Reggie Fils-Aime on Xbox One/PS4 lineups: "Meh"

freezamite said:
I can't think how anyone can defend Knak against Wonderful 101 while considering himself a gamer.

I know that the majority of people who plays videogames nowadays want cinematic experiences, that's an undeniable fact. The gamming market expanded when the FMV or CGI exploded and that's what attracted people to our hobby.
The problem is that those people of course wasn't interested on gameplay mechanichs or anything that resembled that, they were there because of the CGI, and because of that the games that demand the player to learn even the simplest routines are niche to say the best. This is a fact, and I can accept that.

What I can NOT accept is to see those CASUAL players considering themselves gamers. No, you're not gamers. You're as casual as the one that bought the Wii-Fit to lose some Kg of fat doing a bit of exercise while having fun. You're not interested in the gaming part of a game, but on the graphics and the presentation.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is bad or that you don't deserve to enjoy videogames that way. It's just that you can't consider yourself a gamer, but a techie or maybe a movie enthusiast, but not a gamer by any means.
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From what I have seen, I much preferred W101 over Knack. That doesn't matter since the post you quoted is talking about sales. For whatsoever reasons W101 underperformed, by your logic, the ones you should be faulting are Nintendo and Wii U owners for ignoring it.

I would advice you rather not bring in the 'real gamer' stereotype. After all, I have only seen a handful that are being consistent with what they have said on this board. For the others, the word ' gameplay ' is mainly tossed around and restricted to the few genres he/she likes. The rest doesn't matter.
 
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BruiserBear said:
Not only that, but most of their *new* games literally recycle entire worlds (Zelda 3DS), or entire games (Wind Waker HD), and in the case of Mario Land (the graphical style and assets from the previous 3DS game). It's embarrassing when you see their current output compared to the N64 days.
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The N64 launched with two games, and that's all it had for months.

It would be horrible for them to go back to their output during the N64 days.
 
Normally i try to avoid these kind of threads. But i find it really funny people have to say wii u is meh because he called the next gen consoles line up meh. Why can't people just say i disagree with reginald because we have this and this andtherefore his opinion is invalid to me. Why has this go to a consolewars kind of stuff. Let the numbers do the talking when the consoles are here. that said i can see where he is coming from. most games coming are multiplatform and the good exclusive are yet to come on them. I dont find it fair that regi is comparing the comming line up from the wii u to the others. that said either you like the next gen line up or you dont it all comes down on your own opinion it really irks me that some people say the world doesnt want x please speak for yourself. Sure if you dont have other consoles or a pc that can play the games the line up would be exiting Battlefield 4 is going to be fun and so does other stuff to some people. Just enjoy games instead of all this madness. For example i am sure to enjoy my wii u and my vita although they dont sell well. Play games not Sales!!
 
Kazuma Kiryu said:
Everyone who plays games is a gamer, to some extent, regardless of what they're playing. The market is huge today, from casual to core, passing through the average joe/"dudebro". There's a place for every kind of game on the various number of platforms we have right now. It might not be on retail shelves, but that's why DD has been growing. Different people will focus on different things about games.

Also, this argument that some games are worthier than others is silly, and has been the main one used by Nintendo fans since wiiU came out day 1, because pretty much everything has sold poorly. WiiU has an okay library right now, with some nice titles coming until the end of 2013, but it's not some kind of holy grail in gaming.
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Well then, if a gamer is someone who plays videogames, my granny was a gamer when she resolved a sudoku when I let her my DS.
Look, this has nothing to do with the platform but with the games. It doesn't have anything to do with sales either.
Everything revolves around gameplay mechanics, and Knack seems to be the same of Ryse in that regard.

I'm not saying than someone doesn't has the right to enjoy with Knack or Ryse, it's just that if someone prefer those games above Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Rising or The Wonderful 101 is because he prioritizes presentation above gameplay, thus being a casual and not a core gamer.
 
