Remember that Lakers-Kings Western Finals Game 6 in 2002? Confirmed to be FIXED.
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grandjedi6
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Stinkles said:
This one is funny to me. From the get-go? If he had issues from the get-go, WHY WAS HE HIRED?
There another game mentioned as well.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401
$100,000 is a heavy fucking fine for just saying what he had heard.
The NBA will do anything to sweep this under the rug, but where there's smoke, there's fire. There really needs to be a deeper investigation on this. Donaghy also just needs to go ahead and start naming names and really blow this whole thing up.
The fact that so many people are ready to believe this just shows how shitty NBA refs are.
Even if it isn't true, it demonstrates the NBA's lack of credibility with alot of viewers. The ratings haven't skyrocketed with this finals as alot of people hoped, and I'm betting that alot of it has to do with the free throw fest the NBA has become.
Even if it isn't true, it demonstrates the NBA's lack of credibility with alot of viewers. The ratings haven't skyrocketed with this finals as alot of people hoped, and I'm betting that alot of it has to do with the free throw fest the NBA has become.
Article written right after Game 6 of 2002 WFC
I couldn't give two shits about the Kings but I remember that game.
I couldn't give two shits about the Kings but I remember that game.
Herpes Reasons
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pussy, it aint no sin to say the Heat was handed the championship on a silverplatter by Evil Stern.woodchuck said:
Alright if Green Shinobi thinks the 2006 finals was rigged then how does he not think that game was? :lol i love how lakers fans get so defensive but when it comes to other teams it's the total truth.
and there is no rigging. something of that magnitude would definitely be released by now, someplace somewhere. the nba is too big to not have that kind of corruption revealed somewhere.
and there is no rigging. something of that magnitude would definitely be released by now, someplace somewhere. the nba is too big to not have that kind of corruption revealed somewhere.
I wanna hear about the fixed series in the late rounds of the 2006 playoff. You know the one, where team 3 was up two games to none on team 4, and then through a series of bad calls and a million foul shots by player X team 4 won the next 4 games. Oh yeah I forgot about the phantom TO called by referee Z
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I KNEW IT!
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AmishNazi said:
Well, you seem pretty fixed on your beliefs, what's next, you want me to put David Stern on that lie-detector TV Show?
I don't think anything I say will change your mind. Everything can be responded with ":lol" unless you back it up with facts, which there are none of.
A man with Donaghy's history of dirtiness cannot be trusted completely.
Loki said:Only idiots and Laker fans (is that redundant?) needed confirmation of this.
27 FTA in the 4th quarter? Mike Bibby's nose fouling Kobe Bryant's elbow? (see below; Bibby was called for a foul on this play :lol)
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the NBA is a joke, only slightly more legit than professional wrestling.
It would be a lot easier to list important NBA playoff games that were NOT rigged.
Loki said:Only idiots and Laker fans (is that redundant?) needed confirmation of this.
27 FTA in the 4th quarter? Mike Bibby's nose fouling Kobe Bryant's elbow? (see below; Bibby was called for a foul on this play :lol)
I didn't care for the Kings at all back then, but that one call pissed me off more than any other call in the NBA. I'm glad they've had low ratings for the finals throughout the years, they deserve it for the circus of mistakes it's become.
layzie1989
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Kings? More like QUEENS!! AMIRITEORAMIRITE
right? right.....? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :\
right? right.....? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :\
Having watched the NBA for over 13 years now, this makes sense. I joked about "this game is fucking fixed" many times but looking back it could be entirely possible that they were fixed.
I feel like every NBA season their are 8-10 games you'll watch in the season where you will just sit there and honestly wonder if things are fixed. It feels like it happen more during the playoffs and I don't feel it's a coincidence that refs become incompetent as soon as the playoffs start. It's funny because I remember watching the Kings vs Lakers Game 6 and the Suns vs. Spurs Game 3 and I remember thinking "these refs HAVE to be up to something." Their were soooo many missed calls and so many bad calls in those games that it was staggering.
I feel like every NBA season their are 8-10 games you'll watch in the season where you will just sit there and honestly wonder if things are fixed. It feels like it happen more during the playoffs and I don't feel it's a coincidence that refs become incompetent as soon as the playoffs start. It's funny because I remember watching the Kings vs Lakers Game 6 and the Suns vs. Spurs Game 3 and I remember thinking "these refs HAVE to be up to something." Their were soooo many missed calls and so many bad calls in those games that it was staggering.
