved in something like that since they know they're on thin ice.
 
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GARlockSpiral

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The Kree said:
Do me a favor. Walk into your job and start calling your bosses and coworkers racial and gender slurs and act surprised when you get fired.
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Free speech and the consequences thereof are two different topics.

You have every right to call your boss the N-word. The government hasn't declared that illegal. Doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to fire you in return.
 
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QuantumSquid

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smokeandmirrors said:
i suspect they harbor the same beliefs.

they had their opportunity to avoid letting the site turn into a white supremacist site but noooo my free speech1!!
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if they delete the_donald the people who post there will just filter out to other subs

better to keep them all in one place. they already made it so the_donald posts don't show up on r/all.
 
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ZeoVGM

Banned
QuantumSquid said:
if they delete the_donald the people who post there will just filter out to other subs

better to keep them all in one place. they already made it so the_donald posts don't show up on r/all.
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I don't believe there's any logic to this. Having a strong single point is better than a bunch of random racists on other subs, where they would likely get banned.
 
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The Kree

Banned
GARlockSpiral said:
Free speech and the consequences thereof are two different topics.

You have every right to call your boss the N-word. The government hasn't declared that illegal. Doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to fire you in return.
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Exactly. Shutting down a subreddit is comparable to being fired in that neither one is a violation of free speech.

Anybody talking about free speech violations in this situation doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
ElRenoRaven

ElRenoRaven

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Good for reddit. Sadly the trash will just go to the site that was set up by communities kicked from there if they already haven't.
 
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Permanently A

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Linkura said:
This means nothing if The_Donald isn't banned.
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Let's make a distinction here.

/r/altright was blatantly and clearly anti-semitic and racist. They openly discussed and advocated for "peaceful ethnic cleansing." They are white supremacists. They believe the Holocaust was a hoax, or that the real tragedy was the genocide of 15 million Germans. When the Quebec terrorist was revealed to be an alt righter, there was a thread on /r/altright discussing how best to distance themselves and their movement from the terrorist, acknowledging that he was clearly one of them. In this thread, several commentors refused to disavow his actions. Many agreed that this act was correct, and disagreeing would be "cucking themselves." One poster referred to Muslims as "enemies."

No matter how much you may dislike or disagree with /r/the_Donald, it simply doesn't even hold a candle to the utter repugnance that was /r/altright. It was LITERALLY a Nazi forum. /r/the_Donald is not.
 
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Nokterian

Member
Now i want to see Jack ban every alt right on twitter, he didn't do anything about that..fuck even the punch nazi is verified.
 
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jellies_two

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Permanently A said:
Let's make a distinction here.

/r/altright was blatantly and clearly anti-semitic and racist. They openly discussed and advocated for "peaceful ethnic cleansing." They are white supremacists. They believe the Holocaust was a hoax, or that the real tragedy was the genocide of 15 million Germans. When the Quebec terrorist was revealed to be an alt righter, there was a thread on /r/altright discussing how best to distance themselves and their movement from the terrorist, acknowledging that he was clearly one of them. In this thread, several commentors refused to disavow his actions. Many agreed that this act was correct, and disagreeing would be "cucking themselves." One poster referred to Muslims as "enemies."

No matter how much you may dislike or disagree with /r/the_Donald, it simply doesn't even hold a candle to the utter repugnance that was /r/altright. It was LITERALLY a Nazi forum. /r/the_Donald is not.
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No lets not make a distinction

I am well aware of how they work as in my job I have to contain some of these people. No argument they can keep on the correct side of whatever weakly enforced rules Reddit has, but the dissemination of hate and lies is just as powerful as the sub Reddit that got banned. They are just smarter about it. Face it Reddit doesn't make enough money to police things, they have to outsource flagging to people who are Little more than a subroutine in a box.
To recognize what they are doing one has to consider the whole message: memes screen names subtle and non subtle suggestions. They all do their little non bannable parts and add together to make a movement and then movement is always experimenting with pushing things a bit further to see where the new line might be.
By giving them a platform they also support a handy private message network that is secret so they can stay organized and calculate how to bend the rules.
 
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Permanently A

Junior Member
jellies_two said:
No lets not make a distinction

I am well aware of how they work as in my job I have to contain some of these people. No argument they can keep on the correct side of whatever weakly enforced rules Reddit has, but the dissemination of hate and lies is just as powerful as the sub Reddit that got banned. They are just smarter about it. Face it Reddit doesn't make enough money to police things, they have to outsource flagging to people who are Little more than a subroutine in a box.
To recognize what they are doing one has to consider the whole message: memes screen names subtle and non subtle suggestions. They all do their little non bannable parts and add together to make a movement and then movement is always experimenting with pushing things a bit further to see where the new line might be.
By giving them a platform they also support a handy private message network that is secret so they can stay organized and calculate how to bend the rules.
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I don't know about that cause I guess I can only see what /r/t_d is on the surface level. But I firmly disagree on /r/t_d being as outright hateful as /r/altright. I saw a lot of /r/t_d posters agreeing with the /r/altright ban today and rightfully calling them out on their shit. Like, I'm not saying I agree with /r/t_d but at least they aren't literal nazis.
 
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Pacotez

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I just too a look at the hot threads on The Donald and I don't agree with it deserving a ban. Without anything illegal happening, wishing for the ban is childish.
 
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FyreWulff

Member
torre_avenue said:
I mean, it's the free speech argument and the slippery slope. Yes, they're garbage but they're entitled to their free discussion.There's also the fact that once they're banned, the cockroaches will just split up and flee to different "special snowflake" zones, making it harder to keep track of them.

It's a thorny problem that can't really be solved.
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Free speech does not exist on private servers.

It's not a thorny problem, it's not even an ethical problem.

