Slurpy2k20
Member
So many SEEM to be on the brink of self awareness, in a fucked up reverse parody kind of way.
Pathetic indeed.
Pathetic indeed.
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TacoSavage
Member
Now there is a thread about the representation of prisoners in a fucking comic book videogame, i mean I simply have no words
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Ol'Scratch
Member
Hey thanksnush - probably driving the coffin nail deeper by responding here but it is what it is. I have (had?
) some good friends over there but it's getting a little scary. I wish everyone the best.
Guess I messed up and actually posted my honest feedback in a public space.
Whatabout that, eh?
One of the things that really sucks to me is that there is literally no reasoning. They have become everything that they in their minds they fight against. If you have any thought or any question or try to have any discussion you ARE a nazi , you ARE transphobic/racist/homophobic.
It is like the the Sith, except like the short bus helmet wearing Darth Derp Derp version
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Bend for me bois...how fucking self-centered you can be?So do i!
better go out and buy a new TV and PS5 to make myself feel better.
DeadMansParty
Member
i would love for someone to shitpost and post a poll just to see the result about what people think about the game there. kyuuji would have a damn heart attack over the results.So many SEEM to be on the brink of self awareness, in a fucked up reverse parody kind of way.
Pathetic indeed.
Gunslinger
Member
i saw on the ps5 stock watch thread. He bought one from walmart recently i don’t know what he is talking about here.
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Rex_DX
Gold Member
might as well post what I got the ban for:
" So, I have been reading and reading. Damn, near a week now.
Cyberpunk 2077 is problematic and is nigh on banned from approved discussion and this situation (the polite term) has been begging the question: Has there been any discourse on how future releases are to be treated moving forward? Surely, if this CD Projekt Red game deserves this amount of scrutiny, most of the upcoming major releases should be treated the same, right? Logic would dictate. Is this enthusiast games forum open to banning discussion of, say, GTA VI? You know that game is going to be a powder keg for this community. Why hasn't discussion of Ubisoft products been banned as well for so, so, so many reasons? Fallout '76 also seemed to be problematic. Shouldn't that have been a prohibited title along with other Bethesda releases? Or on that note should not all Microsoft-published games be banned from discourse what with the ZeniMax acquisition? Guilt by association is convenient; the guillotine silences all.
One interpretation for Cyberpunk 2077 necessitating thousand-word mod posts (and lord knows how much effort and back-and-forth from the poor moderation staff) would be that trans' rights seem to trump misogyny and good, old-fashioned racism on this website, though that is not my take, I see the argument and I see the debate team hats coming out. Isn’t Ubisoft an equally hateful company when compared to CD Projekt Red? More so? Harry Potter games are just a given for the ban-pile, I assume, probably releasing with a promised "text-only," mod-written thread, if at all. God forbid we get a Kingdom Come sequel.
If these numerous releases are even approved for discussion, what about the users who play them and comment? Did they happen to get a copy from Amazon.com? This is a company that openly exploits its workers to the point of suicide. This is a company that uses forced-labor camps in Uighur China. Literal slave labor. Surely users who use Amazon, WalMart, Cost Co., Best Buy, LG, Toshiba, Verizon, Apple, TCL, Sony, Microsoft, Ford, Corsair, MSI, Valve, Intuit, FIS, Google, Razer, Qualcomm, Alphabet, Facebook, Instagram, Intel, AT&T, Cisco, Comcast, Toyota, GE, WhatsApp, Adobe, Netflix, nVidia, AMD, Texas Instruments, Samsung, Insignia, General Motors, Philips, Oculus, Hewlett-Packard, or IMB products deserve a permanent ban because using these problematic company's products condones these problematic company's practices? These transgressions should surely be more prominent on this forum than say, a Mix It Up ad, the treatment of prisoner stereotypes, or sexual character designs, right? These are companies who actually make money from slave labor, yet this forum is writing 7,000-word posts about the lack of inclusiveness in a microcosm of a pass-time that requires users to throw money at the companies listed above (though, to be fair, I may have left one or two off that list but surely you get the point). This seems like a double-standard and this seems like hypocrisy and this seems like bullshit.
