Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers

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I dunno if this particular report gives anyone enough fuel to act on before inauguration. Obviously Trump will try to block the IC from doing anything about it but I what I read into the Clapper statement was that anything affecting National Security such as this will be looked into. National Security is more important than any compromising info Putin might have over Trump or even if Trump just wants to be pals with Putin.
 
We need a Russian Edward Snowden now. A couple of outlets now claim Russia has more than one tape. They probably control who is president and who's not with those.
 
Vice President Joe Biden says top intelligence leaders told him and President Barack Obama about unsubstantiated claims about President-elect Donald Trump because they were concerned the information might become public.

Biden tells The Associated Press and other news outlets that he and Obama were initially surprised intelligence officials felt the need to brief them on unverified claims that Russia had compromising information about Trump.

Biden says: "It's something that obviously the agency thinks they have to track down." Biden didn't specify which agency, but said later that he was surprised the allegations "made it to the point where the agency, the FBI thought they had to pursue it."

Biden says neither he nor Obama asked for more details. He says the intelligence community couldn't say whether the information was true.
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http://bigstory.ap.org/152579d488a740b2a8d39fbe2f34506d
 
sir_kevith said:
I dunno if this particular report gives anyone enough fuel to act on before inauguration. Obviously Trump will try to block the IC from doing anything about it but I what I read into the Clapper statement was that anything affecting National Security such as this will be looked into. National Security is more important than any compromising info Putin might have over Trump or even if Trump just wants to be pals with Putin.
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Trump and his political appointees are not going to be able to stop career IC officers from doing their jobs. They can certainly try but that will only throw more fuel on the fire.
 
Executive Branch isn't as all powerful as one may think. If they can prove the President is compromised, judical and legislative will step in.
 
Vena said:
How long do you think it takes for things like this to actually move? It isn't fast, let me tell you that much.

If you're going to be taking down the PEOTUS/POTUS, you need a fucking bulletproof case.
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I don't know, how long does it take for a urinal cake to erode?
 
Mr. X said:
Executive Branch isn't as all powerful as one may think. If they can prove the President is compromised, judical and legislative will step in.
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Unfortunately, the checks and balances don't work if the legislative branch is led by the same party. Especially in the current state of politics.
 
Just imagine if this was coming out about a democrat. I hope that regardless of how you look at the current situation we all agree that things would be proceeding much differently. It would be a total shit show even compared to what we have now.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Just imagine if this was coming out about a democrat. I hope that regardless of how you look at the current situation we all agree that things would be proceeding much differently. It would be a total shit show even compared to what we have now.
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Like if the IC was revealed to have had serious talks with Barack Obama about a report from a high quality source that said he was actually a secret Muslim terrorist sent to infiltrate the US
 
KHarvey16 said:
Just imagine if this was coming out about a democrat. I hope that regardless of how you look at the current situation we all agree that things would be proceeding much differently. It would be a total shit show even compared to what we have now.
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The only way this would be on the dem side is if a far, far left candidate swept in who like Jill Stein.

And considering every reasonable person hates her, I can't imagine people on GAF would be defending her.

I mean, we're already talking about how the far left is pretty much funded by Russia at this point as well, this isn't an isolated issue with Trump, this is an effort to fuel the extremes in the west to create the mess you see now.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Just imagine if this was coming out about a democrat. I hope that regardless of how you look at the current situation we all agree that things would be proceeding much differently. It would be a total shit show even compared to what we have now.
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All republicans, including Trump, had when they railed against Obama was BS said by his pastor and lies about his not being a citizen. If they had this exact report, real or false, Trump surrogates, GOP legislators, etc would be in lines out the studio door of every news network waiting for their chance to sit and launch into how unfit Obama was.
 
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but why is it okay for the president elect and staff to continually lie to the public? Why isn't this enough to toss him in the trash?
 
If the shit really hit the fan for Trump in the next few days.. what power does Obama possess with regards to delaying the inauguration? I mean, he can't exactly call for martial law since it's not a civil conflict (yet). Is there anything in the constitution or law that accounts for this?
 
pestul said:
If the shit really hit the fan for Trump in the next few days.. what power does Obama possess with regards to delaying the inauguration? I mean, he can't exactly call for martial law since it's not a civil conflict (yet). Is there anything in the constitution or law that accounts for this?
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He has no power. It would be up to Congress to act.
 
pestul said:
If the shit really hit the fan for Trump in the next few days.. what power does Obama possess with regards to delaying the inauguration? I mean, he can't exactly call for martial law since it's not a civil conflict (yet). Is there anything in the constitution or law that accounts for this?
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The Electoral College was supposed to be the thing that stops a situation like this, but you know how that went.

crooked spin said:
Wait... what?
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Russia's been funding the far reaches on both sides for a while now in Europe and there's plenty of ties between Jill Stein and Putin on this side of the Atlantic. The idea is he just wants shit to be unstable politically so he can do his thing without much pushback.
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but why is it okay for the president elect and staff to continually lie to the public? Why isn't this enough to toss him in the trash?
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Trying not to go for the easy joke about Trump supporters.

