Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.

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The bolded isn't entirely true though. The gamepad and off-TV gaming has brought a change even for many who do not enjoy gaming on it. Many urban westerners do also have "only" one or two TVs but found it enjoyable to play in a room where the console isn't, or just to not be hogging the TV screen for themselves. I mean, if we're going to account for Nintendo's successes and failures of the WiiU, off-TV gaming has to be in the success column. Sure, it doesn't appeal to everyone and their mother's and it certainly wasn't enough to make the Wii an overall success, but it's not part of its failures as far I can understand. Let's also keep in mind that the PS4 remote play, when it DOES work and devs put time into adapting the control scheme has also been warmly welcomed. It's no stretch to say that's also a success of the WiiU's influence to some extent. As for the Gamepad ergonomics, every thread about it brings a torrent of positive feedback alongside some (considerable but I'm not sure it's more) negative comments. It's not so clear cut.

The debate hangs on whether a console should be built to appeal to the largest number of COD / GTA / FIFA gamers or if there's a place for something different. If there is, the WiiU's failures are only that for the aforementioned category of players. I have no problem with gaming existing in different states on different platforms generating different commercial wealth.

I agree in part on off-TV play, but the problem with filing this under successes is that for a lot of people playing in another room just wasn't possible. Personally, I never managed to get it working more than about 15 feet away in a straight line, so I never got into another room. A lot depended on thickness of walls, doors and other wireless devices around which meant it certainly wasn't the robust semi-remote play solution I'd hoped for.

If they have to keep the second screen with the NX, then they need to make it playable over a home network.
 
The Wii U failed at everything but first party support really. The OS was slow and clunky and would freeze, even at version 5.5 it's garbage. It's friends list and online isn't on par with the others. No party chat, the Eshop is trash with no shopping cart and it's slow. The specs were awful, they somehow released a weaker cpu than the 8 year old 360 in 2012.

The marketing was atrocious, they didn't differentiate it enough from the Wii, and the Wii U was such a stupid name, that many thought it was just a tablet controller add-on. Simply calling it the Wii 2 would have even saved some of those headaches.

And the lack of an internal hdd was a joke, not everyone wants to buy an AC powered external HDD to store their games on.

The gamepad was an expensive mess with a cheap resistive screen, was too big and didn't really enhance games at all or changed the way we played.

It was a small box with low power draw (the PS4 used 250w peak on the launch day model and most people seem fine with that) and advertised off tv play, all things that cater to a Japanese market where houses are smaller, and most houses have one or two televisions. It was never going to work out for the west and the west wasn't taken into consideration at all in its design.

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And let's not forget the embarrassing re-reveal at E3 2012 where people thought they'd blow the lid off all those secret projects they were working on during their year of radio silence. We ended up getting nothing but Reggie fucking around with some Zombi face changing demo, and lots of NintendoLand and Reggie spinning Arkham City Armored Edition as "not the same game, not the same content".

And the Wii U was barren for year 1 because it lacked third party support, and it's other major device, the 3DS, was floundering because it was another failed gimmick that didn't catch on, was overpriced, and also not getting too much third party support.

Al they went full panic mode and pumped out incredible titles in 2012-2013 for the 3DS and cut the price in early 2011 to save that clusterfuck. It's now doing ok.

Then by the time they went back to the Wii U it was essentially dead, with Mario Kart, Smash and Amiibo providing tiny boosts while DKCTF failed to sell over a million copies after its predecessor sold over 6M on Wii. They tried to fill in the gaps by partnering with other studios and picking up dead projects like Bayonetta 2 and Devil's Third, TW101, SMTxFE All sales bombs. They're expensive Xenoblade investment also bombed and got no marketing in the west.

Then a star fox tech demo was shown behind doors, still looks rough around the edges today, Zelda was a no show at E3 2014 and then delayed indefinitely in 2015, when it was all but confirmed the Wii U couldn't be saved and the DeNa NX name drop pretty much meant the end. All major projects after that likely got switched to NX or at least are getting NX ports as the primary focus.

The first-party support is the biggest problem, though. Not that it's lacking in quality, but in that they're preaching to an ever-shrinking choir of fans who attach an immensely high value to Mario, Zelda, etc.
 
It's not doing damned well. It's over five years old, hardware sales have fallen off the cliff even with the New 3DS, and (Pokémon and Dragon Quest aside) the heavy hitters of its lineup are mostly late localisations.

Wii U has been dead for years. It's not likely to get any more dead anytime soon, and so Nintendo don't have to worry about momentum. 3DS, however, has gone from a relatively stable position to dropping like a stone- if they want to use any momentum, they need to release a successor ASAP.

Were I calling the shots, a 3DS replacement would be a much higher priority than a Wii U one. Rejuvenate the actually successful branch of the business first, and try to resurrect the home console business at leisure.

I like your thinking, but handheld is dead, man. Not just because of old hardware but because of the rise of tablets and phone.
 