I guess my question is this: is equality important to the folks who frequent this website? I appreciate the political ramifications of this site's treatment of the year's biggest game release, but it needs to do the same for all titles moving forward or this becomes a hollow, one-note hill to die on, and, congratulations, people here picked a hill to die on, but it was the wrong damn hill.
And I guess my point is this: why does the opinion of a minority group get carte-blanche to dictate policy on this site, when there are issues in play that affect every single person here, not just a percentage? Where are the torches and pitchforks for the death toll a release like the PlayStation 5 induced? If you want to take a stance, good; take that stance, believe in something; fight the power. Good for you. Remember though, there are often much larger issues at play, and your time could be better spent on a street corner protesting the things you believe in rather than cross-checking which ResetERA users cross-post on NeoGAF. Set the bar a bit higher for yourself.
I mean not to belittle the politics of this community but more-so the manner in which it chooses to push them.
So. What do we do about upcoming games? Is there a discussion about this? And more importantly for the average ResetERA user: is there a transparent discussion – perhaps a sticky? - between moderation staff and the general users about what this website is rapidly devolving into that does not involve "trials by Discord," doxxing, or behind the scenes chicanery?
I'd like to know. Maybe a few others would, too.
Much love to every single one of you. "
Yeah, its "whatabouttism" at its finest, but I think its also a valid criticism of the double-standard they have over there.
Saw someone here mention I'm a "bit too grandiose" ... fair - very fair. But I was trying to go toe-to-toe with the crazy dissertations already posted so ... this feels tame!
" So, I have been reading and reading. Damn, near a week now.
Cyberpunk 2077 is problematic and is nigh on banned from approved discussion and this situation (the polite term) has been begging the question: Has there been any discourse on how future releases are to be treated moving forward? Surely, if this CD Projekt Red game deserves this amount of scrutiny, most of the upcoming major releases should be treated the same, right? Logic would dictate. Is this enthusiast games forum open to banning discussion of, say, GTA VI? You know that game is going to be a powder keg for this community. Why hasn't discussion of Ubisoft products been banned as well for so, so, so many reasons? Fallout '76 also seemed to be problematic. Shouldn't that have been a prohibited title along with other Bethesda releases? Or on that note should not all Microsoft-published games be banned from discourse what with the ZeniMax acquisition? Guilt by association is convenient; the guillotine silences all.
One interpretation for Cyberpunk 2077 necessitating thousand-word mod posts (and lord knows how much effort and back-and-forth from the poor moderation staff) would be that trans' rights seem to trump misogyny and good, old-fashioned racism on this website, though that is not my take, I see the argument and I see the debate team hats coming out. Isn’t Ubisoft an equally hateful company when compared to CD Projekt Red? More so? Harry Potter games are just a given for the ban-pile, I assume, probably releasing with a promised "text-only," mod-written thread, if at all. God forbid we get a Kingdom Come sequel.
If these numerous releases are even approved for discussion, what about the users who play them and comment? Did they happen to get a copy from Amazon.com? This is a company that openly exploits its workers to the point of suicide. This is a company that uses forced-labor camps in Uighur China. Literal slave labor. Surely users who use Amazon, WalMart, Cost Co., Best Buy, LG, Toshiba, Verizon, Apple, TCL, Sony, Microsoft, Ford, Corsair, MSI, Valve, Intuit, FIS, Google, Razer, Qualcomm, Alphabet, Facebook, Instagram, Intel, AT&T, Cisco, Comcast, Toyota, GE, WhatsApp, Adobe, Netflix, nVidia, AMD, Texas Instruments, Samsung, Insignia, General Motors, Philips, Oculus, Hewlett-Packard, or IMB products deserve a permanent ban because using these problematic company's products condones these problematic company's practices? These transgressions should surely be more prominent on this forum than say, a Mix It Up ad, the treatment of prisoner stereotypes, or sexual character designs, right? These are companies who actually make money from slave labor, yet this forum is writing 7,000-word posts about the lack of inclusiveness in a microcosm of a pass-time that requires users to throw money at the companies listed above (though, to be fair, I may have left one or two off that list but surely you get the point). This seems like a double-standard and this seems like hypocrisy and this seems like bullshit.
