Because that is in the platform … in the deal so to say.. why remove it? Would probable cost Nintendo moreAlso DLSS is ineffective at 1080p or lower but still consumes die space. Why they should do this when FREE FSR exist? It's not Nintendo way
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Report: Nintendo Switch 2 DLSS Might Not Be as Powerful as It Sounds
Yup. And Nintendo will produce great looking games either way.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
You mean, not as powerful as all the fucking previous reports made it sound?
Let’s not pretend everything rumored until this one report here wasn’t very optimistic, and not all of it was from dubious sources. What’s with the change of tune now?
Nintendo’s secrecy can be infuriating. Let’s hope the wait is almost at an end.
Let’s not pretend everything rumored until this one report here wasn’t very optimistic, and not all of it was from dubious sources. What’s with the change of tune now?
Nintendo’s secrecy can be infuriating. Let’s hope the wait is almost at an end.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
It's all rumors, lolBecause that is in the platform … in the deal so to say.. why remove it? Would probable cost Nintendo more
Zannegan
Member
I don't think most people expected the hardware to be powerful, but they hoped the DLSS solution would be powerful relative to what AMD has going on, allowing it to punch above its weight resolution-wise. Given that this is something NVidia is known for, and how much it would benefit a mobile platform, you could expect Nintendo to take advantage of it... if they weren't Nintendo.
If this rumor is correct, not only would the Switch 2 be roughly on par with an XB1/PS4, it would be limited to those consoles' resolutions, and for no known reason other than Nintendo being Nintendo.
Zannegan
Member
Alas, we heard this same logic prior to the Wii U's launch: "Nintendo would have to TRY to make something that was only on par with the PS3/360. They would have to intentionally create a CPU that weak. It CAN'T be true."Because that is in the platform … in the deal so to say.. why remove it? Would probable cost Nintendo more
I don't pretend to know one way or another, but I'd never put anything past Nintendo.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
same time every froggin Nintendos gen my friends
Senua
Member
Mibu no ookami
Banned
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Sounds right for nintendo. Will still be amazing.
Ronin_7
Member
Delusional lads here actually thought this would be more 'advanced' than a Ps5 with DLSS 
As a Software Engineer i laugh my ass off reading many posts here but that one had me spilling my
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On a serious note, keep your expectations in check, this is a mobile chip with limited power draw in a small form factor.
As a Software Engineer i laugh my ass off reading many posts here but that one had me spilling my
.On a serious note, keep your expectations in check, this is a mobile chip with limited power draw in a small form factor.
Lucifers Beard
Member
If you expect this to be anymore powerful than a PS4 or even a Steam Deck, I imagine you're going to be disappointed. It'll have the games though and they'll play great, you know, the bit that matters.
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Mozza
Member
So rumors about a consoles power, that has not even been announced yet, might be incorrect.............. what a shocker.
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Davevil
Late October Surprise
I'm afraid that Switch 2 will be a lot like that
I think the earlier rumor implied an architecture than the rdna2 which is in the ps5 not actual power and this statement is not ridiculous at all. Nvidias last gen architecture ampere honestly humiliates rdna2 in software innovation and features. Rt tech is almost 2 generations ahead with stuff like ray reconstruction further improving performance and dlss abasolutely dominates fsr2 especially at lower resolutions.Delusional lads here actually thought this would be more 'advanced' than a Ps5 with DLSS
As a Software Engineer i laugh my ass off reading many posts here but that one had me spilling my
On a serious note, keep your expectations in check, this is a mobile chip with limited power draw in a small form factor.
That being said even with said advantages the size/power/heat/bandwidth limitations will unfortunately deliver eventual performance below the series S but it could allow the switch 2 to actually play a significant portion of current gen games unlike the original switch at low resolutions but relatively respectable settings courtesy of dlss.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
This post should be added to your OPWoopah is right. You guys are talking about DLA without even knowing what it is. DLSS runs on the Tensor Cores (which the T239 for Switch 2 has (48 of them to be precise)). DLA is a fixed-function hardware that is only present on the Orin/Xavier SoC's Nvidia has for automotive/AI edge/Robotics etc. It's not present on Nvidia GPUs for desktop or mobile...
Someone wrongly told Rich that Nvidia kept the DLA hardware from the Orin SoC (and thus why he cited the DLA possibility on his video testing PC specs for switch 2), but we know that the T239 is a very customized SoC, with many blocks from the Orin SoC (T234) being removed, and we already knew for a long time now that the DLA block wasn't present.
So, just to be clear, DLSS runs on Tensor Cores, which the Switch 2 will have, and normal nvidia GPUs don't even have DLA hardware. Also, there's absolutely no evidence that DLA could even help with DLSS. Maybe it could, we just don't know.
With all that said, with switch 2 having 48 Tensor Cores, there probably will be compromises. DLSS isn't free. But for that we can only wait and see.
Draugoth
as it clarifies the info reported there by IGN.
Physiognomonics
Member
With 100GB/s and without DLSS, it won't be near XSS levels which have twice more bandwidth. It's going to be close to PS4 levels and people will have to accept it.
Bojji
Member
It will have dlss.