And the "they'll become harder to track" is such a bullshit reason to ever give shitlords a megaphone. The entire fucking point is to stop white supremacists from being able to organize easily.
 
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Trouble

Banned
Jesus Christ that voat thread linked in the article.

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Vagabundo

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torre_avenue said:
I mean, it's the free speech argument and the slippery slope. Yes, they're garbage but they're entitled to their free discussion.There's also the fact that once they're banned, the cockroaches will just split up and flee to different "special snowflake" zones, making it harder to keep track of them.

It's a thorny problem that can't really be solved.
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Setup your own server and host these shitbags. No one will stop you. Problem solved.
 
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jellies_two

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Quote from banned sub-reddit mod to a reporter.

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but, last year, before they were sure they would win, the editor at brietbart said,

”One is more accurately described as the New Right. These people like to wear MAGA [Make America Great Again] hats, create memes & have fun," Watson wrote on Facebook, criticizing mainstream media for focusing on Trump's racist supporters. ”They include whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, gays and everyone else. These are the people who helped Trump win the election.

”The other faction likes to fester in dark corners of sub-reddits" — a reference to branches of the social-media site Reddit — ”and obsess about Jews, racial superiority and Adolf Hitler. This is a tiny fringe minority. They had no impact on the election."
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So much for that.

The second one is from the latimes
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-alt-right-analysis-20161121-story.html

the first one is
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/01/reddit-bans-alt-right-group.html
 
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takriel

Member
I wish I could somehow instill a hefty dose of intelligence and humanitarian values into all of those alt-right fuckers.
 
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SuperEpicMan

Banned
I certainly don't disagree with them banning the subreddits and think overall it is the right decision, but to a certain degree I think it is a bit of loss. Reddit and its community offers a fascinating cross section view of society, and though I strongly disagree with the views shared by these particular subreddits, their inclusion gives a more representative view of societal demographics, as well as an opportunity to understand them better.

It is the same reason I read the daily headlines and occasional articles from all the popular UK papers, despite personally disagreeing with papers like the Daily Mail, Express etc.
 
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Deleted member 1235

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jtb said:
Too little, too late. Forget the societal impact, Reddit is a fucking unreadable cesspool and I don't think I'll ever return.
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everytime I read this. reddit isn't '1 thing' if you go to the programming subreddits for instance, you may not see nazis having a field day...

it's a very big website.
 
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SlipperyFishes

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QuickSilverD said:
r/the_donald is not an alt-right subreddit.
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Oh they're totally in the paranoid alt-right bucket of shit

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald...ive_child_sex_ring_busted_in_ca_474_arrested/
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If hollywood and the swamp in D.C. get officially exposed from pizzagate, we will witness a paradigm shift the likes of which we have never seen before.
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Just the tip of the pizza
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Incidentally the Wikipedia article on pizzagate is an absolute disgrace. Whoever is editing that shit has to be someone that is complicit or has some involvement in this.
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Reprehensible shit stains the lot of them.
 
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QuickSilverD

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RinsFury said:
This is a joke, right? It's literally the biggest alt-right hive next to 4chan.
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SlipperyFishes said:
Oh they're totally in the paranoid alt-right bucket of shit
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald...ive_child_sex_ring_busted_in_ca_474_arrested/
Reprehensible shit stains the lot of them.
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You both are confusing being Pro-Trump with being Alt-right, the only thing somewhat similar between them is their opponents.

You'll do well not to misrepresent, if go go that route, you'll end up equating Trump support with nazi support, but maybe some of you believe there are +60 million nazi in America.
jellies_two said:
The_donald is the intro class, let the alt-right forum explain the graduation process:

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That thing you posted disproves your point, they are telling you they are not the same thing, that is what I am saying
 
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Akuun

Looking for meaning in GAF
This means nothing if they let the_donald stay.

It makes no sense to ban these smaller subreddits while leaving t_d alone. That subreddit constantly perpetuates hate and attacks on everything and everyone that is not them.

Would they move to another place if you banned them? Probably. But get them the fuck off your webspace and make them put in that work. Freely continuing them to use your platform to perpetuate their hate is fucking bullshit.
 
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Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
They should just revoke the abilities of the mods of the donald to ban people

Considering how much they whine about libruls and their safe spaces, it only seems fair that they aren't allowed to have one
 
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Alucrid

Banned
QuickSilverD said:
r/the_donald is not an alt-right subreddit.
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neogaf is not a video game forum

QuickSilverD said:
You both are confusing being Pro-Trump with being Alt-right, the only thing somewhat similar between them is their opponents.

You'll do well not to misrepresent, if go go that route, you'll end up equating Trump support with nazi support, but maybe some of you believe there are +60 million nazi in America.
That thing you posted disproves your point, they are telling you they are not the same thing, that is what I am saying
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do you honestly believe that the subreddit is indicative of the average trump voter?
 
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Future

Member
torre_avenue said:
I mean, it's the free speech argument and the slippery slope. Yes, they're garbage but they're entitled to their free discussion.There's also the fact that once they're banned, the cockroaches will just split up and flee to different "special snowflake" zones, making it harder to keep track of them.

It's a thorny problem that can't really be solved.
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It can though. Free speech protects you from arrest. Not Reddit
 
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Rembrandt

Banned
Einchy said:
Came across this guy on Reddit the other day.
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It's sad how common I see those types of people on there.
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I wish they could all live in one community. Like a nice island somewhere.

Then it blows up or a hurricane destroys it.

BronzeWolf said:
Good! Finally

Trump's twitter next
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Never ever going to happen


QuickSilverD said:
That thing you posted disproves your point, they are telling you they are not the same thing, that is what I am saying
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Most of the donald isn't anti establishment, cultural libertarians, though.
 
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