I guess my question is this: is equality important to the folks who frequent this website? I appreciate the political ramifications of this site's treatment of the year's biggest game release, but it needs to do the same for all titles moving forward or this becomes a hollow, one-note hill to die on, and, congratulations, people here picked a hill to die on, but it was the wrong damn hill.
And I guess my point is this: why does the opinion of a minority group get carte-blanche to dictate policy on this site, when there are issues in play that affect every single person here, not just a percentage? Where are the torches and pitchforks for the death toll a release like the PlayStation 5 induced? If you want to take a stance, good; take that stance, believe in something; fight the power. Good for you. Remember though, there are often much larger issues at play, and your time could be better spent on a street corner protesting the things you believe in rather than cross-checking which ResetERA users cross-post on NeoGAF. Set the bar a bit higher for yourself.
I mean not to belittle the politics of this community but more-so the manner in which it chooses to push them.
So. What do we do about upcoming games? Is there a discussion about this? And more importantly for the average ResetERA user: is there a transparent discussion – perhaps a sticky? - between moderation staff and the general users about what this website is rapidly devolving into that does not involve "trials by Discord," doxxing, or behind the scenes chicanery?
I'd like to know. Maybe a few others would, too.
Much love to every single one of you. "
Yeah, its "whatabouttism" at its finest, but I think its also a valid criticism of the double-standard they have over there.
Saw someone here mention I'm a "bit too grandiose" ... fair - very fair. But I was trying to go toe-to-toe with the crazy dissertations already posted so ... this feels tame!
nush
Member
Can we all agree that the "whataboutism" bannable offence over there is ridiculous?
So you can't prose in the form of a question an answer if someone says "I dislike this company for [*] reason - but I like this other company for [*] reason." You're not allowed to say "But what about the fact that they've done [*] that you said you disliked, that the other company you said you liked has also done?"
That seems like a pretty reasonable way to answer a question by probing with your own query to me.
But what would I know? Trojan Horses can't think for themselves
So you can't prose in the form of a question an answer if someone says "I dislike this company for [*] reason - but I like this other company for [*] reason." You're not allowed to say "But what about the fact that they've done [*] that you said you disliked, that the other company you said you liked has also done?"
That seems like a pretty reasonable way to answer a question by probing with your own query to me.
But what would I know? Trojan Horses can't think for themselves
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DeadMansParty
Member
Remember, that is not counting GOG.
Ol'Scratch
Member
So many people in that thread are trying to hard to down play everything about the game and find reasons to talk bad about it but they are just getting over flooded with people loving it.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
The women who reviewed Cyberpunk 2077 for GameSpot and Polygon are being harassed and threatened on social media
Some people are pretty stupid. However, this thread might just fan the flames even more so I'm not sure what's the point at the end?www.resetera.com
Do these peoples have the memory of a newt? Go ask Jim Sterling the shit he got for giving BOTW a 7. You don’t need trans issues, you don’t need to be a woman reviewing a game, you just have to go against the flow for one of the most hyped games. At least Jim played it fairly and it was not his cup of tea. Callie Plagge though, clearly did not do her job. Does not warrant harassment or threats, but let’s not act like this is something new.
Papacheeks
Banned
CaptainConlock
Member
I was the guy who said it was a "bit too grandiose" and to be honest I didn't expect you to come here, but after your explanation, it makes more sense. While it's still pretty dramatized, it's a very eloquently written piece and you make some great points!
Ol'Scratch
Member
Cyberpunk 2077 now has 2nd highest Steam concurrent player record for a paid game (+1 million concurrent players) News
https://steamdb.info/graph/ This is crazy. Could be one of the biggest game launches in history.
Pull!
Slurpy2k20
Member
Like I said, they always seem to be on the brink of self-awareness, but can never quite get there. I mean, holy fuck at that last post. Haven't you assholes been raging about CP for a fucking year?
