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RESIDENT EVIL 6 |OT| No Trope Left
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brandonh83
Banned
Yeah but you can just turn the camera. I guess that's what I'm not understanding. It's a matter of simply rotating it. Maybe there's something about that that isn't working for some people I guess, I'm just not seeing it personally.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Intended, since there's no way to share or trade your items, like in RE5.
So, if you see a green herb, feel free to grab it, it won't dissapear for your co-op partner and he will be able to pick it up as well.
Reckless Onion
Member
Yeah, i kinda like it. No more bitching about who gets what gun/stuff. I was always fighting over the guns in RE5 coop since we both like shotguns/assaults.
Sweet!
The perfect Dark
Banned
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I don't think it's elegant to have to wiggle the camera back and forth to achieve full awareness of the battlefield in front of you. Other games manage to just show it to you. I get that they wanted RE6 to be different in various ways, but this seems like choosing form over function, and not for very good reason.
brandonh83
Banned
I see. Just wondering. It's a non-issue for me but I can only speak for myself.
whizthekid
Neo Member
I seriously thought this game was coming out near the end of the month. I'm still undecided though about buying it.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
It's one of those things people disagree on. I prefer a close perspective.
When I played fallout I zoomed the camera right in over the shoulder... was the only way I could stomach the third person view (it hid most of the horrid animation) and a closer camera makes you feel closer to the world, imo.
But people will never agree on this. FOV is a hot-button issue. Especially with PC-mostly gamers.
Or rather, random assholes won't hog up all the herbs and make you wonder why the hell you're playing with random people.
brandonh83
Banned
I guess for me its like, as long as I can play the game with no trouble, I don't really care or notice. And I can. I mean I think the camera could be better, but I'm not really sure how. When I'm playing the demo I don't find myself wishing it were pulled back or pushed forward, and I have no problem rotating the camera to find my subject or my way around.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Alright you know what, I am going to blow your guys' minds. I don't just tolerate the camera system, I actually think it's one of my favorite camera systems out there.
I am very picky about my cameras. I want my cameras to point in a certain direction at a certain angle at certain points in time. In most games, the camera adjusts itself both horizontally and vertically based on the direction you are running or what you are doing. I hate this. I am an accomplished enough gamer that I can adjust my own damn camera to look at what I want to look at. If I'm running around and I want to look at the skybox, I don't want you to adjust my camera downwards because that is the "proper" place to be looking. I'm the one playing dammit, let me control my own damn camera.
RE6 lets me do this. If I want the camera facing behind me while I run towards the camera, it lets me do that without panning the camera so that it is eventually behind me. If I want to run to the right but I want to keep an eye on the enemies to my left, I can do that. Hell, it even gives me the option to make the "center camera" button only center the camera horizontally and not vertically. This is amazing.
I will agree that I would prefer the camera to be slightly more zoomed out so I can see more of the battlefield, but the camera freedom as it currently stands is amazing, and I wouldn't want it changed.
I am very picky about my cameras. I want my cameras to point in a certain direction at a certain angle at certain points in time. In most games, the camera adjusts itself both horizontally and vertically based on the direction you are running or what you are doing. I hate this. I am an accomplished enough gamer that I can adjust my own damn camera to look at what I want to look at. If I'm running around and I want to look at the skybox, I don't want you to adjust my camera downwards because that is the "proper" place to be looking. I'm the one playing dammit, let me control my own damn camera.
RE6 lets me do this. If I want the camera facing behind me while I run towards the camera, it lets me do that without panning the camera so that it is eventually behind me. If I want to run to the right but I want to keep an eye on the enemies to my left, I can do that. Hell, it even gives me the option to make the "center camera" button only center the camera horizontally and not vertically. This is amazing.
I will agree that I would prefer the camera to be slightly more zoomed out so I can see more of the battlefield, but the camera freedom as it currently stands is amazing, and I wouldn't want it changed.
plagiarize
Banned
I don't think it's so much an FOV issue as it is how much of the character covers up the screen, and what part of the screen they cover up. You can have enemies directly infront of you that you can't see, that your character is staring straight at. Unless you wiggle the camera about but that's not the best solution.
we aren't talking about people that hate third person, we're talking about people that didn't complain about the cameras in RE4, RE5, REvelations and the dead space series. over the shoulder is one thing, a low camera with your character taking up almost quarter of the screen just off center is a whole other issue. one that i still hope they offer a way around.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
The game requires constantly dodging and moving, you should not care about managing the camera constantly. Or rather you shouldn't be constantly moving the camera to find your enemies or be wary of your surroundings.
This is Vanquish, and you can see how the character occupies a reasonable amount of screen and how you can have a much better look of the battlefield and surroundings without having to move the camera to both sides. Basically this is true for the 90% TPS out there, is worked fine in 4 and 5 and the we got this mess.
