Dark Cloud
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I agree
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NSJfqiaZvss/maxresdefault.jpg
I always thought that looked like a controller too. I would be surprised if the NX had more red on it too.
The controller is on the word "play". Nintendo Play? Maybe not.
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NSJfqiaZvss/maxresdefault.jpg
I always thought that looked like a controller too. I would be surprised if the NX had more red on it too.
The controller is on the word "play". Nintendo Play? Maybe not.
You make some excellent points. I was thinking of the buttons as pivoting along the long seam of each button. So when you hit it it is more of a rocking motion as the outer edge collapses. So sort of like a really wide 3DS L & R button.
Now, I'm not sure if that will actually fix the issues you mention. But it seems like it would require less force to push allowing for a greater range of triggering motions. What do you think?
Edit: I don't think they would work well in a lot of instances. You'd have to be very careful when designing control schemes for it. It could be done but it's probably not worth the hassle.
th3sicknness
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Have we stop to think maybe they are detachable because there are several control layouts and grips that you can mix match ? Maybe they want you to decide which is best for you and have a basic set of buttons on the default setup.
Like there is a possibility for a joystick or possibly attachments for paddle shifting for racing simulations ?
Like there is a possibility for a joystick or possibly attachments for paddle shifting for racing simulations ?
lmfao
Calm Mind
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Maybe they'll do that but the simplest reason is probably the one. That is, you can use it as a touch device. That's a massive market that Nintendo wants to be part of. It they don't want to make their franchises worthless by putting them on a phone. This could be a way to bridge that gap
FlyingWasabi
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Looks good except the analogs are too far from the buttons/d-pad to reach comfortably. Look how much closer they are on the Wii U Gamepad. Besides that, great mockup. Looks sleek.
Did you....did you design the NX?I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.
The unique features are:
- Textured controllers for better grip
- Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
- Kickstand
- Swappable faceplates
- Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry
Refreshment.01
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Exactly right. That's why i said you could get away with it when operating the detachable halfs vertically.
What i have trouble visualizing is when you hold the controllers NES style. In this case is not only the somewhat "less natural" actual inwards motion of the index to register and input, but the postion of the fingers themsleves. The user index and middle fingers get away from the corners when gripping the controller in the NES style.
i think the NES style is what over complicates or rests functioanlity to these mock ups. In this sense, the other thing i always wonder is how practical would be for the user to operate a thumbstick and the face buttons that would be so close to each other when in NES style.
im sleepy right now, so forgive me if im not sounding logical and not fully understanding here.
Hopefuly we can continue with this exchange later on.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Interesting, I'll make the thread.
Wait
Have you seen the NX?
Aesthetically that looks great, but the left dpad being that low............ehh not feeling it.
Wait
Have you seen the NX?
Aesthetically that looks great, but the left dpad being that low............ehh not feeling it.
It makes sense if you think about the detachable controllers being interchangeable. As in, it doesn't matter which side you attach them to because they're the same regardless, maybe the face buttons change color or something as seen on the mock up.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, it's too low.Wait
Have you seen the NX?
Aesthetically that looks great, but the left dpad being that low............ehh not feeling it.
That's the most important d-pad so it has to be placed better.
Dark Cloud
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All these generations they've been using discs for their handhelds since the Gameboy and now they decide to switch to cartridges? Such a bad move they're going to regret.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Having discs on a portable is like dating your sister.
the androgyne
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I made another mockup... a little more serious than the last one.
And I'm going against the rumours somewhat; i'm assuming they've mixed up some details about where the controllers attach. That kinda makes sense, given how uncertain the rumours have been about where the analogs are...
That said, i have no clue how these will attach without giant clips sticking out everywhere. Maybe they can attach from any of their sides somehow, to account for the conflicting reports about where the analogs are? Also not sure if the control modules could have triggers themselves (hidden on the back) and be usable/comfortable in both orientations while detached.
Edit... a means to attach, PSP Go style:
Maybe it's close? It does kind of resemble their "There's no play like it" stuff...
And I'm going against the rumours somewhat; i'm assuming they've mixed up some details about where the controllers attach. That kinda makes sense, given how uncertain the rumours have been about where the analogs are...
That said, i have no clue how these will attach without giant clips sticking out everywhere. Maybe they can attach from any of their sides somehow, to account for the conflicting reports about where the analogs are? Also not sure if the control modules could have triggers themselves (hidden on the back) and be usable/comfortable in both orientations while detached.
Edit... a means to attach, PSP Go style:
Maybe it's close? It does kind of resemble their "There's no play like it" stuff...
I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.
The unique features are:
- Textured controllers for better grip
- Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
- Kickstand
- Swappable faceplates
- Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry
I know it's been quoted multiple times before but holy moly this looks amazing.
Dark Cloud
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The right analog is under the buttons and I think my big problem with most of these mockups, other than the controllers, is the use of the white color. I don't like that color for sure. The black color is so much better.
Damn it! I forgot about the stick placement....ty. Ill try toupdate it soon. And I prefer black too. But it takes some more work, so this time I decided to go all white.
TLZ
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Why are we assuming the handheld will look like a PSP? What if it looks like a 2ds? Now imagine that and imagine the controllers detach. These would make more sense as they would be longer, almost Wiimote size compared to the tiny ones we see in all the mock ups which are extremely uncomfortable. Detach and the screen becomes a smart device.
I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.
