Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.
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I don't think anyone believes it will be more than slightly more powerful if we are lucky.Then the same could be said for the NX ports of third party games if it is indeed more powerful.
Proelite
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6GB of ram would actually cost more in the long run since you'll be using a weird bus configuration. It'll make the mobo messier than necessary.
I don't think a pessimist version of NX would use faster ram than DDR4 or more than 32mb of EDRAM.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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If true that is a non-factor and im not sure why people are so obsessed with it. More particle effects? Really? Any X1 , PS4 games you guys see have more particle effects due to hardware?
Like if you compare a pc game with a ps4 game.
More frames/s and higher res.
Wishmaster92
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Ok my theory imagine this:
720p60fps no aa.
Imagine the game using a PBR for a more Pixar like visual.
1080p60fps with at least fxaa
Levels are a little bit more open than the wii u version
Rework character models but this time render them in NURBS (harder to animate) but these games never ever had really good animations in comparison to a lot of games out now. Basically they would have this fidelity
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We can get character models like that if Nintendo plays their cards right, they devote their resources elsewhere with these game (no dramatic cutscene closeups that needs to have realistic facial captures) It would sell a lot just based off pure Pixar like image aesthetics.
Something like this was speculated a while back iirc. It wouldn't surprise me.
I thought the wii us memory solution was actually very efficient and one of the reasons you get so good looking and performing games out of 176 glops.
exmachina64
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If I could have one thing from Nintendo besides x86, I'd beg for 8GB GDDR5 with no EDRAM/ESRAM.
Graphics Horse
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Why?
Proelite
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8GB of GDDR5X on a 128bit bus. SOC would be the same. Nintendo won't be using a bit fat SOC like Sony and MS.
The edram would help with emulating Wii-U titles tho.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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If Nintendo wants to get the graphical fidelity to that level they will have to switch up the artstyle a little bit. Even 3D World in 1080, AA wont look like that.Ok my theory imagine this:
720p60fps no aa.
Imagine the game using a PBR for a more Pixar like visual.
1080p60fps with at least fxaa
Levels are a little bit more open than the wii u version
Rework character models but this time render them in NURBS (harder to animate) but these games never ever had really good animations in comparison to a lot of games out now. Basically they would have this fidelity
We can get character models like that if Nintendo plays their cards right, they devote their resources elsewhere with these game (no dramatic cutscene closeups that needs to have realistic facial captures) It would sell a lot just based off pure Pixar like image aesthetics.
Schweinehund
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I'll probably get it for the sweet exclusives, but at this point I want a competitive system (comparable to whataver upgrade Sony has in mind) and 3rd party support to be an early adopter.
I see Mario games finally hitting a superb image quality largely because 3D Mario games are simple in look and rely much more heavily on its art style than bloating it with lots of stuff. With much more powerful hardware, they could easily have better AA and a lot of nice things that really cleans up the image quality.
Always-honest
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With a slightly above PS4 they could get close.
But yes, not just with a res bump and good AA.
TwilightPrincess
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Why would they pair a relatively capable CPU with such a weak GPU?
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Wait I missed this. What do you mean?
James Scott
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I wonder if there aren't any dev kits because it's mostly just SDKs like developing for android and iOS.
Pretty sure there aren't any android dev kits and that's kind of what Nintendo said they were going for.
Or at least maybe they're aren't any dev kits out yet until the reveal.
I think that would explain a lot of issues we've heard. Why different sources say different things and why we have no idea what the controller is.
Pretty sure there aren't any android dev kits and that's kind of what Nintendo said they were going for.
Or at least maybe they're aren't any dev kits out yet until the reveal.
I think that would explain a lot of issues we've heard. Why different sources say different things and why we have no idea what the controller is.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Still dont know, even ratchet and clank is not close to that. It looks good in screenshots,actually playing it, its a bit different
And R&C runs 30fps. Mario games run 60.
Here ya go!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200391350&postcount=2979
Rosti's thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=848738
And Rosti's thread on some AR type of stuff: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1204802
Proelite
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The answer is that PS4 and Xbox One paired a relatively capable GPUs with a weak CPU.
PS3 and 360 the cpus used more than half of the TDP.
Xb1 and PS4 the cpus used like 1/6 of the TDP.
The configuration that I gave would have the NX CPU use 1/3 of the TDP.
Always-honest
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True. But Nintendo is really able to get the most out of everything with some games. Like ND.
