I think that was his son. IIRC Flynn himself linked to Infowars at one point, though
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I think that was his son. IIRC Flynn himself linked to Infowars at one point, though
ErasureAcer
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Okay, to be clear: Flynn Sr. was involved in propagating a separate instance of #fakenews, about a Bill Clinton sexual massage scandal, and his son (who now has a .gov address and will likely serve in the Trump admin!), suggested plausibility of the #pizzagate #fakenews scandal.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...-tweet-something-about-pizzagate-not-exactly/
Kill Your Masters
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Are non-Trump supporters really that scared of civil unrest? Let Putin run the US (into the ground) for the sake of nobody getting angry or mad? A lot of you guys sound like a bunch of phlegmatics right now. I have never seen such a defeatist attitude coming from the USA as today. And its worrying. Worrying that people give up so easily.
You guys may have civil unrest either way. If not from the angry mob of Trump supporters for a possible impeachment, then from minorities, and basically anyone who might get screwed over by the leadership. You can't avoid getting people upset, you can't avoid civil unrest forever, the more extreme the government the bigger the chance unrest comes from one side or the other.
Don't be afraid of getting your hands dirty once in a while. The other side clearly isn't.
Gordon Shumway
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lol..Geezuz, man. Sounds like a fucking bad night..
ErasureAcer
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Flynn Sr(the advisor to Trump) retweeted his son's conspiracy about #pizzagate. In the article I linked to from this past December. They say, Flynn Sr, had 16 different occasions of promoting some fake news/conspiracy since August. Read the article. Apparently some shit about vampire blood or something too...lmao.
Politico again...
Regarding his supporters, most are 100% convinced all the Russia talk is nothing more than a collective effort by the left, segments of the IC, and the media to delegitimize Trump's presidency. They think it's all lies and they believe nothing that comes out of the media regarding this issue. I watched several segments of various Fox shows from earlier tonight and the overall theme being presented is the corrupt media is attempting to sell this Russia story (hacking, the dossier everything) with nothing to back it up. So you aren't going to easily change minds here. Trust me, I know many Trump supporters and I've raked over the coals this week over even considering this story is something to keep an eye on.
Regarding elected officials, they don't want to rock the boat and lose power. I imagine Senators like Graham and McCain would jump on this issue if there was actual evidence of the claims in the dossier (or other Russia related items being tossed around) but they aren't going to say a word until we reach that point.
On all this Russia stuff I think we need to wait until there is actual proof of the claims floating around before people start to toss around the idea that an elected President be unseated. People here may believe it (or want to believe it) but what is out there amounts to heresay at this point. Let's hope the media and IC do their jobs to investigate these claims thouroughly and present actual concrete evidence if it indeed exists. Otherwise, this stuff just comes off as crazy conspiracy stuff.
Kill Your Masters
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Obviously. Nothing is confirmed that could get him impeached for now. I just grew tired of hanging a "if all of this is true then..." at the end of my posts. But I wouldn't say it's just hearsay. Too many things point to some sort of connection between Trump and Putin.
Wow.
Like Trump saying himself that they basically hang out and share a toothbrush... (interview linked earlier in this thread)
ErasureAcer
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McCain has called Russian intrusions an "act of war."
McCain gave dossier containing sensitive information to FBI.
Says it has since been "released late last year"...which may mean October 31 when Mother Jones article ran by David Corn. (which is the 35 page #GoldenGate).
Did your buddies vote for McCain in 2008? How quickly they turn.
edit-fixed second link.
McCain has been on this like a hawk.
If IC can deliver the goods, McCain, Graham and possibly Rubio will fight against the GOP almost definitely. Those are 3 strongest anti-Russians in there right now, at least the most outspoken ones.
Found an interesting compilation of connections between Donald Trump and Russia. https://www.reddit.com/r/thenewcold...mpilation_of_interesting_connections_between/
Regarding the Trump supporters. We are fucked. I tell you, we are fucked.
Those people don't need facts and do not take in facts. They make up their own "facts". They see things how they want to see them.
I remember that one tweet recently where Trump tweeted out something telling his followers to make up their own mind to what is real. This is extremely dangerous...it kind of reminds me of Charles Mansion and his family and how they would just follow his orders, even to murder. Mansion claimed he never gave them orders...he just told them things, and they make up their own minds to murder...that aspect of him is so similar to Trump who is always dishonest and will always say things that is in his best interest at the time. He will flat out lie even if you confront him with truth, as we see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFgYzf4DV4
I mean look at all the idiotic comments on YouTube and other places, his followers are blind to the facts and their view are so distorted and not based on reality or based on information that's fact-checked.
I randomly saw this video, and I look at the comments...oh boy, do we really really have people living among us with this kind of world view? Totally idiotic, irresponsible people! And everywhere you go (on the internet, at least), you see them everywhere. Even here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnoukNWR840
Those people don't need facts and do not take in facts. They make up their own "facts". They see things how they want to see them.