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LiveFromKyoto said:
except that calls like that happen a billion times over the course of a season in every game. Especially the Shaq one. You're telling me you haven't seen that kind of call go in Shaq's favor when he was in his prime a shitload of times??
Sorry, but at the end of the day no refs made Doug Christie, Peja and Chris Webber brick wide open shots down the stretch.
if this game was part of some conspiracy, then what do you call every other badly officiated game (and there have been MANY) before and after this?
Ninja Scooter said:
That was game 7, though, not game 6 (where the rigging occurred in the 4th quarter to ensure a game 7). And yes, Sac choked in game 7 -- the realization that you're playing 5 on 8 will do that to you. The series should have never even gotten to that point.
pheeniks said:
Once again I never said it was true. I said that your "the NBA is too big" defense was lol worthy. Get it right. I could care less if they fix or not just hate that knee jerk defense against conspiracy theories.
People that debunk conspiracy theories with crap like this are hilarious, especially when they think that their argument is so much better than the other sides. Plus you expect to produce facts when all you have is character assassination and the "too big" argument.
All in all I don't care. Just was poking fun at your weak sauce argument in support of the game you love.
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As a Kings fans, I just want to forget about this game and how they blew it in Game 7. 
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Loki said:
but this game was not an abberation. NBA refs have made horrible calls like that before and after game 6 of the WCF, and will continue to. Take away the sensationalism and look at that Bibby/Kobe play and tell me honestly you would be surprised to see a play like that called that same way any other day in the NBA? Shit like that happens all the time. NBA refs are horrible, and generally too stupid to fix games. Phil Jackson could rip into them at halftime and magically they'll give him some calls. A player could get mad at them and yeah he'll get T'd up, but then he'll get some calls. Its become a fucking well known joke that players, coaches and even home crowds can affect the way a game is called, so much so that its EXPECTED to happen when playoff series shift from one city to the next.
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Karakand said:
I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Even if hes blowing out his ass, and its a strange flow of coincidences.(lol if you believe that)
This ruins the game. Period. How many games were fixed? How are they going to prove future games won't be? Doesn't matter what the NBA does anymore. The fans will always believe they're getting screwed.
Cats out of the bag, good luck getting it back.
This ruins the game. Period. How many games were fixed? How are they going to prove future games won't be? Doesn't matter what the NBA does anymore. The fans will always believe they're getting screwed.
Cats out of the bag, good luck getting it back.
Mgoblue201
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I don't believe that you can just cherry pick arguments. If you are to make one argument, then both sides must be accounted for. If the NBA was so intent on coercing certain outcomes, then I also find it hard to believe that they would also harpoon the Suns' championship hopes in favor of the Spurs. The Spurs? They're ratings poison. If the NBA cared that much about ratings, then this would be monumentally stupid. And they had every opportunity to change the outcome. This isn't a call during a blurred game. They thought this through overnight. Oh yeah, the Finals that year averaged the worst ratings of all time. They didn't even stick to those rules during the regular season this year.
I also find it suspicious that Donaghy is acting alone and yet now interjects some vast web of conspiracy. But I wouldn't dismiss what he says. I just need explanations for these supposed discrepancies. To me the NBA has always been poorly officiated. It's the only league that truly tries to mitigate contact. I always thought that it was somewhat blind to jersey but not blind to stars. And if there is some conspiracy, it has to be consistent. I can't just look at one thing and raise a red flag. The net has to be cast over years and years worth of games.
I also find it suspicious that Donaghy is acting alone and yet now interjects some vast web of conspiracy. But I wouldn't dismiss what he says. I just need explanations for these supposed discrepancies. To me the NBA has always been poorly officiated. It's the only league that truly tries to mitigate contact. I always thought that it was somewhat blind to jersey but not blind to stars. And if there is some conspiracy, it has to be consistent. I can't just look at one thing and raise a red flag. The net has to be cast over years and years worth of games.