I feel like they're going to do the semi-shared library thing with like 60-70% of their software overlapping and then for the rest of the games that can only run on the console I feel like they'll employ a remote play-like solution similar to the PS4 and PSVita with a Wii U-to-gamepad-like solution if you're within range of the console.

This seems like the most logical route. I'd be more surprised/disappointed if this didn't happen :/
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4dgb9x/specs_list_leaked_so_far/

Not a bad compiled list of the most recent flood of information

I suppose regardless of whether ANY of this info is good or not it does seem like the leaks are starting to show patterns

And patterns can be a sign of truthful info maybe?

I wouldnt read too much into any of this but there are bit here and there that are reasonable to assume anyways

I love how cautious and reasonable we have become regarding Nintendo hardware leaks lol.
But I agree, these "patterns" are slowly getting me hyped eventhough I know I shouldn't...
 
The first-party support is the biggest problem, though. Not that it's lacking in quality, but in that they're preaching to an ever-shrinking choir of fans who attach an immensely high value to Mario, Zelda, etc.

Wii U didn't have a Mario 64/Galaxy style Mario game, a Zelda game, or a Metroid game. You could argue part of the issue is they never released new entries to somw of their major core franchises.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4dgb9x/specs_list_leaked_so_far/

Not a bad compiled list of the most recent flood of information

I suppose regardless of whether ANY of this info is good or not it does seem like the leaks are starting to show patterns

And patterns can be a sign of truthful info maybe?

I wouldnt read too much into any of this but there are bit here and there that are reasonable to assume anyways

I love how cautious and reasonable we have become regarding Nintendo hardware leaks lol.
But I agree, these "patterns" are slowly getting me hyped eventhough I know I shouldn't...

I'd be wary of that conclusion. Patterns can, and often do, just suggest rumors feeding rumors. One person says something plausible, someone else internalizes it and reposts it in a slightly different way. Doesn't necessarily make it true.
 
Yeah, looking over all this, I'd say the sources seem to be regular users making guesses on logical things Nintendo would enviably use for a modern console.
 
The first-party support is the biggest problem, though. Not that it's lacking in quality, but in that they're preaching to an ever-shrinking choir of fans who attach an immensely high value to Mario, Zelda, etc.

It's lacking in the "you want to buy this" quality, which is the most important one for Nintendo's continued survival.
 
It's lacking in the "you want to buy this" quality, which is the most important one for Nintendo's continued survival.

Well, yes, but I'm saying that that's pretty much inherent to Nintendo's traditional stable of first-party IP at this point. The audience willing to spend $200-300 on hardware to play $40-60 Mario, Zelda, etc. games does not look like a growth market from here.
 
Yeah, looking over all this, I'd say the sources seem to be regular users making guesses on logical things Nintendo would enviably use for a modern console.

Why is a cartridge based next gen console considered "logical" for Nintendo to do? I'm genuinely curious, as I have no clue.
 
How's everybody feeling that maybe we'll get a NX event right after Star Fox Zero releases?

I hope it gets announced next week! I probably won't be able to sleep for like two weeks though lol
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4dgb9x/specs_list_leaked_so_far/

Not a bad compiled list of the most recent flood of information

I suppose regardless of whether ANY of this info is good or not it does seem like the leaks are starting to show patterns

And patterns can be a sign of truthful info maybe?

I wouldnt read too much into any of this but there are bit here and there that are reasonable to assume anyways
Thanks. I think that should be added to the OP.
 
Why is a cartridge based next gen console considered "logical" for Nintendo to do? I'm genuinely curious, as I have no clue.

Probably not traditional cartage. I'd see a tap to install Amiibo for mobile, or plug in amiibos for console. The size of those amiibo stands could house some pretty big sd storage for cheap these days.Sd cards are removable, so you could swap between amiibos if you needed to save more memory onto a certain game.
 
Been at work all day; we still catiously positive after the whole "better than PS4" hype or has another leak smothered our dreams?
 
By dubious you mean mundane, predicted, borderline obvious

Sure the final product will differentiate but by how much?

Well the Nintendo Extra and talk about a 4chan leak is in there. The cartridge thing is very speculative at this point too and a 4chan leak is used to support that.
 
Been at work all day; we still catiously positive after the whole "better than PS4" hype or has another leak smothered our dreams?

A better than Ps4 machine coming out of Nintendo isnt far fetched

Its only reasonable that current mass market chips... Even in the budget spectrum can out perform 3-4 year old hardware.
 
A better than Ps4 machine coming out of Nintendo isnt far fetched

Its only reasonable that current mass market chips... Even in the budget spectrum can out perform 3-4 year old hardware.

I didn't say it was far fetched, it's just great if it's true given...Nintendo's recent history.

But these threads move quickly and 9/10 times the hope is dashed pretty quickly in my experience...
 
I didn't say it was far fetched, it's just great if it's true given...Nintendo's recent history.

Well they are still likely to build a machine that fits the margin profile they typically shoot for on hardware

thankfully the market for parts in its current form offers options that should at least give us a reasonable amount of power for the generation no matter what chipset they go with
 
I could imagine the cart looking something like this.