Physiognomonics
Member
Some PS4 games use reconstruction too. But those are still PS4 games. DLSS won't make that hardware at XSS levels. That's a Samsung 8nm chip BTW, worse tech than even current gen released 3 year ago.
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balls of snow
Member
Whatever it is. No oled no buy. Steamdeck and Switch got away with it. Now its expected they will launch an oled revision.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
No way it will be Ampere APU with OLED screen at start.
Probably will be an upgrade path.
Bernardougf
Member
And at the same time screaming they dont care about specs ... is the most hypocritical fanbase and is not even close.
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
Rumors? What rumors? I thought that switch 2 running cp2077 at 4k 60fps with path tracing were confirmed
Woopah
Member
I think people are misreading this report. DLSS is still part of Switch 2.
I don't see it as a big deal that Switch 2 won't be using a technology that has never been used for gaming before. It just shows that Nvidia is customing T239 for Nintendo's needs (it's probably cheaper to not have DLA).
Which rumours specifically? Most information comes from the Nvidia leak.
I've never seen any Nintendo fan mention DLA.
Thank you.
Someone wrongly told Rich that Nvidia kept the DLA hardware from the Orin SoC (and thus why he cited the DLA possibility on his video testing PC specs for switch 2), but we know that the T239 is a very customized SoC, with many blocks from the Orin SoC (T234) being removed, and we already knew for a long time now that the DLA block wasn't present.
So, just to be clear, DLSS runs on Tensor Cores, which the Switch 2 will have, and normal nvidia GPUs don't even have DLA hardware. Also, there's absolutely no evidence that DLA could even help with DLSS. Maybe it could, we just don't know.
With all that said, with switch 2 having 48 Tensor Cores, there probably will be compromises. DLSS isn't free. But for that we can only wait and see.
Basically what CS Lurker said. The only place I've seen mention DLA as a possibility is Digital Foundry, who are now clarifying that their earlier speculation isn't true.Thoughts
I don't see it as a big deal that Switch 2 won't be using a technology that has never been used for gaming before. It just shows that Nvidia is customing T239 for Nintendo's needs (it's probably cheaper to not have DLA).
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SplunkyMunkey
Member
It be 2 switches slab together
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Little Mac
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Does it even matter? This is Nintendo, it’s going to dominate the sales charts.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Delusional lads here actually thought this would be more 'advanced' than a Ps5 with DLSS
As a Software Engineer i laugh my ass off reading many posts here but that one had me spilling my
On a serious note, keep your expectations in check, this is a mobile chip with limited power draw in a small form factor.
What “lads” ? No one here has said anything except you guys who keep talking about pretend people.
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Horseganador
Member
2023 and people still don't know Nintendo? I don't know why people are hyped about power when it is clear that they will only comply, and even then they will be fine, it will be an obvious generational leap compared to Switch.
Buggy Loop
Member
So this just means that it will upres to 1440p most likely rather than 4k, or if you had extra performance to sacrifice then could do 4k but at a cost since DLA isn’t there to lower latencies.
It still has DLSS
which is more than we can say about every PC mobile chips stuck on pixel soup FSR.
It still has DLSS
which is more than we can say about every PC mobile chips stuck on pixel soup FSR.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Public Patents are nearly completely useless when trying to figure out what the new system will look like. I don’t understand why the parent obsession won’t die
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Worst mock-up ever. 0% chance it will look like that
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Rumors about the capabilities of Nintendo’s next gen system being wildly exaggerated…. it can’t be. Nintendo fans would never do this.
Woopah
Member
Only if it also has 96 golf courses.
It will depend on the game. Stuff like Mario Wonder could be at 4k while more demanding games are lower.So this just means that it will upres to 1440p most likely rather than 4k, or if you had extra performance to sacrifice then could do 4k but at a cost since DLA isn’t there to lower latencies.
It still has DLSS
I wouldn't classify Digital Foundry as "Nintendo fans". They are professionals.
Trunx81
Member
Woopah
Member
I bet you would
Neo_GAF
Banned
i think this time, nintendo will people blow away with what they can do the best:
battery life of handhelds:
the new successor will have a huge improvement over the old versions.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
A couple simple truths some people need to hear.
1. I highly doubt the Switch 2 will retail for north of $399.
2. Nintendo is going to turn a profit on day 1.
3. At those prices don't expect anything more powerful than a Steam Deck.
4. Nintendo is still going to sell a metric shit-ton of units, too many for the industry to ignore after the wild success of the first Switch. Say hello to the lowest common denominator for the next 5 years.
1. I highly doubt the Switch 2 will retail for north of $399.
2. Nintendo is going to turn a profit on day 1.
3. At those prices don't expect anything more powerful than a Steam Deck.
4. Nintendo is still going to sell a metric shit-ton of units, too many for the industry to ignore after the wild success of the first Switch. Say hello to the lowest common denominator for the next 5 years.
I don’t care, it will be weak and we will love it . Basically Nintendo in a nutshell.It's all rumors, lol
Mister Wolf
Member
I wish they would price it at $500 so we can get better hardware.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Considering we know literally nothing factual about their next system, and the title having "might not be as powerful as it sounds"....this entire thread is speculation and needs a drama tag added to it.
Ainem Enamas
Member
The great battle of Nintendo, gamer expectations versus the precise strategy of today's world.