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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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Bam Bam Baklava
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It's one thing if this was some kind of closing argument being presented but this is literally the beginning. The proper agencies are looking into it, there's nothing to credit or discredit. These arguments are about as fruitless as the months spent arguing over that damn e-mail server. Until Comey or whoever is in charge makes a definitive statement, it's all in flux.
Where was Woodward?
Where was Woodward?
mariachi507
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If they were briefed in the same room, at the same time, was Obama all
That's gold.
I wonder if Obama got briefed by 4 intelligence chiefs about his Keynesian birth certificate.
I mean for that to be true, you'd have to assume that the intelligence community is totally incompetent and presented something with zero sourcing to the president and president-elect. Like a 15 year old typed this up one night, e-mailed it to MI6 and everyone there just went "Yeah seems legit"
Obama didn't get briefed on Pizzagate.
Are you putting this 35 pages report on the same level as the birther movement? Really?
Also I'm prety sure he was briefed on it and on how to react to it (since he eventually adressed it)
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
This an actually funny typo.
It should be noted that the PDF in question was only part of his briefing. It stands for reason that the report received by Obama (and Trump) included all manners of side notes by the different intelligence agencies with their own relevant information. They don't dump a bunch of pages on his lap and say "here's your report".
A grown up man let hookers pee on the mattress where the President slept, because he is full of hate for the President.
And your reaction is so what.
Okay.
YOU HAVE NO PROOF. SHOW ME ALL THE PDBS FOR THE LAST YEAR!!!
-Plasma Reus-
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Yes there is reason to believe there is allegedly more.
I mean, so many allegations, if even ONE of the serious ones is proven to be true, things are going to get serious really wuickly.
I mean, so many allegations, if even ONE of the serious ones is proven to be true, things are going to get serious really wuickly.
paradise_circus
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Let's see, unconfirmed informations like Benghazi, Clinton emails or the birther thing caused problems for the democratic party.
Conspiracy by Grammarly to keep this a secret. BRB, checking if Grammarly is owned by Soros.
beelzebozo
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this is hilarious.
Yes because that's the least of one's worries about the contents of that report
Like, at the bottom of the bottom of the pile.
jellies_two
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The interesting part that stood out to me was that Trump was footing part of the bill for the hacking operations aimed to further the goals of the intelligence operation etc, although paid directly by Russia the origin of the money was the partly at least the Ttump bank accounts. Or so it says in the last few pages.
If they can ever follow the money proof of that alone would be enough to impeach him
A lot of the pdf contains info that can be verified by FBI: the travel movements of the individuals such as the Trump lawyer, Cohen, etc.
The other interesting tidbit was the Trump team liked to have the media chasing Russia as it took their eyes away from much deeper issues such as business related bribery going on in China and elsewhere that would be damaging if it was shown during the campaign.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What the hell are you talking about? This MI6 agent is known and considered credible. Are you saying nobody asked the agent if the report was theirs?
Amazing movie, need to watch this again soon.
You are so poorly briefed on the situation that you've chosen the wrong hill to die on.
I think you would have been better off trying to question the legitimacy of the source's analysis rather than his identify itself, but I guess you will get to that soon enough.
shawnbuddy
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I don't know if I believe it yet, but it explains so much about Trump's bootlicking behavior patterns toward Russia.
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Why are you equating senior intelligence officials with wikileaks?
Alx
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Well in this time and day, it's always better to take sensational news with caution and not be too eager to believe them because they fit our agenda. But even if it is fake, it may have the benefit of making everybody consider the issue of fake news, even those who were usually the first to believe them, and maybe (maybe) help people be more critical in the future. And if it is true, then something really needs to come out of it, in my opinion (but then it's for Americans to take their responsibilities).
Funny thing is how much of the focus is on the sex/pee stuff, when the major issue should be about all the intelligence stuff, money changing hands and conflicts of interest.