FOV doesn't affect everybody. It has never really bothered me before, but the camera being this close in a TPS, the world seems to be rotating around the character, instead of me adjusting my view of it. It makes me feel unwell, I guess it's like an optical thing to do with the horizontal field of view seeming to be less than my own, like putting my hands up to my temple to obscure my peripheral vision.
and the people still carrying on about the OT being 3 posts:
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Is this just during a sprint? I'm a little confused about it... the menu iirc made it sound like it was referring to camera correction during a sprint (the only time you can't control it yourself, unless sprinting with L3)
brandonh83
Banned
I understand what you mean now. Thanks for explaining. I agree with what you're saying despite it not having so much of an effect on me. I'd definitely like to see how the game would look if the camera were like the one in Vanquish.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
You can kind of see this by looking at the E3 demo... the camera was much further back in that demonstration.
brandonh83
Banned
Ok, I'll check it out. I'm on kind of the opposite of a media blackout right now anyway.
That is fine and dandy when there is only one enemy you're facing off against. When there are multiple enemies and you need to be aware of your surrounding and need to dispatch them quickly, the closed-in FOV means you have to rotate the camera every so often just to see all of them. This in effect, can create a motion sickness for few people. Also, humans don't look at our surrounding the way FPS character or character in RE6 does. Even when we can't see our back, we usually are able to see what's on our left and right side easily without turning our head completely. This is not possible to do in-game without pulling the camera back away from the character's model. This is why the closed-in FOV feels cramped for many people. It's just not a natural state for humans to look at their surroundings.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I think it applies to both sprint and just tapping to center, but I could be wrong. I haven't really compared them.
Not sure it'd work in enclosed spaces.
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Yknow, I would swear when we were having this argument about the camera in the DD demo we were specifically talking about the aiming camera. Did people play the DD demo?
brandonh83
Banned
Maybe it will be more noticeable when I'm playing through the full game and putting hours upon hours into it. Right now I'm okay with what I've played but I get your guys' logic on the matter nonetheless.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
People were not just referring to the aiming camera... you're mistaken.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't know. I'm just trying to have a reasonable, level-headed conversation about the game. I hope some people find that inspirational.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Vanquish has plenty of enclosed places, it works just fine. As does any TPS camera that isn't RE6.
Huh. Playing around with the Demo, I can almost fix the controls. Aiming with the left analog, shooting with square.. just need to get the camera to lock to leon's back and put melee on L1 and reload on X.
By fixed, I mean by getting the controls back to being as close to RE4/5/Revelations as possible. 
Bruce Lee Kicks
Member
Yeah. The criticism here is that Capcom only fixed half the problem. The FOV doesn't really bother me, but I can understand the complaints about it.
There are many good reasons that FOV should be wider for PC games.
http://truepcgaming.com/2012/02/06/understanding-fov/
At the very least, adjustable FOV for PC versions should be the default (along with subs). Developers who don't include the option look like amateurs (Darksiders II, really Vigil, WTF?)
brandonh83
Banned
Yes sir.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
Sven:
"Yes. In fact, it should be available on PSN for download day of launch on the North American PSN Store. There's one remaining hurdle that could change that date slightly, but 10/2 is the target. Extra effort was made to make that happen for folks like yourself. Thanks."
Since we're this close and they haven't officialy delayed it yet, I take it we'll get it day one then!
Source:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_cap...1/29372769/resident-evil-6-psndigital-release
"Yes. In fact, it should be available on PSN for download day of launch on the North American PSN Store. There's one remaining hurdle that could change that date slightly, but 10/2 is the target. Extra effort was made to make that happen for folks like yourself. Thanks."
Since we're this close and they haven't officialy delayed it yet, I take it we'll get it day one then!
Source:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_cap...1/29372769/resident-evil-6-psndigital-release
And this for comparison is gears 3. Aiming camera is similarly close (with more vertical space visable) and there are just as many enclosed spaces, but look at the standing/unzoomed camera view. You can see your surroundings, unlike RE6.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
How do you do the thing where the picture is small until you click it?
edit: thanks guys below me
Anyway, this is just the first RE4 image I grabbed. Leon actually takes up varying amounts of space depending on what you're doing in the game. So sometimes you can see a lot more of him, but no matter what he obscures way less of the background.
edit2: added a more representative picture. the first one is Leon backing toward the camera.
How do you do the thing where the picture is small until you click it?
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MightyHedgehog
Member
I don't think it's even necessary to compare other game franchises to RE6. Just compare playing RE4 and 5 to 6. It's immediately apparent how closed-in the new one is.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Quote the images
So... at least the complaints about not being able to see below the waist are clearly bollocks?
It really doesn't bother me. Actually, I really liked the way it was in the DD demo, which had a pretty different aim camera.
And I do tend to think people who suffer from motion sickness are wusses. Probably shouldn't , but there it is.
It really doesn't bother me. Actually, I really liked the way it was in the DD demo, which had a pretty different aim camera.
And I do tend to think people who suffer from motion sickness are wusses. Probably shouldn't , but there it is.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Just checked, you're correct.
In the options menu it describes it as sprint correction but in practice it works in all circumstances.
edit: Day 1 PSN download! yay (now let me get greedy and ask for preload lol)
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