Also, why the fuck should CDPR "make a statement"? Because of random social media comments towards reviewers? This is literally the case for every single fucking game/movie/etc review since the internet was invented. Love how they throw this on CDPR's plate and pretend they own it. Fucking self-righteous asshats.
Also, why the fuck should CDPR "make a statement"? Because of random social media comments towards reviewers? This is literally the case for every single fucking game/movie/etc review since the internet was invented. Love how they throw this on CDPR's plate and pretend they own it. Fucking self-righteous asshats.
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Rex_DX
Gold Member
Hey thanks, man. I kinda made more of it than I wanted to. It started as a 100-word query but I am an English professor by trade so I get ahead of myself sometimes (though these days I tend a bar for a living, laugh it up, ERA). I also had four Sierra Nevadas in my system and just had to let loose. It was stream of consciousness crap to some extent is all I'm saying.
Pretty sure that whole thread is made up of unemployed English-majors like myself so I probably just came off as a mildly articulate hillbilly. Life goes on ...
It's also worthy of note that we're not just signing up/coming back here because we're not allowed there.
NeoGAF is the OG video game forum. So many forum traditions, mainstays and even copycat sites arose from this very place. It was the go-to site to not only talk about videogames and entertainment in general; but also to get the scoop on the latest news, gossip and rumours as well as leaks - and any developer, director, or media personality worth their salt was a member here, or at least looked at it often.
I remember when Neil Druckmann name-dropped NeoGAF on-stage. You don't hear any influencers or developers name-dropping ResetEra.
There's a reason for that.
NeoGAF is the OG video game forum. So many forum traditions, mainstays and even copycat sites arose from this very place. It was the go-to site to not only talk about videogames and entertainment in general; but also to get the scoop on the latest news, gossip and rumours as well as leaks - and any developer, director, or media personality worth their salt was a member here, or at least looked at it often.
I remember when Neil Druckmann name-dropped NeoGAF on-stage. You don't hear any influencers or developers name-dropping ResetEra.
There's a reason for that.
dolabla
Member
Can we all agree that the "whataboutism" bannable offence over there is ridiculous?
So you can't prose in the form of a question an answer if someone says "I dislike this company for [*] reason - but I like this other company for [*] reason." You're not allowed to say "But what about the fact that they've done [*], that the other company you said you disliked has also done?"
That seems like a pretty reasonable way to answer a question by probing with your own query to me.
But what would I know? Trojan Horses can't think for themselves
No doubt. They can't refute shit, so just scream whataboutism (or insert some other buzzword) and go on a banning spree. It's not a forum where you can have a real discussion. It's not a forum where you can have fun, which btw that's the whole point of posting on a message board (especially a gaming forum) is supposed to be about it. It's not a gaming forum. It's a miserable hellhole looking to spread their misery on to you.
Rillania
Gold Member
That's the magic of the internet. None of that IRL shyness stuff matters one iota. You can be whatever you want to be
Unfortunately, for some that means they think they get to be assholes with little repercussions, but I like to think that it can and should be used for good instead.
True that! I guess I'll counter that with I like who I am, so I want to be myself.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Now there is a thread about the representation of prisoners in a fucking comic book videogame, i mean I simply have no words
Video games based on fantasy and science fiction comics - they're not an escape, no, they're just like real life!
djinferno807
Neo Member
Today I learned that "whataboutism" is a fucking word? Have a woken up in some retarded dream?
These people have serious mental health problems. And I'm not saying that lightly or to poke fun. They need help.
CaptainConlock
Member
Banned permanently for whataboutism and transphobia and xenophobia and trollingSomeone needs to post a variation of this on reee
Rex_DX
Gold Member
Someone needs to post a variation of this on reee
Everyone prepare to welcome Smoky Dave to the old site.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Cyberpunk is the bigger game (on paper for now)
But Harry Potter is a huge IP....if they treat that game with the same respect that Insomniac treated Spider-man (in other words, its a fantastic game), then HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTTS! The only thing CDPR did wrong is that they put Trans characters in their games in a way that the TransERA community didn't like. There's nothing Transphobic about that at all.