To be honest, I agree with the statement that the next-generation lineup is unsatisfactory. However, the WiiU's launch lineup was way worse, as I came in expecting titles like Pikmin 3 to be in the launch window.
 
freezamite said:
I can't think how anyone can defend Knak against Wonderful 101 while considering himself a gamer.

I know that the majority of people who plays videogames nowadays want cinematic experiences, that's an undeniable fact. The gamming market expanded when the FMV or CGI exploded and that's what attracted people to our hobby.
The problem is that those people of course wasn't interested on gameplay mechanichs or anything that resembled that, they were there because of the CGI, and because of that the games that demand the player to learn even the simplest routines are niche to say the best. This is a fact, and I can accept that.

What I can NOT accept is to see those CASUAL players considering themselves gamers. No, you're not gamers. You're as casual as the one that bought the Wii-Fit to lose some Kg of fat doing a bit of exercise while having fun. You're not interested in the gaming part of a game, but on the graphics and the presentation.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is bad or that you don't deserve to enjoy videogames that way. It's just that you can't consider yourself a gamer, but a techie or maybe a movie enthusiast, but not a gamer by any means.
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What a pathetic post. Anyone who plays games is a gamer. People play games for fun not prove themselves at being better at video games then another gamer.
 
Kurtofan said:
He's right. Those launch line ups aren't very exciting while Wii U is getting several big games.
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It's missing something.

What if I want to play my sports games? (Fifa, Madden, 2K) I'm hope at least one of those made it but they have no marketing on WiiU.

First Person Shooter. A new Metroid better be out next year when Titan fall and possible Halo come back.

What if you are like me that doesn't give a shit about anything Nintendo except for Pokemon? Then the bulk of those exclusives become Meh to me as I'll be focused on getting my 2DS and Pokemon Y.

That leaves Sonic And Bayoneta.
 
abadguy said:
Sorry but this post is such bullshit. Most of the "dudebro"( god that.s such a stupid fucking term") shooters you're complaining about are coming to both consoles. And saying that's all that's on X1 is ignorant as hell and only shows you have little idea what you're talking about.
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I have been gaming for 20 years, I have at least some idea :). Microsoft has been the one to push the dudebro agenda big time because obviously that's what sells here. We love our crap, and crap they shall give.

Sony gets many of those games, but it also pushes for a wider diversity of content, especially exclusive content. Microsoft's first party content, what little is there, tends to lean towards the grey brown kill people crowd.

This from a guy who's first console of the previous generation was a 360 (which at it's launch had a much much better diversity of games, some of which were *gasp*, single player!) And then I bought a wii and then a ps3 last due to cost. That being said I would say a large portion of the second half of the 360/ps3/wii era was pretty garbage (some amazing wii and ps3 exclusives aside, and not counting portables here which are killin it). The grey brown AAA dudebro DLC fest seems to be smoothly going into this next generation which is a shame. At least nintendo is still trying to make *gamey* games. Out of all the consoles at the moment the Wii U looks the most promising in the near term, with ps4 next in line and the dudebro box a distant third (although I amj likely to get that at some point as well).
 
freezamite said:
Well then, if a gamer is someone who plays videogames, my granny was a gamer when she resolved a sudoku when I let her my DS.
Look, this has nothing to do with the platform but with the games. It doesn't have anything to do with sales either.
Everything revolves around gameplay mechanics, and Knack seems to be the same of Ryse in that regard.

I'm not saying than someone doesn't has the right to enjoy with Knack or Ryse, it's just that if someone prefer those games above Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Rising or The Wonderful 101 is because he prioritizes presentation above gameplay, thus being a casual and not a core gamer.
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Yeah, if she played sudoku on your DS, she was a gamer, a casual one. It helped the DS reach the numbers it did.
I guess i'm not really gonna discuss this any further, that's a subjective argument that you're taking to the elitism camp, which will lead us nowhere.
 
freezamite said:
I can't think how anyone can defend Knak against Wonderful 101 while considering himself a gamer.

