Bam Bam Baklava
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Buzzfeed would never be the same again. The media report things that are wrong all the time and people always move on.
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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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Buzzfeed would never be the same again. The media report things that are wrong all the time and people always move on.
How is you not being surprised, congrats on totally seeing this story coming, relevant to you?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
And if we have learned anything about Trump in the last 12 months it's that he would never do something unprecedented (or 'unpresidented')
You're surprised someone like Trump would deface Obama? Really?
<Tinfoil_Hat = on> He did spend a lot of time in Russia
Big Baybee
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Read the report and find out why it's relevant to the discussion of his relationship with Russia.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
If you can't grasp how could that put Trump in an extremely precarious situation (given that apparently the hotel has more bugs than a crack den) there's not a lot to debate there.
His Peetronus is a seasquirt
Because the report claims that the FSB has it on tape? If true, what do you think would happen if it is released? What lengths would Trump go to not have it released? Maybe recognize Crimea as Russian? Lift sanctions? Undermine NATO?
Okay, this dude officially hasn't read shit.
BackLogJoe
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Yeah, this. Everyone is talking about golden showers. People need to be talking about the rest of the report. We've basically been annexed by Russia if the rest is true.
#1. The intelligence source is British intelligence.
#2. It was not published as fact, they make clear it's unverified.
You didn't read the article properly.
Fallout-NL
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Also, I don't really understand how one 'briefs' the person who is the very subject of these findings. What is the person supposed to say?
Try not reading it backwards next time. It might start to be less confusing to you.
jellies_two
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Note that Putin has peskov put his head on the chopping block, repeatedly,
(From any news story over the last month):
Note that trump Doesn't yet have new lines from Moscow as he tweeted "witch hunt", again, last night.
(From any news story over the last month):
Peskov as architect (according to PDF) of the bull in a china shop hacking and Election fiddling operation is now someone who has to get the kremlin safely out of the shit, or Putin will be announcing his rather sudden departure.
Note that trump Doesn't yet have new lines from Moscow as he tweeted "witch hunt", again, last night.
I wonder if they asked Trump whether the reports were true, when they briefed him. Even better if they had him and Obama at the same time. "Donald, did you really ask whores to piss on Barack's bed in Russia?"
The best case scenario (which means it will never ever happen), would be for Obama to do another year, and have special elections in November to finish the remaining three-year term before 2020.
And this is being generous and letting senators and governors elected last year to stay in office for the rest of their terms, rather than considering that all partisan elections were compromised by the Russians.
The best case scenario (which means it will never ever happen), would be for Obama to do another year, and have special elections in November to finish the remaining three-year term before 2020.
And this is being generous and letting senators and governors elected last year to stay in office for the rest of their terms, rather than considering that all partisan elections were compromised by the Russians.
Does no one remember the 2004 election with George Bush's draft dodging? CBS published documents claiming to prove it and when they were shown to be fake the entire subject was dropped.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg...ontroversy#Memos_allegedly_from_Jerry_Killian
Publicising such a dodgy document far and wide means that if (when?) they're shown to be fake it'll be used as an excuse to discount ALL Trump-Russia stories.
Additonally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg...ontroversy#Memos_allegedly_from_Jerry_Killian
Publicising such a dodgy document far and wide means that if (when?) they're shown to be fake it'll be used as an excuse to discount ALL Trump-Russia stories.
Additonally:
It's raw HUMINT, without an army of analysts and SIGINT to analyze the reports, provide confidence levels on sources, corroborate with other sources available to the state.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
"We know they have shit on you. This is the shit they have on you. We'll be watching".
Being that some of the allegations are also difficult to corroborate, it also allows to check Trump's reaction and act in consequence.
As far as I'm concerned, this would be the worst case scenario. Trump would get free reign and MSM would be discredited for decades to come, being replaced by BreitBart and similar identity-driven outlets.
The report claims the Russians have footage of that and could use it to blackmail Trump. So it's relevant, if true.
Melkezadek
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He would know that if he read it.
Norwegian_Imposter
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Because it could be used as blackmail? So agencies know what to watch out for to indicate that someone might know something. Again I am and most of these people here are taking it with a pinch of salt but revelling in the idea of it all. Just like with David Cameron and his pig fucking story
Lazlo Woodbine
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Has the 4Chan angle been discussed here much?
This idiot is one of the (I'm guessing many) people claiming to have fed this to various journalists and politicians: https://twitter.com/trsprudence
Buzzfeed really dropped the ball publishing this now though. You can't put stuff like this in the wild without first doing the journalistic legwork necessary to defend it's credibility. If it turns out to be bogus then watch it undermine any attempt to criticise Trump in the future.