The Harry Potter drama is far more inflammatory due to JKR's comments, which directly calls out the issues in that community in pretty blunt terms that they don't like. Now, why would this ever influence whether you buy a game or not? As another poster alluded to, these games are made by thousands of people in total if you include all the outsourced artists. Guess what? One of the people that worked on these games has an opinion on a subject that differs from yours. Having an opinion on a subject makes absolutely zero difference in your day-to-day life unless they somehow manage to institute legislation that creates laws that somehow materially impacts the way that you live. This world is filled with differences of opinion, if you cancelled every person that made a contribution to the food and products you consume, you would not live very long in this world.
So as I said before, if this CDPR drama doesn't kill of ResetERA, then Harry Potter mostly certainly is where it will all come to a boil.
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Dorohedoro
Member
"So tell me about yourself Cyclonesweep. Any interesting hobbies?"
"Umm, well, I love playing video games."
"Oh so you're a gamer? Cool, I heard the new Playstation and Xbox are all the rage right now."
"No, I'm not a gamer."
Good post but the real issue is that the things they are proclaming to be transphobic are not transphobic... even to other trans. That's the real problem that's not being addressed. There are no trans slurs or hate in the game. If anything that ad they have so much issue with is promoting trans! Its a handful of people at that place deciding for an entire group of people what's offensive or not. And then they go and slander an entire company for not bowing down to them. CDPR has done nothing transphobic. A bad joke doesn't make an entire company transphobic. Those people are lunatics.
kbear
Member
In TLOU2 trans representation amounted to a minor side character who was a trans guy that ended up getting relentlessly tortured.
In Cyberpunk 2077 you can literally play as a trans main character, which is more representation than any other AAA game in history, yet it’s the most transphobic video game of all time because of a poster for a soft drink.
In Cyberpunk 2077 you can literally play as a trans main character, which is more representation than any other AAA game in history, yet it’s the most transphobic video game of all time because of a poster for a soft drink.
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So Cyberpunk 2077 is the first AAA game that allows you to play as a trans person?
Instantly making it one of the most "progressive" games ever made.
And the coterie of hysterical howler monkeys on ResetEra keep attacking this game instead of just admitting they were wrong?
But now they are too far gone. It can't be walked back. Too many innocent users have been chased off the forum. How could B-Dubs ever walk that back? He can't so they have to maintain the charade AT ALL COST.
To admit a mistake of that magnitude would mean B-Dubs would be the next to go in the guillotine.
Instantly making it one of the most "progressive" games ever made.
And the coterie of hysterical howler monkeys on ResetEra keep attacking this game instead of just admitting they were wrong?
But now they are too far gone. It can't be walked back. Too many innocent users have been chased off the forum. How could B-Dubs ever walk that back? He can't so they have to maintain the charade AT ALL COST.
To admit a mistake of that magnitude would mean B-Dubs would be the next to go in the guillotine.
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mdsfx
Member
Agreed. The options within the character creator are pretty damn robust. I would've thought this to be a positive in terms of representation.
Also, I actually LIKE the "mix it up" poster. Yes, it's super provacative/nsfw, but why is that a problem? I thought it was kind of badass in a way.
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ManaByte
Member
It does have smart delivery.
pogggggereree
Neo Member
Not only that but CDPR resides in a very homophobic and transphobic country.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is a great fucking post and clearly shows their hypocrisy. You've got literal slave labor in china right now and they are actually making PS5s and other consoles. No one cares over there. I mean even I dont care considering i bought three PS5s. and thats just the men. the women are getting married off to chinese men outside of their religion. literally forced rape, and again, no one cares.
everyone gets it. you cannot get outraged over every bad thing that happens on this planet. we have to keep going or we will never be happy. the problem with era is that the trans community has turned into hateful bullies. they dont give a fuck about anything other than cancelling people. cancelling games. cancelling fun. i have never seen a minority be so toxic. we went through decades of civil rights in the u.s, decades of anti-gay sentiment as well as anti-muslim fervor after 9/11, but I did not see any of these minorities behave the way these people have done.
