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Restaurant closing due to lack of staff in my area, anyone else?

Pol Pot

Banned
I'll cheer when they offer competitive wages to tipped employees, plus benefits such as pto and healthcare, end right to work laws, and ensure that daily sexual and other types of harassment are no longer tolerated.

Or maybe let them eat a meal in the middle of an open to close shift?

Nah. That's too much.
 

Davey Cakes

Member
It’s crazy how raising wages is the simplest solution yet people want to act like there’s something else at play.

Workers don’t want to be treated like shit all day for a wage that won’t pay all BASIC living expenses. Not a surprise.

The insult is that it took a worldwide pandemic and subsequent fallout to actually get everyone to talk about these real issues.
 
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DavidGzz

Gold Member
No one wants to work. My job at 911 is hurting. Been working nothing but 12s. We used to have applicants like mad. There were 80 people at my orientation, now we are lucky to get 3. Everyone wants unemployment instead. Then they bitch when immigrants want to come to "take my jerbs!". Lazy fucks.
 

hemo memo

You can't die before your death
Unlivable wage jobs with no healthcare, no benefits at all really, that offer hostile enviroments even in the best of times, with historically high turnover rates, zero stability or security, and no one wants them?

I just can't wrap my head around it.
True. The answer is really simple. Don’t feel sorry for those owners. Feel sorry for the people hired at unlivable wages.
 

evolvaer

Banned
Not related to your bro's delivery business.

All comes down to price, sales and costs. Food and drink have high margins. So if a pub selling a burger/fry plate for $15 has a cost of $3 (80% margin on ingredients). And it goes up to $4 in costs. Well, to maintain margin you got to increase to $20. Or sell for $16 to just cover the $1 pure increase. Or somewhere in the middle.

Labour costs are easier to figure out and another factor. If total daily wages/benefits paid out is $500 and it goes to $600. You got $100 to cover to breakeven.

Then to cover the $100. If the pub has an overall food/drink margin of 80%, you got to sell enough extra stuff daily to cover that too. So $125.

However, businesses facing cost increases typically don't increase price just to cover the cost increase breakeven. They will boost the price to bank some profits on the increase in price and sales.
I have no illusion of trying to convince you. You're looking at your past with rose tinted glasses. The fact you can't recall all the help you received while you failed your way to a cozy living speaks volumes.

I'm writing this to the other sane people in this thread. This ideology of go work hard it'll fix everything fails to address the real scavengers of society that are bleeding it dry. The upward transfer of wealth during covid has been STAGGERING. And guys like you are complaining about poor people refusing to be treated like shit and to get back on their knees because you have a notion you worked hard when you were young.

There are people in china working harder than you can ever conceive and they don't have a shred of the good life you undeservedly gained thru being alive at the right place and time.

Quit the self aggrandizing bs, you didn't earn where you are. You were born at the right time and place, and probably showed up to work like anyone with a pulse.

Your success comes from that, not working hard and boot strapping or whatever bs your generation likes to talk about.
 

nush

Gold Member
I have no illusion of trying to convince you. You're looking at your past with rose tinted glasses. The fact you can't recall all the help you received while you failed your way to a cozy living speaks volumes.

I'm writing this to the other sane people in this thread. This ideology of go work hard it'll fix everything fails to address the real scavengers of society that are bleeding it dry. The upward transfer of wealth during covid has been STAGGERING. And guys like you are complaining about poor people refusing to be treated like shit and to get back on their knees because you have a notion you worked hard when you were young.

There are people in china working harder than you can ever conceive and they don't have a shred of the good life you undeservedly gained thru being alive at the right place and time.

Quit the self aggrandizing bs, you didn't earn where you are. You were born at the right time and place, and probably showed up to work like anyone with a pulse.

Your success comes from that, not working hard and boot strapping or whatever bs your generation likes to talk about.

Let's hope he doesn't have unsuccessful siblings.
 

JayK47

Member
Luckily only slow service at some places so far. Long lines at some places. Turns out that places that treated employees well still have plenty. Maybe places that are closed should stay that way. Family owned businesses around here are doing great. Good riddance to places like Taco Bell and Panera.
 

Pol Pot

Banned
Luckily only slow service at some places so far. Long lines at some places. Turns out that places that treated employees well still have plenty. Maybe places that are closed should stay that way. Family owned businesses around here are doing great. Good riddance to places like Taco Bell and Panera.
It's too bad that many "family owned" businesses still subscribe to the "if he comments on your boobs, just smile and grab him a beer" philosophy.

I'm not singleling you out, there's just a lot more to it.

It's not just owners or management, and many of you still aren't getting it.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I have no illusion of trying to convince you. You're looking at your past with rose tinted glasses. The fact you can't recall all the help you received while you failed your way to a cozy living speaks volumes.

I'm writing this to the other sane people in this thread. This ideology of go work hard it'll fix everything fails to address the real scavengers of society that are bleeding it dry. The upward transfer of wealth during covid has been STAGGERING. And guys like you are complaining about poor people refusing to be treated like shit and to get back on their knees because you have a notion you worked hard when you were young.

There are people in china working harder than you can ever conceive and they don't have a shred of the good life you undeservedly gained thru being alive at the right place and time.