I know that the majority of people who plays videogames nowadays want cinematic experiences, that's an undeniable fact. The gamming market expanded when the FMV or CGI exploded and that's what attracted people to our hobby.
The problem is that those people of course wasn't interested on gameplay mechanichs or anything that resembled that, they were there because of the CGI, and because of that the games that demand the player to learn even the simplest routines are niche to say the best. This is a fact, and I can accept that.

What I can NOT accept is to see those CASUAL players considering themselves gamers. No, you're not gamers. You're as casual as the one that bought the Wii-Fit to lose some Kg of fat doing a bit of exercise while having fun. You're not interested in the gaming part of a game, but on the graphics and the presentation.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is bad or that you don't deserve to enjoy videogames that way. It's just that you can't consider yourself a gamer, but a techie or maybe a movie enthusiast, but not a gamer by any means.
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This is the most condescending post I've seen on GAF in a while. The audacity to declare who is and isn't a gamer because they don't like the "right" games is so absurd that I'm not sure if I've gone through the looking glass and this is some high-level meta commentary on the sometimes exclusionary, juvenile mentality of gaming culture.

Please concisely define what gamer is without using games themselves as part of your definition.
 
m0t0k1 said:
Normally i try to avoid these kind of threads. But i find it really funny people have to say wii u is meh because he called the next gen consoles line up meh. Why can't people just say i disagree with reginald because we have this and this andtherefore his opinion is invalid to me. Why has this go to a consolewars kind of stuff. Let the numbers do the talking when the consoles are here. that said i can see where he is coming from. most games coming are multiplatform and the good exclusive are yet to come on them. I dont find it fair that regi is comparing the comming line up from the wii u to the others. that said either you like the next gen line up or you dont it all comes down on your own opinion it really irks me that some people say the world doesnt want x please speak for yourself. Sure if you dont have other consoles or a pc that can play the games the line up would be exiting Battlefield 4 is going to be fun and so does other stuff to some people. Just enjoy games instead of all this madness. For example i am sure to enjoy my wii u and my vita although they dont sell well. Play games not Sales!!
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Dude, I get what your saying and all, but this is the internet brah... Dudebro's don;t play Wii's and you can clearly see the divide between the console junkies here and everywhere.


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Unfortunately, I outgrew most Nin. IPs and don't find them interesting anymore. I have two Wii's in my house that have become dust magnets, I have about 3 GBAs, 3 GB SPs, 2 DSi's and 3 DS's in my house. I bought a VITA instead of a 3DS and love the thing and may buy a 3DS soon as well just to play jrpgs again because there are none on VITA that I haven't played yet (not talking about PSP/PS1 titles.) So with that being said, if their software line-up was intriguing and they got a ton of console jrpgs, I might bite just for the off-screen gameplay alone, however, as it stands, I can do that on my VITA and there are no polorizing titles on Wii-U for me to pick one up.

Oh and KZ:Shadowfall looks amazing, KI is a joke of a FTP game, Forza and Driveclub both look like fun as well even though I;m not bg into racers...
 
freezamite said:
I can't think how anyone can defend Knak against Wonderful 101 while considering himself a gamer.

I know that the majority of people who plays videogames nowadays want cinematic experiences, that's an undeniable fact. The gamming market expanded when the FMV or CGI exploded and that's what attracted people to our hobby.
The problem is that those people of course wasn't interested on gameplay mechanichs or anything that resembled that, they were there because of the CGI, and because of that the games that demand the player to learn even the simplest routines are niche to say the best. This is a fact, and I can accept that.