The unique features are:
- Textured controllers for better grip
- Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
- Kickstand
- Swappable faceplates
- Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry
Where can I preorder this?
Ok. I updated the image with the correct analog placement. Thank you for your observation. Strangely enough I like it this way a little more, but I still don't like it that much as some of the concepts from gaffers. Anyway the first devkits for Wii U were horrible. I can only imagine retail units will look much better
Well the drawing form the leak from eurogamer and the most recent one placed them at the side of the device in landscape mode. The concept of having the controllers attached on portrait mode solves some issues about size, but bring others as having to play games on portrait mode or forcing the player to dettach the controllers.
The first half of this post has me thinking PSP, but the second half has me thinking Vita.
Raiden1018
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Im really digging the design but the stick placement is bothering me
the androgyne
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Looks very good, but how the fuck are you supposed to hold this bad boy? The right dpad looks very uncomfortable to play with...
Paul Gale
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https://youtu.be/yXn8VuC7QIU
Nintendo Infinite (NX in the logo) offers up an infinite amount of controller solutions, faceplates, etc. What do you think of the video? Also, not mentioned in the video, but an additional thought, is that when this logo is turned on its side, it becomes an hourglass. Imagine that as a loading icon, with pixels dropping. I think it's cool/possible.
I'm getting the feeling they'll be placed more closely together at the top so then you don't have awkwardness holding it.
That's why I've wondered these last few days if there was just a way to have a circle pad with buttons surrounding it.
If anyone can draw it, I am imagining something like the GameCube controller buttons except, the A button is a circle pad and the X, Y bean shaped buttons surround it so that there should be 4 of them up, down, left and to the right of the circle pad.
The only downside to this is pressing a combination of buttons in something like a fighting game but that was already a problem with the GameCube controller.
This is the monstrosity I am talking about. Yes, it's a very rough job.
The idea is to have the buttons large and spaced around a circle pad or an analog stick if it applies so then that way, we don't have to worry about cramped hands having to use whatever is on the bottom part of the detachable controller because of the lack of a grip.
As mentioned before, this was the same problem with the GameCube controller, it's terrible for fighting games. I can't go and press the B and X button at the same time however, this was the exact same problem with the GameCube controller because of the A button in the way.
Edit: I can see though that this doesn't help solve the problem of what to do with the D-pad. I was just looking for something ergonomic to do with the face buttons and circle pad by arranging it in a way to have it in one place.
Edit 2: I just noticed the upside down Y button looks like Lambda.
Love these mockups, but has anyone considered depth? I think with the mixup over 25mm or not, that the controllers may be around that thickness for comfortable holding. But the tablet wouldn't be anywhere near that - much too thick. So there is a possibility the controller parts stick out behind the tablet
the androgyne
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This is the monstrosity I am talking about. Yes, it's a very rough job.
I did this before i saw yours and misunderstood what you wanted. Now i'm tired and can't be bothered
I did this before i saw yours and misunderstood what you wanted. Now i'm tired and can't be bothered
Sorry about that, but yours looks good too.
My usual preference is having one button below the circle pad because you can press it with the lower part of your thumb without having to move your thumb to another button.
I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.
I'll also say it : that looks terrific ! Take my money !
The dpad and right stick seems a bit too low for it to being confortable but I know the problem is not so simple with the 2 different play style.
TLZ
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But based on what though?
Euro gamer gave us a mock-up from what they heard but they haven't seen it.
So many mock-ups redesign the ABXY buttons, but imo Nintendo won't abandon the design they use currently. They didn't use it on Gamecube so there is a small chance it'll be different though.
If the interchangeable controller part rumor (from the patent) is true then there could be traditional and new button forms. This might be cool but maybe feels a little too gimmicky. I'd rather they stick with one controller. But we'll see how it works out, maybe I'm wrong.
If the interchangeable controller part rumor (from the patent) is true then there could be traditional and new button forms. This might be cool but maybe feels a little too gimmicky. I'd rather they stick with one controller. But we'll see how it works out, maybe I'm wrong.
Holy Shit. This looks great.I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.
The unique features are:
- Textured controllers for better grip
- Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
- Kickstand
- Swappable faceplates
- Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry
I Stalk Alone
Member
fixed.
Was there something about a patent for a projection or mirrors that involve the controller? maybe the colours on the buttons can change somehow? This way you attach the controller in any orientation though the holes would have a spring door so as the light or projection does not escape depending on how it is orientated. This way you can have ABXY or c buttons or whatever on the button layout. you can even have icons. Not sure how complicated this would be or how practical as it won't work when it is being used as a detached nunchuck wiimote like configuration as well as the battery it would use up.
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like this patent?
Why take the fun out of it? MIne will be in my underpants being used as a, um a pedometer. Yeah thats it, pedometer.
NoFaceNico
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That segmented d-pad is one of the biggest red flags to me that Emily Rogers' rumors are false. Nintendo is credited with creating the dpad we know today, why would they go back on 30+ years of that? This thread is full of speculation about how everything is going to fit together logically, so what's the logic behind a segmented dpad?
I'm sure if (when) the final product comes out with a regular dpad, people will say the leakers must have been looking at rough prototypes that had micro switches instead of their dpads but that's a completely horse shit cop-out. I expect them to be wrong on the segmented dpad.
I'm sure if (when) the final product comes out with a regular dpad, people will say the leakers must have been looking at rough prototypes that had micro switches instead of their dpads but that's a completely horse shit cop-out. I expect them to be wrong on the segmented dpad.
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