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In a post sure to cause an implosion in some peoples mind in this video he states.

He talked to several devs and has much more indepth analysis as to the rationale behind this summary comming soon.

Xbox tools are behind and the reason some playstation games have frame rates behind xbox. This will likely change in the future.

Xbox mesh shaders are more advanced and different to Geometry shaders ( which are good in their own way)

Drivers make a big difference in performance and are only now maturing so big performance gains can still be found ( as shown by Mesh shader benshmarks)

Enjoy and stay salty friends

 
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surprising video from redgamingtech. interesting video for sure.


if that guy doesn't get some sun soon, he's going to be translucent
 
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Just another Youtuber out for clicks. He did it with RDNA 3 and infinity cache for PS5, and now he's moved on to this. I can't stand him regardless of how accurate or false his info is.
 
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He talked to several devs and has much more indepth analysis as to the rationale behind this summary comming soon.

That's pretty lame.

I'll try to watch this, but did he say any evidence was shown of this or just vague mentions of "talks"?
 
I think it's important to understand that tools will mature for both the systems.
they always do, however, the sony tools are more a revision on what developers were already familiar with. MS has had to make new tools from scratch due to the differences in the architecture. Due to hardware abstraction on part of what MS started in previous generations, they put themselves in a spot where they can change the hardware architecture drastically between gens and still maintain compatibility. In my mind, that means some tools will mature "more" than others.
 
Ah because one sides tools are stuck and only the other can progress?
No, because one sides tools are a revision or improvement on older more familiar tools, while the others are very different from what was used before (perhaps not all but a lot of it). you guys can argue these points if you want.
 
In a post sure to cause an implosion in some peoples mind in this video he states.

He talked to several devs and has much more indepth analysis as to the rationale behind this summary comming soon.

Xbox tools are behind and the reason some playstation games have frame rates behind xbox. This will likely change in the future.

Xbox mesh shaders are more advanced and different to Geometry shaders ( which are good in their own way)

Drivers make a big difference in performance and are only now maturing so big performance gains can still be found ( as shown by Mesh shader benshmarks)

Enjoy and stay salty friends



Next steps for this thread...
1. Lots open the thread and watch the video
2. Many realise what he actually is saying and that it dosent suit their narrative
3. Some come in and try downplay / discredit the person they have advocated for so long /Others stay away so they can battle in other threads
4. Mods come in and decide that in some alternative reality this thread is console warning .."which is not allowed on neogaf"
5. Thread is closed
6. New thread is created which suits alternative narrative
7. Lort is banned for console warning
8. Everyone goes back to their full time jobs console warning in other neogaf threads and pretend this never happened

Most of what he said is not new information.

Seems like this nothing more than an attempt to put XB in the spot light, even though he has said things about the PS5 in this video, too.

He went in depth on what Mesh Shaders are and how much it improves performance. He explains that both Microsoft and Sony devs are learning to use it.

This is where the RDNA 3 stuff came in. He believes the GE is more advanced.





He says the dev kits for the Xbox Series X has been behind and that may be the reason why we saw PS5 win in performance. He also believes we're seeing a higher resolution in some games on the XsX, but the frame-rate remains a problem.


He also mentions that the tools on both Sony and Microsoft are not remaining stagnant.


My conclusion: We're going to have to wait some time to see some real benefits of these two consoles.
 
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Lol man you just described neogaf perfectly. I say that we riot if you get banned. The warriors on here have turned the place into a clown show on fire.

No way that you can get banned seeing what is going on in other threads
 
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7. Lort is banned for console warning
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true tbh
 
I think it's important to understand that tools will mature for both the systems.
This is an irrelevant point. The reason why Xbox Series ports have under-performed so far is due to immature tools. This has nothing to do with Sony. No matter how mature Sony's tools become it won't make inferior hardware perform better than superior hardware with a mature SDK.
 
he's stating the obvious, series x is more powerful and advanced. but if your console is half--baked at launch, you've already lost.

when the tools will be fully developed and in the dev's hands we'll be already talking about the pro versions and what's next
 
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he's stating the obvious, series x is more powerful and advanced. but if your console is half--baked at launch, you've already lost.

when the tools will be fully developed and in the dev's hands we'll be already talking about the pro versions and what's next
Absolutely this, it's embarassing for supposed software company be behind it's own HW engineers.
 
This is an irrelevant point. The reason why Xbox Series ports have under-performed so far is due to immature tools. This has nothing to do with Sony. No matter how mature Sony's tools become it won't make inferior hardware perform better than superior hardware with a mature SDK.

You said this has nothing to do with Sony.....but then you made it about Sony.

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Absolutely this, it's embarassing for supposed software company be behind it's own HW engineers.
Probably because they want to make XSX and PC to be universal developed with a single API and GDK while also making it work across AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel. The PS5 literally is just AMD for PS5 built on top of the stellar PS4 SDK and API.
 
In that video he mentions the difference in launch games and how things are much closer now because of tools...

The truth is that things are now closer with these games because of time .. These developers get are going back and spending another 6+ weeks on the XSX version to try to work around the issues. The PS5 versions could likely benefit from another 6 weeks of polish but they aren't going back to the PS5 version because they don't have to.

I'll believe it has been "UNLEASHED" once we begin to see nextgen multiplats on the XSX start to pull away at game launch and stay there.
 
you seem to be one of the clowns who don't understand what he said. since he never said that


Exhibit A


These are the fanboys these clowns pander to for subs. Before they were pandering to the Sony fanboys but now its the other way around and RGT is "credible" because it fits the narrative.
 
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