I remember that one tweet recently where Trump tweeted out something telling his followers to make up their own mind to what is real. This is extremely dangerous...it kind of reminds me of Charles Mansion and his family and how they would just follow his orders, even to murder. Mansion claimed he never gave them orders...he just told them things, and they make up their own minds to murder...that aspect of him is so similar to Trump who is always dishonest and will always say things that is in his best interest at the time. He will flat out lie even if you confront him with truth, as we see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFgYzf4DV4
I mean look at all the idiotic comments on YouTube and other places, his followers are blind to the facts and their view are so distorted and not based on reality or based on information that's fact-checked.
I randomly saw this video, and I look at the comments...oh boy, do we really really have people living among us with this kind of world view? Totally idiotic, irresponsible people! And everywhere you go (on the internet, at least), you see them everywhere. Even here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnoukNWR840
Herr Schwarz
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This is what its like when trying to argue with people who have been radicalised.
This undercurrent has risen to the very top, half the population slowly gestating consuming right wing propaganda for years and now we're in a situation where Science and Truth are commodities to be thrown out if they don't agree with the zealous rhetoric of dear leader.
Science and Truth are now fake news. I sonetimes wonder perhaps this is the final destination of all democracies. Democracy itself is a good thing in a vacuum. But when combined with the negative aspects of the human condition it becomes corrupted to the point it only really serves the rich and powerful.
The terrorists won I guess.
This undercurrent has risen to the very top, half the population slowly gestating consuming right wing propaganda for years and now we're in a situation where Science and Truth are commodities to be thrown out if they don't agree with the zealous rhetoric of dear leader.
Science and Truth are now fake news. I sonetimes wonder perhaps this is the final destination of all democracies. Democracy itself is a good thing in a vacuum. But when combined with the negative aspects of the human condition it becomes corrupted to the point it only really serves the rich and powerful.
The terrorists won I guess.
Amazing NPR Interview
With a Politico reporter. Way before this week. Highlighting the same stuff in that dossier and more actually.
With a Politico reporter. Way before this week. Highlighting the same stuff in that dossier and more actually.
The terrorist ultimately was Fox News and its extreme neoconservative ilk, which have sown absolute hatred in US government and media.
Russia has capitalised on this insurgency of cult-like mistrust, regardless of the veracity of the dossier info.
All of this was an unintended but positive outcome for the actual foreign militant terrorists.
Killer Queen
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Hopefully McCain and the IC will be the heroes we need.
I don't think trump would be acting like someone in risk of immediate catastrophe in public if he knew he was in trouble. He surrounds himself with people that make it harder for him to be affected by something like this.
Lonewulfeus
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This is a pretty good read and should probably be added to the OP.
It's Pence unless the republicans decide it's not a good idea to make him the next president and then if it's not Pence it's most likely Orrin Hatch.
Anyway if Flynn goes away then trump will just appoint someone else that the intellligence community may not like.
SuperEpicMan
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This is also quite interesting:
https://twitter.com/Khanoisseur/status/815125173649088512
I would also recommend following him on Twitter as his timeline is full of information concerning this.
always crazy bacon
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Thanks this is good information.
Democracy and civil insitutions only work when there is accountability, civic responsibility, and a sense of liability present for all actors -- concepts which are spread thin by the gaping maw of wealth inequality and the amorphous nature of the internet.
Jesus.
Probably already been posted but the BBC are reporting that the agent is thought to be reliable because he helped expose FIFA corruption to do with Russia after the English FA hired his company to help with their World Cup bid.
He reported his findings to the FBI which presumably helped with their crackdown on FIFA.
He reported his findings to the FBI which presumably helped with their crackdown on FIFA.
Yeah, already posted somewhere I think around the, say, 20-70 page block... but there's so much information (not to mention misinformation of course) in this thread that you're definitely forgiven.
I dunno, Trump has been openly giving Russia his full support this whole time. Do you really think he's going to change because of this? Usually he just doesn't give a shit and doubles down.
-Plasma Reus-
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People can try and muddle the issue all they want, therr is no denying that the man and his team have a relationship with Russia.
All they have to do is say they havent been in contact, all Trump has to do is say anything negative about Russia, but he wont because he can't.
All they have to do is say they havent been in contact, all Trump has to do is say anything negative about Russia, but he wont because he can't.
Hopefully, now you guys understand through what pressure Ukraine is fighting through last 3 years. Just imaging if there are so many Russian shills in USA, how many of them are in Ukraine? Reading through "Frolov leaks" makes it apparent that Ukraine's destabilisation was planned and carefully prepared way before people actually got on streets.
I mean, just read that Dugin plan that Putin seems to follow religiously:
United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe ...
Basically done.
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "”Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible
Work in progress. Ukrainians are still dying every day, in case you forgot. And millions will die if full Russian offensive will start after Trump's inauguration, as many in Ukraine afraid.