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Probably not traditional cartage. I'd see a tap to install Amiibo for mobile, or plug in amiibos for console. The size of those amiibo stands could house some pretty big sd storage for cheap these days.Sd cards are removable, so you could swap between amiibos if you needed to save more memory onto a certain game.

Huh that's an interesting idea you have there. I think I'd be on board for that. Sounds fun.
 
Well they are still likely to build a machine that fits the margin profile they typically shoot for on hardware

thankfully the market for parts in its current form offers options that should at least give us a reasonable amount of power for the generation no matter what chipset they go with

You would hope so. It's certainly an interesting time to build a new generation hardware wise. I personally hope Nintendo takes a punt on the new tech available (Polaris, Zen, HBM, yadayada) but they don't have to to outmuscle the immediate competition.
 
So that reddit user who was waiting on getting verified (NXDev16UE4) who posted some info about the NX earlier today seems to have sent his proof to be verified and it looks like it wasn't sufficient enough. Just thought I would let you guys know if you didn't already!

Edit: Just so we're all on the same page, this was the Nintendo Extra guy
 
So that reddit user who was waiting on getting verified (NXDev16UE4) who posted some info about the NX earlier today seems to have sent his proof to be verified and it looks like it wasn't sufficient enough. Just thought I would let you guys know if you didn't already!

Personally I am shocked.
 
So that reddit user who was waiting on getting verified (NXDev16UE4) who posted some info about the NX earlier today seems to have sent his proof to be verified and it looks like it wasn't sufficient enough. Just thought I would let you guys know if you didn't already!

lol

Yup. honestly none of the info being provided is even specific enough to go beyond what people have inferred and predicted already

What we need now is ACTUAL details. Bravo to Nintendo for running a pretty tight ship.. even internally
 
lol

Yup. honestly none of the info being provided is even specific enough to go beyond what people have inferred and predicted already

What we need now is ACTUAL details. Bravo to Nintendo for running a pretty tight ship.. even internally

I like to believe that the ship is so tight because not even Nintendo knows what the damn NX is
 
So that reddit user who was waiting on getting verified (NXDev16UE4) who posted some info about the NX earlier today seems to have sent his proof to be verified and it looks like it wasn't sufficient enough. Just thought I would let you guys know if you didn't already!

Edit: Just so we're all on the same page, this was the Nintendo Extra guy

How do you know it wasn't sufficient?
 
Are you implying this based on the "leak" in here that said that the WSJ did report false things?
I wouldn't trust that one, imo that one tries hard to be negative just for the sake of being negativ, and i'd think that WSJ does have some valid sources in the market.

We're not getting the full story from any source. It's possible the two rumors can be reconciled. Mochizuki was reporting on an impressing looking demo running on a "high end" PC of unknown configuration. It's also likely he got his info from a Japanese partner of Nintendo. It's likely that outside of this modern "dream team" of Nintendo trustworthies, SDKs aren't out there for most studios. This is not the first source who's referenced that either. A couple posters in a previous thread were reporting this same non-action on Nintendo's part, and quite recently.

But that's a nonsensical scenario. I even asked Blu about it to be sure that it was nonsense, and the only way such a scenario would make sense is if the WiiU was being brought forward to the gen. The Cafe SDK is useless for a completely different kit of hardware regardless of what reference or hooks it may include.

The two rumors are, seemingly, on the same page and at the same time one of them is impossible.

Nintendo frequently doesn't make sense. They exist sheerly to confuse the likes of internet hardware enthusiasts. Now, how useful Cafe dev kits would be for NX development, I have no idea. It does make a certain (sad) sense that Nintendo would try build off their current tool chain, and in fact Iwata's past comments can be interpreted as such. Now, as Takeda put it, the idea seems to be "hardware virtualization". Still, if they are indeed using Vulkan, the GPU side should be quite similar at least. And as many here attest, ISA is not something devs frequently have to put much thought into. If Nintendo clear the initial hurdles of building the OS, there's no less reason for x86 on a home console if that x86 chip gives them more performance for their dollar.
 
The games I'd like for NX

The Legend of Zelda - we already seen a glimpse of this, make sure it delivers with the open world setup and this could be the best Zelda game ever

Super Mario NX - The true successor to 3D Mario. While 3D World was great we need a grand Mario game with beautiful graphics and full camera control. No need for Multiplayer

Splatoon 2 - The original was a surprise hit on a dead platform. As the IP finally has recognising it deserved all Nintendo needs to do is make this bigger and better

Nintendo Infinity - Skylanders and Disney Infinity are huge. AMiibo has been a success, all Nintendo need is a centralised game and they would make a killing and make AMiibo bigger than ever

Super Smash Kart - Mario Kart os huge and the last one on Wii U was the best one yet. But I think this IP needs a shake up. Why not add all the Nintendo characters in this. Have race tracks from different IPs. Weapons from different IPs and etc. It would be a breath of fresh air the franchise needs

Finally we need ports of Mario Maker and Super Smash Bros.

And some new IPs from Rare and other Nintendo developers and you got a great lineup.
 
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