NoblesseOblige
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That's actually what I would be doing if I ran reddit. Full bans for the all those who contributed to those subs. I wouldn't want that filth polluting my community.
Reddit finally bans "Coontown", "WatchN*****sDie", & animated child porn forums
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That's actually what I would be doing if I ran reddit. Full bans for the all those who contributed to those subs. I wouldn't want that filth polluting my community.
A drawing of a black men being lynched by the KKK is not an actual black man. An actual person is not being harmed.
Yet I'm sure you would agree that not only is a picture like that racist, it is harmful.
So how in the living fuck can you still with any sort of integrity argue that my example isn't pedophilic in nature and thus also harmful?
Please tell us all how. We're waiting.
No. That's absolutely wrong. Banning people just because they posted there. I bet a lot of people would leave reddit over that, and not just the people consuming the stuff.
It's okay, they can go to Voat instead.
NoblesseOblige
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It's not "absolutely wrong" because this isn't an issue of right and wrong. If I decided I didn't want racists on my site then I can ban the racists.
But maybe they'd like to see the stuff, without seeing all of the racist, hateful posts. I don't think it's fair to do that.
partyphone
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that would actually be good for reddit. they're trying to build a long term platform and toxic assholes are not conducive to that.
Regardless of whether or not it is harmful, that sort of thing is certainly not something Reddit would want to implicitly be seen supporting.
People who consume lolicon are not toxic assholes. Nor are the people who defend their right.
partyphone
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fair to who? pedophiles?
are we being trolled? is this a work? because this feels like a work.
CadetMahoney
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The problem with this argument is that a legislative body can completely ignore it and not even have to give a counter-argument against it. That's the elephant in the room no one notices in these discussions. If you want a real-world example, in the UK this guys was jailed for cartoon porn:
http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/Lat...d-for-Prohibited-Underage-Manga-Por-6003.aspx
All these disussions why it can't be made illegal are moot if a legislative body will ban it regardless and no one can do anything about it and no one outside of forums will care.
Nope. This is honestly how I feel.
misses bull
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The Technomancer
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Is that the argument we're going with? Racist art is bad because its a choice, lolicon art isn't bad because its an urge?
NoblesseOblige
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Maybe not, but it's still possibly harmful to the site's financials. Who wants to advertise at a place that allows drawings of naked children?
partyphone
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that's exactly what a troll would say!
Racism is learned, pedophilia is not.
It's the same reason prostitution/porn are good to have around- it gives people outlets. I'm not a fan, but I understand why it exists- I just don't want to have it shoved in my face.
that's what someone who consumes the attacked material would say...
Glad to see you think I'm a troll. Just because someone says things you disagree with doesn't mean you can just call them a troll. It's highly offensive and entirely unnecessary.
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Just the like the drawings you're defending.
I was going to say the same thing.
What? No. That's not even the same thing.
partyphone
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okay yeah. you're entirely sincere and openly defending pedophilia. I was trying to think better of you and I'm sorry if I caused any offense.
excelsiorlef
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You're right the drawings are way worse.
I'm not defending pedophilia. I'm defending the right for drawings to exist.
NoblesseOblige
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In that case you can rest assured that the drawings will continue to exist. At least for the time being while it's legal.
Because they are drawings. Not actual real children.
The level of moronity the argument against lolicon has devolved into in this thread is embarrassing. Nothing sells your argument like playground-esque "I know you are but what am I?" bullshit rhetoric.
Yeah, thats pretty much it, we dont know much because the groups are hard to label and its ever evolving due to internet culture, but id sure like to get some sources on drawn erotica being beneficial, im probably biased but it just seems so out there to advice it, maybe there is some very specific cases were it would help but it not exactly the same as some kind of methadone for pedophiles.
I think the point when we are not seeing eye to eye is when it comes to labeling loli hentai stuff as CP, I do not think its a victimless crime like people have been arguing, it might not harm children directly but it puts certain populations at risk of considering engagement.
excelsiorlef
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I find it funny that you got upset that someone dared say you can pick out the animated CP defenders by their anime avatars (a humorous over exaggeration) and then proceeded to defend it whilst having an anime avatar.
notworksafe
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Because it's not funny at all. It only serves to alienate people when you say things like that. Calling someone out on their avatar is completely unnecessary, and always ends in locked threads.
If that drawing depicts explicit child pornography, then yes I think that should be criminally prosecuted.
Does this apply to people with rape fantasies as well? Should Reddit start banning subs about abuse porn (animated and acted out)? Or those that discuss BDSM (y'know, roleplaying rape and abuse)?
My understanding is that most studies don't show that playing violent video games leads to real-life violence, but even if that were true to a small extent I wouldn't want Reddit to ban discussions of God of War or GTA.
I can see why loli is an unpopular thing for Reddit to allow, and I recognize that people are influenced by the media they consume in a lot of subtle ways, but I do feel like in principle this is the sort of reactionary "it's icky therefore ban it" response that some people would encourage for various topics that I don't think should be banned sitewide. Shoot, it wasn't that long ago that popular opinion would've been behind Reddit banning discussion of the merits of socialism/communism and the flaws of capitalism.
Ganzlinger
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I thought that insulting people based on their avatars was a bannable offense. I mean, suggesting that people who use anime avatars are pedophiles is fucked up and not funny. Before avatar quoting, mine is from a Persona game, not an anime.
You know, assuming that "Voat" place is still around and trumpeting itself as the free-speech successor to Reddit, i.e. allowing people to post horrible things, then it's going to become an absolute cesspool of horror pretty quickly.
It'll be like Reddit just took a laxative and Voat is the toilet.
It'll be like Reddit just took a laxative and Voat is the toilet.
sensui-tomo
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The thing people who look at lolicon/ animated arts need is some medical help because boy is that a discussion thats hard to go through, They can't help whom they are attracted to so if their best way to get around it is through art well, its not the worst thing imaginable. people who actually touch kids and look at real live/life CP are horrible and watch something that has ruined someone's life. art, well i see it as their way to get their urges out while not harming anyone but we need to know "How to change who you are attracted to" but that subject ... well if you can do it, you'll bet the religions will attempt the same thing towards those who are LGB and thats a bad way to go
again for clarifcation, I'm not saying pedo= lgb (GOD NO) i'm saying You cant change whom you are attracted to, and changing that is a very very touchy subject. (No puns intended, not being sarcastic)
again for clarifcation, I'm not saying pedo= lgb (GOD NO) i'm saying You cant change whom you are attracted to, and changing that is a very very touchy subject. (No puns intended, not being sarcastic)
See now Lolicon is a strange/difficult case because they purposefully often try to skirt the fact that they're essentially drawn children by making them of age or supernatural etc.
Would you prosecute someone for having a explicit drawing of a Murder? Rape?
And the end of the day, we're talking about Ink on paper and I have a incredibly hard time justifying any sort of jail time.
NoblesseOblige
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If it wants to. I personally wouldn't like it (since I'm into BDSM and kink-culture) however I'm not going to go around the Internet making a fuss about it. In any case I don't see that happening since most adults are okay with adults in consensual porn, even if it depicts certain fantasies. They're less okay with things that depict minors, even animated ones.
Thank you for telling me how I should feel.
Came to post this.
If you wanna draw CP, that's your prerogative, but the people that do that and the people that enjoy it are sick and no one should facilitate or enable their deviancy. Reddit should have banned those subreddits the minute they started popping up.
Trying to argue this point about lolicon isn't going to fly in this forum, fam. I don't even try to do it because it's just going to lead to a lot of caps lock and anger. It's better to just take this somewhere else.
Palpable irony.
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