What I can NOT accept is to see those CASUAL players considering themselves gamers. No, you're not gamers. You're as casual as the one that bought the Wii-Fit to lose some Kg of fat doing a bit of exercise while having fun. You're not interested in the gaming part of a game, but on the graphics and the presentation.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is bad or that you don't deserve to enjoy videogames that way. It's just that you can't consider yourself a gamer, but a techie or maybe a movie enthusiast, but not a gamer by any means.
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I don't think casual gamers automatically only care about graphics. Just read some PS4/Xbox One threads and you will find lots of "gamers" whining about resolution and textures. I'd say casual gamers actually focus less on graphics, because they are busy flinging angry birds at pigs or whatever.
 
BruiserBear said:
Not only that, but most of their *new* games literally recycle entire worlds (Zelda 3DS), or entire games (Wind Waker HD), and in the case of Mario Land (the graphical style and assets from the previous 3DS game). It's embarrassing when you see their current output compared to the N64 days.
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So by "most of their new games" you mean one 3DS game.

Wind Waker isn't a new game and no one said it was.

Mario 3D World; your comments are not based on fact. It has a similar default camera angle and name to 3D Land. That's about it.

Pikmin 3, NSMBU, DKC:TF, MK8, TW101 do not recycle levels/worlds at all. That's most of their recent output.
 
PairOfFilthySocks said:
I'm quite "meh" on the PS4/XB1 line-ups too. I'm also "meh" on the WiiU's holiday line-up to boot, though.
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To be honest, I'm pretty "meh" on the launch lineups too. There isn't a single non-indie game that appeals to me.

But at least I know when games are eventually released, I'll be able to play them in my region.
 
freezamite said:
I can't think how anyone can defend Knak against Wonderful 101 while considering himself a gamer.

I know that the majority of people who plays videogames nowadays want cinematic experiences, that's an undeniable fact. The gamming market expanded when the FMV or CGI exploded and that's what attracted people to our hobby.
The problem is that those people of course wasn't interested on gameplay mechanichs or anything that resembled that, they were there because of the CGI, and because of that the games that demand the player to learn even the simplest routines are niche to say the best. This is a fact, and I can accept that.

What I can NOT accept is to see those CASUAL players considering themselves gamers. No, you're not gamers. You're as casual as the one that bought the Wii-Fit to lose some Kg of fat doing a bit of exercise while having fun. You're not interested in the gaming part of a game, but on the graphics and the presentation.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is bad or that you don't deserve to enjoy videogames that way. It's just that you can't consider yourself a gamer, but a techie or maybe a movie enthusiast, but not a gamer by any means.
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Wow, i guess i'm not a footballer then, since i don't play in the highest of leagues. And also, not a game developer, since i make my living making small casual games. Come to think of it, i'm not even a programmer, since i don't code in C sharp ;(((((

Am i even human ?
 
This comment really got under a lot of peoples skin. Its like "how day he not love the godliness of the same games we played the last 2 gens in the same way with more expensive specs behind them."

It will be a longgggg time before I buy a PS4. I refuse to pay over $300 for a game console(used to be 200).

If I was going to spend that kind of money on specs, then I might as well just upgrade my PC some more and do it write.

When it comes to games, Nintendo has the better delivery.

Jack cw said:
he is a master troll. delivers every time. What happend to CEOkaz?
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That account more than likely has multiple people watching over it to make sure pr is maintained. I doubt Yoshida has time for a twitter.
 
le.phat said:
Wow, i guess i'm not a footballer then, since i don't play in the highest of leagues. And also, not a game developer, since i make my living making small casual games. Come to think of it, i'm not even a programmer, since i don't code in C sharp ;(((((

Am i even human ?
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No, only a casual human! Not a real human like freezamite!
 
dark_inferno said:
Nintendo should just kick Reggie. And make new IPs instead of making Remakes and Sequels.
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You may not like them, but Nintendo has created a ton of IPs over the last two generations.

Wii Series, Xenoblade, X (arguably probably part of the Xenoblade franchise), Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Dillon's Rolling Western, Pushmo, Flingsmash, etc.

Quality varies, but the new IPs are there.
 
