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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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AlimNassor
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So basically you can't disagree with the narrative? It's not my victim complex; it's the whole you can't disagree or you're either a Russia shill or a Troll angle. For the record: I do believe Trump and Putin have a bromance. I don't believe the whole he's going to jail angle.
phazedplasma
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Tell me more about this traitor Mike Flynn
I don't think anyone is taking it serious until there's a second source... hopefully
It is still not clear to me why the IC decided to include a summary of the allegations in the briefing document to Trump. Retired IC folks have described that move as highly unusual. I am perhaps being hopeful, but it makes me suspect that the ongoing investigation into the allegations has already made serious headway, and they wanted to make sure the story about the allegations got leaked to the public in a manner that lent them credibility so that Trump couldn't easily shut the investigation down after Jan 20.
I don't think anyone is taking his word. Details are coming out about phone calls between Flynn and Russian officials after the expulsion of diplomats. People are mostly waiting for more information.
ugaboga232
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The Washpo article https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.4892ff4d5817 seems a lot more important on the Flynn angle than the schindler stuff though thats amusing.
TestOfTide
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Literally the GOP was trying to prevent it from happening by taking control of the Ethics Office.
That same ethics office is saying that Trump is blatantly violating the constitution.
No I'm taking the fact that these two things happened:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.ef3156fecff5
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/...to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0
You think it's a coincidence that the NSA gets to let everyone know about its global intercepts AND suddenly we find out that Flynn contacted Russian Ambassadors several times on a specific day?
Obama did this so that they can start getting a shitload of warrants.
RustyNails
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Here's David Ignatius' bit from WaPo that everyone on twitter is talking about
This is the big pushback I've gotten from Trump supporters other than "fake news...CNN!!" They say the IC would never include unsubstantiated info in an intel briefing so this is just the Obama administration's attempt to trash Trump on the way out. ie.....it's all a big lie by Biden and CNN
The President and VP are exempt from certain conflict of interest laws.
The constitutional angle comes from the emoluments clause, but well .... good luck actually trying to apply that in the modern era.
TLDR: Don't expect this angle of attack to amount to much right now.PBS said:
PrivateWHudson
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Sounds like you may not have the best grasp on the narrative. IF, with a big if, the dossier contains accurate information, this is way bigger than a bromance. It's the definition of treason and COULD result in jail time, but more likely impeachment.
sturgboski
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Ugh. Even if there is something here, party over country for the GOP. They aren't going to do anything are they.
It's abundantly clear that you don't have a clear idea of the narrative. Just ask to get an update or something instead of claiming it's benghazi 2.0.
I fully disagree with your post stating this was some buzzfeed, twitter, thing. Just as the cia report fiasco. You haven't managed to illustrate that you know what is going on besides using some buzzwords about this developing story.
I do not think you're a shill. I think you just have low information and are coming into a middle of a thread where people are discussing the myriad of information happening right now, and coming to a conclusion based on what you know versus what has actually happened so far.
If your spirit is just to wait for the facts, I think that fine. But as this is a discussion forum, there are events that are happening during this that are worthy of a discussion.
But when you came out the gate making false declarations, it doesn't do much besides get people having to correct the information.
I believe this, but also believe that John Schindler may be exaggerating a bit with his tweets.Here's David Ignatius' bit from WaPo that everyone on twitter is talking about
And yet, the pieces of the puzzle keep falling into place every day...
Seems like he has additional info that isn't public yet. Could be something, could be nothing, but either way he makes it sound like we should know soon.
TestOfTide
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Unless the GOP wants any excuse they can to put Pence and Ryan in place.
Here's my prediction:
This shit will lead to a snowball effect of search warrants against Trump and his "inner circle".
This is going to take down the inner circle: Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Rudy Guillianni, Michael Flynn, and Donald Trump.
AlimNassor
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yes, I wait for the facts. Thank you for finally listening. I get tired of people telling me to shut up and accept their point of view. It frustrates me to no end I can't speak my mind. No, I'm not an expert but, this is a discussion forum and I don't see the harm in stating my opinion.
Plausible. Don't think it is Obama admin per se, but given that Trump has basically declared war on the Intel community, the Intel Chiefs may not be above some revenge on behalf of their workforce. I hope my theory is the right one, but then again they aren't even mutually exclusive.
BronsonLee
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KEVIN FLYNNNNNN
WHERE ARE YOU NOWWWWWW
This is how Tron 3 starts guys
WHERE ARE YOU NOWWWWWW
This is how Tron 3 starts guys
sturgboski
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Didn't they say they would shut down the government to get the wall built?
Based on my discussions with Trump voters, they won't believe anything regarding Russia unless Fox, Breitbart and co. start reporting it, or Trump just admits to it. Earlier in the thread I mentioned how I was called a liberal traitor because I'm not in favor of Trump and I read mainstream media sources.