Mgoblue201 said:
There are years and years worth of games, dating back to Jordan/Stern becoming major parts of the league that are highly suspicious. All the "Jordan Rules" were the building blocks for current star player rules. What Stern found in creating this Machiavellian Athlete is that you make more by having a big star than by having great rivalries. What the media found is they could benefit from this as well. A Sports Illustrated with Jordan on the cover is better sales than a whole team photo. So while the rules of the game became less important as the unsaid rules become more important, nobody was going to blow the whistle, because everyone profited. The league profits, the player profits, the media profits, the advertisers profit, everyone BUT the fan profits. Yet, in a country where consumers aret treated with less and less respect and are given less and less power, this isn't such a big problem.
The image that was portrayed then recycled the star athlete persona. Growing up during this time, every kid wanted to be Michael and every college player tried to be the next Michael. It was flash, money and all the things the media started decrying and admonishing, even though all these "selfish superstars" were walking in the same footsteps of the prototype the media helped build. Either way, there was always another prototype for the league to use when one burned out or went too far. The NBA became a league of superstars and the officials were part of making it this way from day one. All they did was continue the superstar calls, the big city calls and the general suspect behavior that nobody involved could question without it costing their wallet. The NBA doesn't allow criticism of officials without fines, it doesn't recruit officials like other leagues and it doesn't reprimand them like the NFL does. Everything is secretive to the public and the hirings and firings do not reflect accuracy or performance.
People want to say "then where are the Knicks? or "How do the Spurs win rings then?".
First, there is no total fixing. That would be too obvious, it would be too much like game 6 of 2002 that everyone remembers. If they did that enough, they would have been busted already in spite of the money loss to everyone involved. What there is, is heavy influence. A team like the Knicks are too bad to influence into competition, but when they were not so bad, they benefited from many calls during the playoffs, especially at the expense of small market, small money making teams like the Indiana Pacers. This is pretty much the time that Dick Bavetta got his Knick Bavetta nickname, being assigned Knick games that oddly favored the New York team. The referee had a long history of poor performances that would get ordinary workers fired from their job, let alone a job in the public eye, but has instead continued officiating for many years. There is no accountability and if there is, it is handled behind closed doors in secret where it can not be tracked.
As for the Spurs, they first won during the shortened season, where the NBA just needed to save face. After that it was Lakers championships, with big stars and a big city. Yet, the Spurs came back and won again, begging the "how does that benefit the NBA?" question. There is one important change between the lockout season and the Spurs 2/3 year championships: The global focus of Stern and the NBA.
After the success of European players like Peja and Dirk, Stern realized he had untapped monetary potential overseas and since he worked as Stars = Sales, European stars became valuable suddenly and the Spurs had overseas Stars with tabloid glitz lifestyle. This both worked for him and backfired for him.
1. He now had an overseas product to sell in the Spurs. While US Ratings may not be as high, it could equate to increased product sales in outside countries.
2. Unfortunately, he has to sacrifice some Euro stars for other euro stars, and also his US Star sales potential. This would mean that some multi-country sales potential will butt heads, with Sacramento, Dallas and San Antionio, then later Phoenix having potential and all being matched in the same conference.
3. The Ambassadors of the game went overseas to teach the game of basketball minus the modern NBA version. This would be a great problem later with international play exposing NBA superstars for beign reliant on NBA officiating to bail them out.. Directly following a highly embarrassing dream team attempt, of Lebron and Wade and other MJ-prototypes being called for traveling and fouls, jacking p poor shouts and waiting for their bail out only to be greeted by the actual rules of the game being called.... Stern gathered his officials and basically said "We need to start calling traveling and the real rules for at least a year because we got exposed by those outside markets." And thus, the real ruels were called for about a year, but now its back to the old way pretty much. The league basically said "Ok we have to call those rules that have always existed for real now" only long enough to hope people forgot the world championship debacles.
So still, if it is international product that gets the Spurs cred, why not Phoenix with its international players and international playstyle?
Because fast paced, open court, offensive style play is much harder for the officials to influence and control. If an open system team is successful then the NBA starts to lose influence and control over the product it is selling. Slower, foul driven games are much more easier for the officials to keep tight and pull one way or the other when it is needed. To Stern and the NBA, this isn't game fixing or anything that a fan may call it, it is product and image control. This is pure business. It is the same as the RIAA being threatened by mp3s, not because of mp3s costign them sales, but because the internet allowed people to lsiten to waht they want without the RIAA's influence over radio and television play. MP3s were a threat to their control of music, not their sale of music. It is all business tactics, but the fans think it is still a true sport.