But yeah, i have to agree. R&C turned out to be really jaggy.
MatrixMan.EXE
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This. Mario Kart 8 is a far better comparison. Much better art direction than 3D World. It's night and day. Those sorts of visuals in a 3D Mario game at 1080p60fps.....lawd jesus.
Dangerous1992
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For me even a Galaxy 1 + 2 HD remaster in 1080p with AA would look amazing, the art direction in these is godlike 
I feel like Nintendo gets a pass on the OS. It's one of the worst I've used in years, it's actually slower, and lacks features compared to what MS/Sony offered with the PS3/360 os.
Nostremitus
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Why would the RAM allocation need to differ between the two? Why arbitrarily take more RAM for the OS that could be used by games just because it's a home console instead of the handheld? This is assuming there's feature parity between the two.
Well, Ratchet and Clank have also been putting in more graphical stuff as they've given up on 60fps for weird reasons.
Mario is much more simple and clean, even Mario Galaxy with its really good art style is simple and clean. On Dolphin, Mario Galaxy looks crazy good. Though because of the clean art style I could see them adding in a bit more bells and whistles with effects.
Mario Kart 8 is a good example too. It's a different art style but still maintains a simple and clean look while adding in some bells and whistles.
Hope they bring back the screenshot feature but at native resolution.
Imagine 3D Mario or Mario Kart 9 at 1080p and AA..
I'd be taking screenshots all day
Mario kart 8 without jaggies? Mk9/10/DD 2 can't come soon enough.
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah this doesn't make sense unless the OS offers features that differ on console. The only ones I can think of are maybe those revolving around having multiple profiles, which a handheld wouldn't have (Nintendo seems pretty adamant about consoles = for families, handhelds = for individuals), but even then if you can go with a smaller OS footprint why not?
It could with a really good lighting engine.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Thank you kindly sir!
TwilightPrincess
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But they wouldn´t need such a "strong" cpu in that system? Doesn´t sound like a very well balanced system either.
There are no android dev kits because computers can usually emulate them pretty well or you test on the actual hardware. You dev for last years version to work on next year's version and then patch it up once it's out. At least that's what some smaller devs do.
This isn't bad you're just using a lower gpu than I hope or think they need to get away with the porting claim that's been floating around. I say it has to be stronger I think people said the basis of the gpu in x1 is about a 7750 in terms of performance and real world power. People think of marketing numbers too much cause 7850/7870 is the ps4. They both actually do better in certain games than a pc using them. Both use low level apis. Have to say I'm glad to see someone else was cynical enough to mention the power ever actually being used by devs (not necesarily you), this is how a shitty sdk/tools hits you nintendo. They don't need other devs an fcat like analysis tool is all they need and they can test games. Again no clue how it works cause the info just don't exist in certain parts outside of the "Dream Team" hope we don't get another cruisin port situation.
I love the numbers but low level apis are changing that. If the GPU is equal now espcially in certain examples we have like a RTS or openworld the cpu will be the bottleneck unless the gpu is shit which they can't do if they want PS4 titles. Nintendo has one advantage we can't account for and that they are notorious for altering what they get. Of the big 3 there's no question who loves to do this regardless of the power that is there. They do it just cause they can and cause quite frankly why not improve on the past, we got pentium 2s improving on old. The current GCN improvements which now in low level api games and tech demos has proved compute processing is hella fucking strong. Vulkan can make 120$ cpu compete with 350-450$ dollar one. Xbox one is proof you need decent hardware to reach certain performance targets otherwise clear sacrifices will be made. Nintendo can be blamed for weak hardware but against things it was targeted again they rarely fall short. For the record we have threads of plenty doubting WiiU could pull of mario kart like it did, the public has spoken haters be damned. Quantum break is proof you can have something like that and end up with a bad pc port where even things in SLI are having trouble at 1080p/1440p/4k staying in tune.
If it's polaris and it's on Vulkan, vulkan variant alone will do more and I think people will notice benefits it's fps averages or just strongers assets. Most people need to remember X1 is having trouble matching PC or PS4. Nintendo only appeasing MS devs. Ubisoft and EA teams are always greedy if the power is there. How can you tell look at the current NFS from a year ago. If it's another WiiU we will have this machine and end up with things like NFS:Most Wanted coming out but not Project Cars. For the record that game is a total system crusher, leave mechanics out of tech debate plz. Start adding cars on big races at night will crush even the best pcs, see how this thing performs in that scanerio. Just cause 3 is another port that exists on other 2 consoles and pc that shows you need a good cpu, . Nintendo has plenty of games now or in the future that they should know how well things perform. Port talk gets me going as you can see. There's so much there to that rumor then how badly nintendo will still screw up their online platform most likely.