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable
Work in progress. Not really important right now, but if US support will be not there, its a matter of 1-week offensive.
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.
WIP, rather spectacularly, imo. Erdogan thinks he can play on the equal footing with Vladimir, but we'll see him regretting his recent agreements with Russia soon enough.
China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled".
Good luck with that one, comrade Putin. Though it is a long term goal, and China will have its crysis sooner or later. Again, with US support in the region vanishing, anything will be possible.
Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
WIP.... The similar activities can be observed in EU.
And the best part is - Russia is using your money for all of it. C'mon, people, wake up! Stop Russia before its too late! Full isolation, no oil trade, gas for food program, European rocket shield and centralized defense system. Only then Russia will listen, only then Putin will respect the West.
I mean, just read that Dugin plan that Putin seems to follow religiously:
United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe ...
Basically done.
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "”Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible
Work in progress. Ukrainians are still dying every day, in case you forgot. And millions will die if full Russian offensive will start after Trump's inauguration, as many in Ukraine afraid.
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable
Work in progress. Not really important right now, but if US support will be not there, its a matter of 1-week offensive.
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.
WIP, rather spectacularly, imo. Erdogan thinks he can play on the equal footing with Vladimir, but we'll see him regretting his recent agreements with Russia soon enough.
China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled".
Good luck with that one, comrade Putin. Though it is a long term goal, and China will have its crysis sooner or later. Again, with US support in the region vanishing, anything will be possible.
Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
WIP.... The similar activities can be observed in EU.
And the best part is - Russia is using your money for all of it. C'mon, people, wake up! Stop Russia before its too late! Full isolation, no oil trade, gas for food program, European rocket shield and centralized defense system. Only then Russia will listen, only then Putin will respect the West.
Skyball Paint
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If I'm understanding correctly, seems like Putin's strategy is out there, yet the world seems content to dance to his tune.
Fucking nuts.
Read the post above you. Its business as usual.
The key to a successful Europe is the UK being part of it, but people are happy to use the let them go we've had enough of them blocking policies in the EU.
Anyway who cares, we get to watch the champions league sponsored by Gazprom, Germany loves Russian oil and gas.
I'm guess Poland is next on the list to be destabilized?
Michael Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor is like... a pretty Russian man, man.
And then John Schindler, ex-NSA man and intelligence analyst guy went CRAZY on twitter and I encourage you check his tweets out from tonight. But to highlight a biggie in my opinion:
So, some stuff's happening.
Alx
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Apparently the hacker Guccifer 2.0 who claimed responsibility for the DNC hack said the report from the intelligence agencies was bullshit (French source). But then, said report says the agencies were convinced that the Guccifer 2.0 account was used by several people tied with the FSB, so whatever...
Skyball Paint
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Donnie-boy is tweetin' again
Basically same as before, it's all fake news according to his good buddy Russia.
Also Hillary Clinton is guilty as hell of...something?
Basically same as before, it's all fake news according to his good buddy Russia.
Also Hillary Clinton is guilty as hell of...something?
-Plasma Reus-
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Wow at that ex-nsa guy going crazy on this.
He was very collected on this before. Straight up calling people traitors and saying shit is going down soon.
He was very collected on this before. Straight up calling people traitors and saying shit is going down soon.
I hope his life is not in danger.
Him going crazy and news that the ex-MI6 agent had worked with the FBI to get the FIFA intel is what's gotten me basically fully on board that this is all real and closer to a resolution than we might think.
John Schindler was on MSNBC's The Last Word the other day with a bunch of other intelligence analysts (including one who worked under the Bush Administration) who all seemed pretty clear that there is something here that's very real.
He also wrote this amazing piece that explains the severity of this dossier and why it should be taken seriously and why its more legit than it might seem.
Yeah, leaping on every single unsourced twitter comment as "megaton!" is not a good look. If new evidence, as in more documents that can be verified by a 3rd party come out, then the story will develop. Until then it's just commentary and it'll disappear after a few days.
ebullientprism
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Guys, Donny says Russia told him its fake. What more proof do you people need? Let it go. 
Ghostshark
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All the business regarding fake news is horrible. Not only are people quoting the actual fake news, but are also doubting real news. It's frustrating hearing "are you sure that's not fake news?" every time anything involved with Trump is discussed.
Just as the Russians planned. Consider any critical piece as fake news. Put THEM on the defense.
oh oh oh
Impeachment incoming.
http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/
Impeachment incoming.
http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/
Skyball Paint
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Sayeth the Trump supporter: I reject reality and subsitute my own
wesleyshark
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The more he talks about it, the more guilty he sounds. His point of defense continues to be that Russia is correct in denying the allegations, and the intelligence community is making shit up.
I really don't think I can take that guy seriously anymore.
How could he possibly know something so huge that others don't in his position, and it seems like he is tweeting in anger and frustration.
And why the hell does he feel the need to use terms like buttboi? It's like seeing someone say "Obummer" or "Killery" and its hard to take them seriously after that.
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