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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
He is not a transphobe. He actually is a very strong advocate for the trans community and trans rights. You can be a supporter of trans people without being all on the trans side on every single issue. There is nuance there. That term is so overused anyway. Transphobia implies hatred or fear of trans people with prejudice. He is not that way at all, it's just wrong. All he's ever said is he doesn't support trans women competing in physical sporting events with biological women because it's not fair to those biological women who train everyday and their literal livelihood is on the line, as these are jobs for a lot of women and they earn money based off success in these competitions. Only to have someone who used to be a dude, with years of testosterone and increased tendon and muscle strength waltz in and pummel them in a cage easy peasy or outrun them or outmuscle them in physical competitions. That's not "transphobic" that's just being logical. It's a can't-win proposition. If he says yes trans people should be able to compete then he's "misogynistic" because biological women are getting fucked over. If not, he's "transphobic."
And many in the trans community agree with Joe. It's just the ones who want to play victim all the time and want to be angry about everything who don't.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
this is how you win elections. "If you haven't voted for us yet, then you won't vote for us in the future, so fuck you!"
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
"Voting out to be"
"out to be"
TaySan
Banned
To clarify I don't mean he's the literal devil, but with such a massive fanbase of his I think it's irresponsible to bring people like Milo in and letting them spread their views to the world.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
i mean CNN covers Milo, they have Richard Spencer on the air all the time. Vice has specials on Nazis all the time, giving them interviews, yet they are still seen as "left". you can think it's irresponsible of Joe but in the context of the other media outlets, it really isn't. he isn't normalizing these people anywhere near as much as mainstream media.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Oh, you're another one of those "don't normalize or provide a platform for..." nutcases then.
Captain Zyrain
Member
"Voting out to be"
"out to be"
Someone there called Larry a KEYBOARD BRAVEHART?! No way that stands, how long until Draper gets the axe for insulting a protected poster?
#Phonepunk#
Banned
1) voting is a personal decision, you idiot fuck. this is why they have curtains up when you vote.
2) i can vote for whatever the fuck i want. this is how it objectively works. you don't get to decide reasons why people vote. i don't vote for other people like i am doing them a favor. i vote for me, sorry to burst your bubble.
jesus christ with the savior complex on this guy. he thinks he changing the world by screaming at other far left liberals.
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
There are a small handful going after excel. I suspect that thread will be a graveyard of those who dared challenge.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
If I never hear the term "marginalized" again it would be too soon. The entire far left is centered around basically bowing down to and self-sacrificed of minority groups to make themselves feel like important for the first time in their lives.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It's very arrogant of you to believe Rogan's listeners are mindless drones who'll go to bat for whoever the latest guest is.
And it's even more arrogant for you to believe that ideas can be killed.
Censorship is dangerous, irresponsible and ultimately an authoritarian tool.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
#Phonepunk#
Banned
they are basically laying the groundwork for more abusive "fuck non voters fuck third party anyone not a frothing Dem deserves to be treated like shit" thread come November.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I hate the whole "can't give them a platform, it's dangerous!" arguments. For one, it's 2020, anyone can give themselves a platform on social media whenever they want and get their beliefs out there. Secondly, the best thing to do when people have bad ideas is to get those ideas out there, not shut them down.
The counter to this is always Nazi Germany. "Tell that to the German people in the early 1900s!" Which shows their lack of knowledge on history. For one, most Germans didn't buy into the anti Jewish and bigoted rhetoric back then. The Nazis needed an unprecedented propaganda campaign in conjunction with taking over the radio waves and murdering people who disagreed to change the sentiment of the populous and that took years. And even then the really brutal stuff they did to Jews and other groups they did in secret because they knew it wouldn't be thought of well by the people. Why do you think the Holocaust was used in code as "the final solution to the Jewish question." And even before the election, most Germans thought Hitler was a rambling idiot, it wasn't until the Great Depression Germans started to buy in that he could turn the economy around.
Sorry for the diatribe, but that's always the go-to argument for platforms being dangerous, but it isn't true. Letting people speak openly is actually the best way to get people to turn on your ideas and find them as wrong, not the other way around. Why do you think I'm police interrogations they want suspects talking as much as possible? The longer people with bad ideas talk, the harder it is to keep up a facade.
Rogan, by having people on you disagree with is the best thing, not the worst. And it also sets a great precedent that people, regardless of what you believe, are entitled to those ideas, because at some point(like we see on RE) even normal innocuous beliefs will be snuffed out and that's a worse future overall. Otherwise, these people will just go underground and become more radicalized.
The counter to this is always Nazi Germany. "Tell that to the German people in the early 1900s!" Which shows their lack of knowledge on history. For one, most Germans didn't buy into the anti Jewish and bigoted rhetoric back then. The Nazis needed an unprecedented propaganda campaign in conjunction with taking over the radio waves and murdering people who disagreed to change the sentiment of the populous and that took years. And even then the really brutal stuff they did to Jews and other groups they did in secret because they knew it wouldn't be thought of well by the people. Why do you think the Holocaust was used in code as "the final solution to the Jewish question." And even before the election, most Germans thought Hitler was a rambling idiot, it wasn't until the Great Depression Germans started to buy in that he could turn the economy around.