Someone said 7950 is 3+ TFLOP machine, sounds about right in my experience can post 4850,7950 and 970 just to relate things. 7950 oced can beat a stock 7970, Most of the GCN stuff we talked about old and newer gcn is a decent improvement.. I buy enough cards including a 380x and a 270x, Nintendo isn't using old GCN, again they'd be dumb and more so it wouldn't fit in to the new system to do so and they are power watt gluttons.
2.5 Tflops and above on those architectures is a good pipe dream it's just a bit shy of where the price, size, and tdp need to be. I like this pessimist thing it's my ideal outside of the ram. I'm with others and to drop hints as I have in the past. Original GC all embedded ram, was suppose to be 64MB total not what we got. Too fucking pricy then and it wasn't suppose to be a midgrade 750 powerpc. Esram is nice and a little predictable but nintendo already knows it's not enough. This is there little niche they will get what they want especially if they stop holding on to the past. You don't need that config even for BC. 1.2-2.3 Tflops on a modern architecture is a good ballpark.
I'm accounting for performance through the magic of a good architrecutre, not low balling the spec, and using a low level api which at this point is almost required just to claim certain performance aspects. Whether demos and games show it will always be the case, but to say it don't happen at this point even on two weak systems just means you weren't paying attention. One thing I do get say about this gen or the newer apis much more improvement more quickly than I felt we saw till the end of last gen. Resogun like mario kart is what I'm trying to get at too many people want to talk about drive club, the division, or the order for good reason too.
Nintendo is on the upside of 2.5 years of tech changes software and hardware that they decided not to go with until whatever this thing is we will see soon.
I think it's the combo of a more adjustable camera, the levels being much smaller, and the game just being unique looking in general whereas 3D World was a direct sequel to 3D Land and draws inspiration from the 2D games.
Mario Kart 8 looks better in terms of art because the huge twisty turny tracks and detailed backgrounds. Unless 3D Mario goes open world again I don't think it can have quite the same effect.
I still think 3D World is a really good looking game btw. If they move away from the 'blocky' aesthetic of 3D World/Land and return to something more like Galaxy (which I think has the best presentation in the series) they can wow some people.
Did? That game hasn't been released. In fact it's been in development for about 4 years..
One of their studios did this with said 33W piece of hardware.
That's actually very, very close to my original guess, based on the assumption that Nintendo may want low (but not super low) price point and tdp. Here, i wrote this a few months ago:
Obviously i'd hope that if LCGeek reports are correct and the CPU is noticeably faster than what the Xbox One has, the GPU would be noticeably faster as well. And considering what (according to those PS4K rumors) Sony can fit into a 499$ price point, maybe there's a good margin to beat the PS4 at 299$ if Nintendo cares less about tdp this time, considering how it went with the Wii U.
They actually made that real time footage a couple of years ago though.
blu
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Reasonable (as already discussed to hell and back in other threads).
In a parallel universe, people are getting 2x A72 @ 2.5GHz @ 20nm in $170 phones ;p
DeepEnigma
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One of their studios did this with said 33W piece of hardware.
This is out?
Also it remains to be seen how the wii u version will actually stack up to this. If so, the NX version will be truly spectacular.
Wishmaster92
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This is a common misconception. Nintendo actually produce very good hardware for what they are targeting.
It's not like they were aiming to produce a powerhouse and accidentally made a WiiU. A Wii-backwards compatible, Xbox 360 level, low wattage box is exactly what they set out for.
Their decision to target that spec may not have been competent, but that is another debate.
That camera being so zoomed out and the grass everywhere is probably covering up some rather nasty textures lol if the game awards footage is anything to go by.
Always-honest
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Hnng yep
Mmmh, I suppose your team / your friends' team (can't actually remember specifically) didn't ask for the handheld dev kit due to, maybe, developing a game that can't be scaled down for the handheld then? Just suppositions
Thanks for the answer.
I'm wondering if HH dev kits are even out to devs yet, though. Do you think the HH could come this year?
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