The confusion between the fan and the NBA, and in a way the players can result in bad things. I think this later shows in the Artest melee, where fan frustration is let loose and the people working the game are too inept to control their over-control of the game. If fans knew that it was just WWF/WWE like nonsense then there is less anger over what they are paying for, but when a hard foul is comitted and the handling of it not up too par because of the stars involved, AND the fanbase thinks things should be according to said rules... then you have a building tension that will only explode like it did in that situation. But does the NBA finally address this issue? No, because that would expose faulted product, so you just repackage the product and tell players to appear less thuggish, mandate they wear suits and play nice guy for the customer while the same faulty product is delivered.
Mgoblue201
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I doubt that the NBA would flex control to the detriment of ratings, which is what control is supposed to propagate in the first place: good matchups. It almost defeats the entire point. Why not ensure a good Finals matchup and let things play out as they will from there? For instance, the Lakers in sweeping the Nets got around an 11 rating, millions of viewers higher than a seven game Pistons-Spurs Final and nearly double the rating of the Spurs sweep over the Cavs. Control in that context is at best dubious and at worst completely detrimental and merely results in a failing business. Those ratings are the reason people say the NBA needs to fix things to begin with.
And the league office didn't just influence things. They actively favored the Spurs and struck against the Suns. A lot of fans thought the rule was bogus, and no one would have begrudged them for letting it go. The NBA would have gotten a more robust series and aroused absolutely no suspicion. Instead, they merely hurt their own debilitated image and got a horrible Finals.
As far as international awareness goes, I would dearly love to look at some figures (Google is not very forthcoming), but I posit that by Donaghy's own words, the NBA changed the tenor of the refereeing against their biggest international prospect in the Mavs-Rockets series. Dirk, sure, but I don't think he even ranks in the top ten of jersey sales in Europe. Either they care about public image (which would be odd since so many allegedly bad calls by "company men" were blatant) or the international thing doesn't have as much weight. The NBA itself must also thrive domestically, and ticket sales are one thing that international awareness cannot directly influence. So it is not merely that simple, and an explanation cannot be brought forth just to explain something without the explanation itself closely scrutinized.
The collective conscious of the conspiracy community must also get their story straight. Some people are claiming that the league works for teams like LA and Boston so that domestic ratings can soar. Others claim international favor. It cannot oscillate that rapidly from one year to the next.
And the league office didn't just influence things. They actively favored the Spurs and struck against the Suns. A lot of fans thought the rule was bogus, and no one would have begrudged them for letting it go. The NBA would have gotten a more robust series and aroused absolutely no suspicion. Instead, they merely hurt their own debilitated image and got a horrible Finals.
As far as international awareness goes, I would dearly love to look at some figures (Google is not very forthcoming), but I posit that by Donaghy's own words, the NBA changed the tenor of the refereeing against their biggest international prospect in the Mavs-Rockets series. Dirk, sure, but I don't think he even ranks in the top ten of jersey sales in Europe. Either they care about public image (which would be odd since so many allegedly bad calls by "company men" were blatant) or the international thing doesn't have as much weight. The NBA itself must also thrive domestically, and ticket sales are one thing that international awareness cannot directly influence. So it is not merely that simple, and an explanation cannot be brought forth just to explain something without the explanation itself closely scrutinized.
The collective conscious of the conspiracy community must also get their story straight. Some people are claiming that the league works for teams like LA and Boston so that domestic ratings can soar. Others claim international favor. It cannot oscillate that rapidly from one year to the next.
Mgoblue201
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I'm actually surprised the ratings haven't spiked more. I don't even think they're at the level they were at when the Lakers were playing a pickup game with whatever Eastern Conference team of the week that happened to make it through.
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The Mavs/Heat Finals were obviously fixed.
The Mavs/Houston series looked to be fixed.
The Kings/Lakers game looked to be be fixed.
The league is a complete joke.
The Mavs/Houston series looked to be fixed.
The Kings/Lakers game looked to be be fixed.
The league is a complete joke.
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I stopped reading at "without identifying anyone or naming teams". Confirmed? :lol
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