Funny thing is how much of the focus is on the sex/pee stuff, when the major issue should be about all the intelligence stuff, money changing hands and conflicts of interest.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.
Norwegian_Imposter
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I am not saying its true or not true. It probably is fake or exaggerated but for it to get to that stage it needs to have some credit (which that source will either gain or lose over the course of time) What it certainly is, is something to discuss considering prior to any of this Trump has appeared as a non us resident as a Russian stooge for the longest time.
I agree that Trump being a traitor is the bigger news.
I disagree that the future President living out crazy hate in crazy ways is a "So what?" story. It is not normal. It is deeply disturbing.
Russia have zero incentive to do this.
CrunchyFrog
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This all sounds so ridiculous, like Trump hate-fiction. I'm still skeptical, as much as I'd like it to be true. If ANY of it is, Trump is literally scum of the earth and deserves to go under the jail, but I'm not about to whip myself into a self-righteous frenzy just yet. Problem is how the fuck DO you verify any of this?
Melkezadek
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Talk about confirmation bias.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Political coordination takes it from conflicts of interests to sedition.
The source being vetted by American intelligence as reliable and consistent and the prescience of some of its parts makes it at least worthy of investigation. If this turns out to be a dud... heads will roll. And the mainstream media will never be the same again.
Either way, we are entering uncharted waters. The effects of post-truth reporting are already palpable.
You'd be surprised at how prevalent defacing your opponents is.
It's usually not made public (but you learn of it when those people pass away)... While gross, it really doesn't bother me all that much, it's childish, stupid (but hey, it's Trump, so who's really surprised here?) and pointless.
NHarmonic.
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Reading is difficult i see.
Someone needs to counter hack Russia and get the video I guess.
Also want to stress again:
This is NOT the intelligence briefing report compiled by NSA/CIA/FBI.
This has been compiled by an Ex MI6 agent's agency who spent most of the 90s in Moscow and since then has good connections to Intelligence sources there.
Apparently this 35 page report was initially ordered by Trump's GOP rivals so they could get some dirt on him.
This report was referenced by the CIA/FBI/NSA briefing though and all three agencies believe its source to be credible (at least in the past), even though most of the allegations at this point in time probably cannot be proven with enough direct evidence.
Apparently the NSA/CIA/FBI briefing also referenced other sources, not just this report.
The report apparently was known to Harry Reid back in October when he tried to have FBi director Comey action on it and then later McCain handed it over to Comey as well.
So this is just the beginning.
jellies_two
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Same way as any other organized crime thing: you get a small thing but enough to turn a guy who gives up more to turn a guy above him, and sooner or later there is enough to scare cooperation all the way to the top. People who can verify this stuff haven't been killed they have been coerced and paid off. They are still walking around, some may be waiting for a way out.
What are the odds that the ex-MI6 person got fed bogus data to discredit links between Russia and the Trump campaign? Knowing the FSB, that wouldn'T be super far fetched
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He cant.
That would be unprecedented and unpresidented
Norwegian_Imposter
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They have history with the agencies, does it mean its wrong? no but it also doesn't mean its right either. There are lots of points that could be verified with checks which is what I am sure they are doing right now.
wesleyshark
Banned
Great summary
Imagine there is an FSB employee who wants to do a Snowden in reverse and get out.
Would be amazing.
If he cancels, it's a big sign of weakness and makes him look guilty. But he knows if he goes through with it he's going to be raked over the coals.
His what?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
The amount and scope of the data makes it super far fetched, unless he is a double agent.
In which case, Hail Hydra.
Norwegian_Imposter
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This made me chuckle
cohens tweet reposted by Trump
Ah you know what guys, forget it, its a fake news thing because he took a picture of his closed passport....
cohens tweet reposted by Trump
Ah you know what guys, forget it, its a fake news thing because he took a picture of his closed passport....
Imp the Dimp
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Conference is at 4 p.m. UK time?
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