Brainiac 8 said:
You may not like them, but Nintendo has created a ton of IPs over the last two generations.

Wii Series, Xenoblade, X (arguably probably part of the Xenoblade franchise), Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Dillon's Rolling Western, Pushmo, Flingsmash, etc.

Quality varies, but the new IPs are there.
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I don't even know the most of your listed games.

Not sure if it says more about Nintendo or me.
 
Brainiac 8 said:
You may not like them, but Nintendo has created a ton of IPs over the last two generations.

Wii Series, Xenoblade, X (arguably probably part of the Xenoblade franchise), Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Dillon's Rolling Western, Pushmo, Flingsmash, etc.

Quality varies, but the new IPs are there.
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There's stuff on that list that isn't created by Nintendo.
 
"Hey guys, I think that Xbone and PS4 have great lineup, with tons of exclusive games and all the multiplatform you'd be looking for. I'd buy both day one!

Sincerely,
Reggie Fils-Aime"


Kazuma Kiryu said:
There's stuff on that list that isn't created by Nintendo.
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Those are all Nintendo IPs.
 
Just once I want to hear one of these guys act excited, since they all claim to be gamers.

Not really promote the competition, but just show enthusiasm for the gaming industry in general and not sound like a total corporate toolbox all the time.

Maybe...

"They both have some good launch titles, <insert PS4 game here> and <insert Xbox One game here> look exciting, but there's not enough exclusive games I'm interested in to make me want to buy another console this holiday. I've got a Wii U. I can play those great third party titles like Assassin's Creed IV, Watchdogs, and Call of Duty: Ghosts, along with our strong first party lineup of Mario, Donkey Kong and Zelda. I'm going to be busy."

Something like that.
 
ab.aeterno said:
This is the most condescending post I've seen on GAF in a while. The audacity to declare who is and isn't a gamer because they don't like the "right" games is so absurd that I'm not sure if I've gone through the looking glass and this is some high-level meta commentary on the sometimes exclusionary, juvenile mentality of gaming culture.

Please concisely define what gamer is without using games themselves as part of your definition.
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Ok, the problem here is maybe the definition of gamer. I'm not an english native speaker, and where I live when we use the term "gamer" is to describe hardcore gamers.
If that's not the meaning a native english speaker uses, then what I mean instead of "not being a gamer" is "not being a hardcore gamer" but a casual. That's all, and this is why I said that there's nothing wrong in enjoying with the cinematic experiences instead of enjoying with the game mechanics.
It's not worse, it's simply a casual view to the industry. That's all.
 
freezamite said:
Ok, the problem here is maybe the definition of gamer. I'm not an english native speaker, and where I live when we use the term "gamer" is to describe hardcore gamers.
If that's not the meaning a native english speaker uses, then what I mean instead of "not being a gamer" is "not being a hardcore gamer" but a casual. That's all, and this is why I said that there's nothing wrong in enjoying with cinematic experiences instead of enjoying with the game mechanics.
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It's still pretty condescending to call someone with different tastes to you a casual.
 
Dragon said:
You're not contradicting what he said ya know.
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Nintendo created and offered new IPs, among which you can find those listed.
If some is second party or funded by N to a developer, doesn't count?
those are all Nintendo IPs, that they funded (so they gave money to a developer to develop those games) and offered to the costumers owners of their consoles, exclusively (being THEIR IPs)
 
How can anyone agree with him when he compares it against the Wii U? It's as if we have forgotten how barren their launch was. How the hell can you compare your fall lineup now after 1 whole year of nothing to next gen consoles that will have both AAA games and many indie titles along with F2P games to tide them over? Seriously?

Reggie, you are Dismissed
 
dark10x said:
It's a good lineup but, of course, they had an incredibly weak start to the system which put them in a rough spot.

The PS4 and XB1 are launching with a much better selection of games.
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Of course. But I don't know why people are busily defending that. No one challenged that viewpoint.
 
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