Politicians have always lied, but nobody has been more blatant and unskilled at it than Trump.
 
pestul said:
If the shit really hit the fan for Trump in the next few days.. what power does Obama possess with regards to delaying the inauguration? I mean, he can't exactly call for martial law since it's not a civil conflict (yet). Is there anything in the constitution or law that accounts for this?
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balladofwindfishes said:
He has no power. It would be up to Congress to act.
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He could theoretically declare martial law and invalidate the election until new elections could be held.

Would be total chaos though and the GOP congress would shit a brick.

Not going to happen.
 
There is a fundamental lack of understanding here on everyone's part, made worse by Trump's own misunderstanding.

The basis for the report:
That senior intelligence leaders appended/mentioned/referred to these allegations of Trump being compromised in a document briefing. The briefing itself was largely about Russian's involvement with the leaking of DNC emails.

The confusion from the Trump camp:
The allegation may only have been a footnote in the larger document and therefore not verbally communicated during the brief. Assuming Trump did not read the entirety of the report, he would deny it ever having been part of the actual brief (as he may only recall the conversation).

In his eyes, not only is the content false, but so is the basis of the report; that it was passed on to the POTUS and himself by the FBI.

The impact of James Clapper's statement
The statement was crucial as it was the first public acknowledgement that they did indeed "discuss" the document. This contradicts Trump surrogates who denied that the President-elect was made aware of these allegations by the Intelligence Community.

Trump does have a good argument.
CNN's justification that they merely reported on that the Intelligence Community notified Trump of these allegations does raise questions about journalistic ethics. Editors at CNN knew that it would immediately cast aspersions of the President-elect unfairly because there was no proof. But the lack of evidence would do little to soften the impact and tarnish his name even further.

Would they have published a report that President-elect Barack Obama was made aware of a dossier alleging he was actually born in Kenya, a dossier with no evidence? ​

No.

What CNN did isn't much different than Fox News bringing on a guest who makes statements about Obama's religion based only on hearsay.
 
Yeah, I should have said congress instead. I mean, any sensible democratic nation would freeze the turn over of power if serious investigations were underway.
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but why is it okay for the president elect and staff to continually lie to the public? Why isn't this enough to toss him in the trash?
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The country has gone to shit. That's what it is. Of course if it was Obama or Clinton, there would be hearings if they lied even a 10th as much.

The Republicans don't care. They continue to get to not care because the people don't care. Democrats are the enemies out to steal your hard earned paychecks. They are nasty socialists too. Did I mention they want to kill Jesus, AGAIN?!

So lie, steal, cheat. As long as you aren't one of them.
 
TheOMan said:
I mean...why would they lie about something that would be so quickly debunked? Mindboggling.
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IKR? it was never denied by any of them. But what really gets me is that they bring up all this stuff that is easy to verify and its all a pretty blatant lie. Just cover it up with #FAKE NEWS. which seems to be working. Its unbelievable.

rokkerkory said:
buzzfeed! buzzfeed! buzzfeed! buzzfeed! buzzfeed!
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/triggered

.JayZii said:
If she can make this the Clintons' fault somehow, she'll get bonus points for sure.
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She did that pretty good while talking to CNN the other day. Even brought up Obama and how they are not treated the same because they are not asking questions about what people are gonna wear the inauguration day. o_O
 
pestul said:
If the shit really hit the fan for Trump in the next few days.. what power does Obama possess with regards to delaying the inauguration? I mean, he can't exactly call for martial law since it's not a civil conflict (yet). Is there anything in the constitution or law that accounts for this?
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If the situation escalates dramatically in the next week or so before inauguration, the most severe action I'd envision Obama actually taking would be ordering a full declassification of all materials and intelligence related to this Trump/Russia investigation, effectively putting the ball in the congressional GOP's court.

In other words, "You know what Trump has done is beyond grounds for impeachment. What will you do?"
 
B-Dubs said:
Russia's been funding the far reaches on both sides for a while now in Europe and there's plenty of ties between Jill Stein and Putin on this side of the Atlantic. The idea is he just wants shit to be unstable politically so he can do his thing without much pushback.
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Ah, i guess it sounded to me like he thinks Putin is a big $$$ contributor to Jacobin mag or something. which is amusing.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Trump does have a good argument.
CNN's justification that they merely reported on that the Intelligence Community notified Trump of these allegations does raise questions about journalistic ethics. Editors at CNN knew that it would immediately cast aspersions of the President-elect unfairly because there was no proof. But the lack of evidence would do little to soften the impact and tarnish his name even further.

Would they have published a report that President-elect Barack Obama was made aware of a dossier alleging he was actually born in Kenya, a dossier with no evidence? ​

No.

What CNN did isn't much different than Fox News bringing on a guest who makes statements about Obama's religion based only on hearsay.
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How does Trump have a good argument? It was deemed important enough for it to make it to the POTUS and PEOTUS. You think the IC would bring just anything to them without heavy vetting? I don't think the IC would waste their time on this if it wasn't important enough like the birther stuff.
 
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