This idiot is one of the (I'm guessing many) people claiming to have fed this to various journalists and politicians: https://twitter.com/trsprudence
Buzzfeed really dropped the ball publishing this now though. You can't put stuff like this in the wild without first doing the journalistic legwork necessary to defend it's credibility. If it turns out to be bogus then watch it undermine any attempt to criticise Trump in the future.
This wouldn't be unprecedented
Remember the Gulf War debacle/fiasco with credible, CIA accredited sources, how solid the evidence was? The GOP (surprise!) blatantly lied to the american population to justify a war that had no justifications in the first place. Allof it based on second hand reports, unverifiable claims and a "very trustworthy source"
I just read the summaries and jesus christ... I mean what the fuck. Is there anyway he can survive this? What can actually happen? Like people can't just let this shit fly by without any notice.
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So I see Golden Shower Gate is trending on twitter lol. So from what I gather that a portion of this is true, but 4 chan exaggerated it with some hentai shit to troll liberals?
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So I see Golden Shower Gate is trending on twitter lol. So from what I gather that a portion of this is true, but 4 chan exaggerated it with some hentai shit to troll liberals?
jellies_two
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blame trump
By using Twitter by lying and by rushing to say things to gain the advantage, he sets the standard.
He is being hoisted by his own petard
If it wasn't him, nobody would publish it in isolation. He himself demonstrates how he should be treated.
Fallout-NL
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Yeah. It seems unlikely this will materialize into something that's enough to actually remove the man from or prevent the man from taking office. And that's a damn shame. And even if they did manage to do it, the damage is pretty much done considering the current state of political discourse in the US.
Norwegian_Imposter
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The state in the sodding article that its unverified they mention its mistakes and they mention that parts are likely unverifiable.... jesus h christ buzzfeed did the right thing here, would it be the same sort of fuss if wikileaks had done it. People would treat it as crystal right now
There is enough smoke and reasonably sound sources to make this known so it gains traction and hopefully taken more seriously. The public needs to know. You think it's wise to sit on this, let Trump waltz into the White House and put a lid on it. Don't think so. This is the time to act before it's too late. Also, this could rustle some feathers that leads to people coming forward out of fear or doing the right thing to save their skin or making a mistake, showing their hand.
Principate
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Do you honestly think the American intelligence agency would not know a former freaking british spy? That they personally met? Come on now.
kitchenmotors
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Exactly, the Trump and Russian sympathizers are easy to pick out now. Fuck them.
Tarkus
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https://apnews.com/57653c95a72d4e2587eda5a82138468e/Moscow-denies-having-compromising-information-about-Trump?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
Moscow has officially called it a complete fabrication and utter nonsense
Moscow has officially called it a complete fabrication and utter nonsense
So everything is 100% accurate.
Norwegian_Imposter
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of course they would (again it could still be nonsense)
Don't believe anything until Russia officially denies it.
jellies_two
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I think it's obvious the report is the classified one, and it didn't come from a 400lb guy on a bed.
If it wasn't made up, if it's true, what will change now that journalists and some people who click on the buzzfeed link can read it. What will change? The FBI has had it for a long time now.
Whatever they are doing or not doing do you think will happen faster? Do you think because reporters can read it it will shake out corroboration?
Just curious
The people who should most know already know and have for some time.
Tarkus
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Urine the ballpark
Team Trump should have their talking points from the Kremlin for a response now.
NHarmonic.
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Pretty much. It's not like his campaign was running on facts and truth, guy used this shit all the time and won. If this ends up being nothing no one should be losing sleep because this tactic contribuited to him being elected in the first place.
Fucking knew it. I knew the Russian's had dirty on this guy. You dirty little beast, look what you've done.
Not that it will make much of as difference. I'm sure he'll weather the storm, but he's dirty as hell. I doubt he'll see this term out I'd guess he'll be impeached. the russians will probably dump the whole thing when its suits them to throw the US into chaos. Probably around the midterms maybe.
Not that it will make much of as difference. I'm sure he'll weather the storm, but he's dirty as hell. I doubt he'll see this term out I'd guess he'll be impeached. the russians will probably dump the whole thing when its suits them to throw the US into chaos. Probably around the midterms maybe.
The easiest way to get Putin to dump Trump is to box the GOP congress into taking strong action against Russia. If Russia can't get geopolitical gains out of Trump, they will drop the kompromat just to undermine us. We will survive.
It's news because it was deemed credible enough to brief both the President and the President Elect on it.
It would seem you are either hideously uninformed or playing dumb in order to play this obfuscating role.
The discussion has moved far beyond the shallows you are flailing about in.
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