These people are going to riot if the GOP turns against Trump, so I believe we will see much out of GOP leaders unless the evidence becomes overwhelming.
DontBeThatGuy
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Something happened during the past few hours?
If that Israeli report is accurate earlier the Intelligence community might see Trump and his appointees and cabinet members as a direct assault on their ability to function. If Intelligence agencies refrain from talking with American intel because they fear it would get in Russian hands via trump its a great threat to our own capability in international relations. That alone would damage America for years to come.
ErasureAcer
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Read this if you're not a Russian drive-by troll.
Specifically this section(with links to further substantiating evidence for your follow up rebuttals.
Flynn is a(one of Trump's) Russian agent(s). And he's the USA National Security Advisor if Trump is inaugurated. Sleep well.
Ether_Snake
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I always found it suspect how the NSA is supposedly amassing loads of data but seemingly never has that info used by other departments. I thought that the US was doing this to keep a technological edge, like they do with the military, and that they barred themselves from actually using the info to keep how much they know under wraps.
Seems like with Obama's administration decision, they've reached the point where they feel they can or must start making use of said info even if that might hint at what they are actually able to collect.
Seems like with Obama's administration decision, they've reached the point where they feel they can or must start making use of said info even if that might hint at what they are actually able to collect.
Taking a closer look at his feed he looks to have past national security experience that suggests reliability, yet he's also quite worked up and incendiary - though at the same time if what he says is true that is entirely understandable.
Regardless of if his additional information is true, the smoke just keeps on fuming more and more, which suggests to me more and more that there's some sort of fire somewhere.
IlGialloMondadori
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http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/314891/trump-russia-girls-howard-stern-2001-aj-benza/
In 2001, a gossip columnist talked about Trump going to Russia to bang girls:
"Trump: I assume A.J.s clean. I hope hes clean.
Benza: Meanwhile, he bangs Russian people
Stern: Russian people?
Trump: Who are you talking about, Russian people, A.J.? I dont know anything.
Benza: He used to call me when I was a columnist and say, I was just in Russia, the girls have no morals, you gotta get out there. [Trumps] out of his mind."
In 2001, a gossip columnist talked about Trump going to Russia to bang girls:
"Trump: I assume A.J.s clean. I hope hes clean.
Benza: Meanwhile, he bangs Russian people
Stern: Russian people?
Trump: Who are you talking about, Russian people, A.J.? I dont know anything.
Benza: He used to call me when I was a columnist and say, I was just in Russia, the girls have no morals, you gotta get out there. [Trumps] out of his mind."
TestOfTide
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.b4cfb3c4e2b5
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/...to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0
NSA probably has the smoking gun on Trump's inner circle.
ErasureAcer
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Absolutely. Even just the act of attacking the IC publicly as Trump is doing has the potential to do damage if it continues after he takes office. We often need to convince other countries that we have solid Intel about something to get them to do something we want them to do or allow us to do something. How does Trump do that if he is constantly denigrating the Intel agencies?
Not American here. But I think you're missing the point.
You're seemingly dismissing this as straight "Man, Dems and Libs are blaming the loss on Russians blah"
Maybe some are. But ignoring the larger implications of what these allegations say, that's irresponsible.
Nintendo presentation swamping the servers I'd bet
ErasureAcer
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Yes. Switch reveal is going on in Gaming. $300 and pay-to-play online. Booo.
Pop-O-Matic
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There was a Nintendo conference just now, so that's probably why.
The dream is dead, we are indeed in the darkest timeline.
ErasureAcer
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All the Trump surrogates need to be banned from news. If you want a Republican opinion...talk to a Republican congress-person.
Lord, Conway, and the rest all need to be purged from TV.
Fair.
Same guy is a reputable intelligence analyst. Was even on MSNBC's The Last Word last night with a bunch of other intelligence analysts.
Ex-NSA. Has contacts.
Should we just believe him alone? No. But he is another piece in a chorus of pieces that have been coming together since Paul Manafort was hired by the Trump campaign.
Yes, I assume it's because of Gaming side and the Nintendo Switch news.
wesleyshark
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Nintendo conference is obviously a Russian ploy to distract us from the truth.
I just checked this guy out... what
he was/is going to be the nsa director with no checks or balances
according to wikipedia: he also just met with the freedom party of austria which had just agreed to cooperation with russian ruling party
BronsonLee
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That shit was WACK
Bam Bam Baklava
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I believe in his reputation and sources within the community. He typically doesn't call people buttbois either.
Lost Fragment
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A lot of the behavior in here is pretty similar to the behavior righties exhibited about emails, Benghazi, etc. This is not to say that the situations are the same, but the same aspects of human nature are present on both sides of the aisle.
chrisPjelly
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Did Russian men point a gun at Translator-san's head, too?
Bam Bam Baklava
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Which is why I keep telling people to calm down and not get emotional over every little thing.
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