What they did to JK rowlings is awful. All she said was that kids shouldnt be allowed to change their sex before they even hit puberty and that was apparently blasphemy. that young lesbians girls being recruited and brainwashed into getting a sex surgery is something we should look into because actual women who have done that regret ever getting a sex change.
LGBT rights in this country have never been better. their biggest fight is that people are making did you assume my gender jokes. i wonder if they have even read up on how poorly the gay community was treated after the aids epidemic.
HUELEN10
Member
So my saves carry over and I get 9th gen version when it’s ready?
Fuck, I’m buying. Thanks NeoGAF, and ResetEra too I guess; gonna make a punk me.
Rex_DX
Gold Member
I'm not sure they're lunatics - there are some great people over there, after all, but the "real issue" I was trying (and perhaps failing) to get at is how the site will function moving forward. If ResetERA wants to be a platform for social change first and foremost, instead of being the mainstay forum for the gaming industry, then fine. I applaud that. People taking a stand is a positive for me because at least they're doing something. But they better decide if they're a political platform or a gaming forum sooner rather than later.
Because, to me, having trans issues become the announcer in the echo-chamber is bad only because it drowns out so many other issues. I'll defend to the death those user's rights to articulate their case (and often they have a really good one!), but god we have so many larger fish to fry than CDPR in this industry. I wasn't asking to spite people; I was asking to try and provoke a response which obviously just ... got me banned instead of instigating some communication. When a minority voice drowns out all others, to me, that is dangerous. Beware the man who has read but one book etc., etc.
So why was there no upheaval over Ubisoft games? Seems to me to be a fair question but the only people responding took the acid tab long ago, I suppose.
mdsfx
Member
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A Polish games developer turned out to be more progressive than a bunch of ResetEra moderators.
2020 delivers.
teezzy
Banned
Cyber redhead on a punk moped
Slurpy2k20
Member
Indeed, it has.
Question: Why the fuck do so many people here make claims like "99% of resetera users are great, it's the tiny handful minority that ruins things"?
I mean look at the below thread. 8 pages of people blaming CDPR for all mean social media comments reviewers, and demanding they need to make a "statement". Not a SINGLE fucking post of pushback or mentioning how absolutely absurd this concept is. Every single person agrees that its all on CDPR's head. Na, it's not a minority. And the rest are cowards.
The women who reviewed Cyberpunk 2077 for GameSpot and Polygon are being harassed and threatened on social media
The quartering's audience is manchildren who've long since lost all sense of having an actual identity beyond vapid consumerism.
www.resetera.com
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Are you REALLY trying to equate forced slave labor in china to the massive suffering that the TransERA community has to endure on a DAILY basis in this country, ESPECIALLY when they ARE FORCED to play MASSIVELY TRANSPHOBIC GAMES on a routine basis and they get NO SUPPORT or RESPECT from the RESETERA COMMUNITY OR MODERATION TEAM?
REALLY? Is this REALLY the HILL YOU WANT TO DIE ON?
djinferno807
Neo Member
The women who reviewed Cyberpunk 2077 for GameSpot and Polygon are being harassed and threatened on social media
I believe this is worthy of its own thread rather than being drowned out in other Cyberpunk threads, as it already was in the OT yesterday. For context, the GameSpot and Polygon reviews, written by Kallie Plagge and Carolyn Petit respectively, both shine a spotlight on the representation and...
Here's a new thread from our favorite self-appointed white knight. Not surprisingly, much of the thread is blaming the harassment on CDPR themselves and anyone hyping the game who's not explicitly making a statement on this.
And loooooooots of "fucking gamers" self-loathing about their hobby.
Some real gems in here.
These guys are sick. The reason we are giving them shit and calling them out is because they are bad reviewers not because they are women.
The GameSpot girl literally said she didn't upgrade weapons, buy outfits, or do side quests because she didn't want to help the cops. Wtf? If you don't like RPGs, why the fuck are you reviewing one.
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