Sorry for the diatribe, but that's always the go-to argument for platforms being dangerous, but it isn't true. Letting people speak openly is actually the best way to get people to turn on your ideas and find them as wrong, not the other way around. Why do you think I'm police interrogations they want suspects talking as much as possible? The longer people with bad ideas talk, the harder it is to keep up a facade.
Rogan, by having people on you disagree with is the best thing, not the worst. And it also sets a great precedent that people, regardless of what you believe, are entitled to those ideas, because at some point(like we see on RE) even normal innocuous beliefs will be snuffed out and that's a worse future overall. Otherwise, these people will just go underground and become more radicalized.
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Wait... is excel Canadian??
#Phonepunk#
Banned
holy shit Ex isn't even a US citizen. a whiny Canadian crybaby.
fuck these foreign actors stirring division in our political system.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I'm no fan of Milo and I haven't seen the Rogan episode he appeared on, but what do you fear will happen to normal people if Milo gets to talk to Rogan? He's a ridiculous provocateur and I think most people see him for that.
Captain Zyrain
Member
Wait... is excel Canadian??
Beat me to it! Haha yeah, so much drama and posts and.. he's fucking Canadian.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Quoting prophecy.
It's amusing, isn't it? Been going on for awhile.
Captain Zyrain
Member
Literally eating their own.
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www.resetera.com
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 1| THE ANTI BENGHAZI (Read Staff Post)
Did more than simply imply. You have been on a recent kick of defending and infantilizing racists. Won't someone think of the nazi? He's only economically anxious. They only need a little compassion. Those mean old minorities and shitlibs just won't give it to them just because he believes...
www.resetera.com
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That is exactly what they little Bish was doing here, as a mod at one time.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Do they realize that the Presidency isn't decided by popular vote?
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Puts GamerGate in a whole new light, too, doesn't it?
SpiceRacz
Member
Cybrwzrd
Banned
What is wrong with a gay white man who likes big black cocks? Is he not allowed a platform? Why so homophobic?
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Papa
Banned
accel
Member
OK, I'll bite. What's wrong with Milo? The worst I can say about him is that he is a poser. What do I not know about him? If you say something like "he's a transphobe" like you did about Rogan (no, he is not), I'd appreciate if you referenced a key incident.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
wow seeing some of the most woke get banned today. so many bodies. what a bloody day.
SpiceRacz
Member
What's the worst case scenario of him being on Joe Rogan's podcast?
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe they'll actually wake up to the insanity they've taken part in.
Nester99
Member
Excelsior is Jessica Yaniv
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Out of curiosity, I checked out the Canada Poliera thread. Unsurprisingly, excel doesn't post there. Can't be arsed about their own government, yet feels the need to tell Americans how to vote.
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Papa
Banned
I missed the whole Milo drama because I wasn't around for gamer gate but I've watched quite a few of his videos since and listened to him on Rogan and the dude is funny as fuck. I like him. I've not once heard anything that makes me believe he's the white supremacist the Ree types accuse him of being.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
That someone might actually listen to Milo and figure out that he is funny, smart, and a troll and take things a little less seriously.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Rogan is not Alt Right. He's not right of center. Not even left of center. He's pretty firmly on the left. Not hella far fucking left tho.
His values are centered around core American values. Something the far left can't tolerate or understand.
His values are centered around core American values. Something the far left can't tolerate or understand.
TaySan
Banned
I don't like CNN or media in general either for taking neo nazis like Richard as a quest. But i have no control over that unfortunately.
He's a misogynist and a self hating homophobe.
https://www.vox.com/2017/10/14/1646...ash-talks-pope-in-catholic-magazine-interview
pulga
Banned
I don't like CNN or media in general either for taking neo nazis like Richard as a quest. But i have no control over that unfortunately.
He's a misogynist and a self hating homophobe.
https://www.vox.com/2017/10/14/1646...ash-talks-pope-in-catholic-magazine-interview
and half of era are self hating white cis men
not that that has anything to do with your argument
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Plague Doctor
Member
A white PM who has a history of black face is fine. American politicians, literal racists.
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
If the poster only thinks of themselves why insinuate that they ever think about black people?
Also, lol at "you're not a real progressive" used as a taunt.
"You're not a real gamer"
"you're not my real dad"
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
And how do we treat those that do not vote democrat again?
daemissary
Member
ERA and the left generally treats people like total fucking morons.
"Platforming" as a sin is the dumbest shit I've ever heard...it only makes sense if you think the average person is so unbelievably stupid that they'll like whatever garbage you put in front of their faces. Like no, when Rogan has Bari Weiss on...I can listen to her ideas and accept the good ones and reject and roast her over the horrific ones and move on with my day. Same with Milo or whoever else.
I don't need you curating my content. Thanks.
"Platforming" as a sin is the dumbest shit I've ever heard...it only makes sense if you think the average person is so unbelievably stupid that they'll like whatever garbage you put in front of their faces. Like no, when Rogan has Bari Weiss on...I can listen to her ideas and accept the good ones and reject and roast her over the horrific ones and move on with my day. Same with Milo or whoever else.
I don't need you curating my content. Thanks.
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