Quit the self aggrandizing bs, you didn't earn where you are. You were born at the right time and place, and probably showed up to work like anyone with a pulse.

Your success comes from that, not working hard and boot strapping or whatever bs your generation likes to talk about.
So your view is if you got shit skills and there's low paying McJobs around that businesses are trying to run and hire low skilled people to run it, you say don't because that job is too crap, cheap and a guy sitting sitting at home deserves only good jobs that pay great.

Ok slacker.

I'll say it again to anyone.

Get off your ass, stop milking hard working people paying into the pot and work. Contribute something to society than be a leech thinking you're too good for jobs that will take you back. If nobody wants to offer you $50k, $80k or $100k+/yr jobs, guess what? Take what comes your way. If you're such a great employee, you'd get offers from someone the past 10 or 20 years like the other millions of people with good jobs.

And if you think I'm crap and dont deserve a good job, too bad. I got one. Whether you think it's dumb luck or I earned it (which I did), I'm not the one scrambling with low skills and being broke. If someone out there wants to get paid $150k/yr staring at spreadsheets like me, just get a business degree, brush up on your numbers and spreadsheet skills, tidy up your resume, go on Linkedin to link up with recruiters, and every company needs number crunchers. It's not even a hard job (IMO) as Excel and SAP do the crunching for you most of the time. You just got to analyze the output and tell execs whats going on because they arent the ones who are going to sit there doing it and most people are numbnuts who dont like numbers so they need someone to synthesize it all. I'm not the one building the database. That's IT dept doing their magic.

You dont sit at home entitled waiting for a dream job off other people's money. You work your way up the chain.

As my parents would say to us as kids. Go to school and get a degree. Thats the nagging we got. We did. BUT, the second we got that piece of paper in your hand, it was a total 180. Now, it's get off you ass and get a job. Take whatever, get something on the resume and find better stuff later.

Never did they say, sit and wait for a dream job. I remember my dad even saying take a mail room job if that pops up. They probably dont even have these jobs anymore, but at the time every big company would have a mail room and an entry level grunt job would be doing menial work doing mail, faxing, printing out shit, doing binders for people and admin crap. He knew, because he worked in an office and saw it all.

And I actually got an interview for a job like that at Ricoh Canada probably around 1997. It paid I think $24,000 which is $12/hr. It was such a low end job I dont even know if it came with FT benefit. I never got the job. But if I was offered it Im taking it. Not like I had any other prospect jobs at the time. What am I going to do? Wait for an analyst job paying $40 or 50k?

Got to have some work ethic in life bud.
 
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Peggies

Gold Member
It's bullshit. Work it out, if he paid a worker say $10 more per hour at a 40 hour week that would be an additional $400 outgoings. and $1600 over the month. So his only margin is JUST in the staff salaries? What's he paying himself?

I think a lot of struggling restaurateurs should be forced to marathon (The British) Kitchen Nightmares. Gordon will hold a mirror up to them and hopefully some self awareness will be gained.
Yes! Gordon be like:

gordon ramsay GIF
 
Maybe if the people sitting on their ass collecting money for nothing we’re actively pursuing the “better paying jobs” they think they deserve. But most of them are sitting on their entitled asses saying “pay me more money” to do the same work they were doing before. It’s not like better paying jobs aren’t available. There are 8 million + openings in the US right now. It’s just most of these people aren’t qualified for them and aren’t trying to get qualified.

Maybe the hospitality industry sucks. So go do something else. Don’t be a fucking leech. You all had a year to pursue something that values you better. You didn’t do that? That’s on you now. Stop whining about the money you think you deserve. You don’t deserve shit if you sat on your ass for this past year and collect checks for free.
 

Pol Pot

Banned
If she's getting that many comments she should cash in and become a boobie streamer.
So really just lean in to the harassment? Legitimatize that kind of behavior?
What a radical, forward thinking solution.
I can't believe no one has thought of that.
Fucking genius.
 
I'll cheer when they offer competitive wages to tipped employees, plus benefits such as pto and healthcare, end right to work laws, and ensure that daily sexual and other types of harassment are no longer tolerated.

Or maybe let them eat a meal in the middle of an open to close shift?

Nah. That's too much.

You're crazy if you think those kind of things won't have an effect on the food service business. Restaurants already operate on razor thin profit margins and then you start bringing in stuff like this you better be prepared for meal prices doubling or tripling which most customers won't tolerate and therefore restaurants going out of business. Only reason this industry exists is because low skilled and younger employees are getting paid for exactly what they are. Government not taxing their tips would be a better start to fix this issue. I tip to compensate for their shortcomings, the day a server makes 40k+ per year with benefits is the day I stop tipping.
 
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Pol Pot

Banned
You're crazy if you think those kind of things won't have an effect on the food service business. Restaurants already operate on razor thin profit margins and then you start bringing in stuff like this you better be prepared for meal prices doubling or tripling which most customers won't tolerate and therefore restaurants going out of business. Only reason this industry exists is because low skilled and younger employees are getting paid for exactly what they are. Government not taxing their tips would be a better start to fix this issue. I tip to compensate for their shortcomings, the day a server makes 40k+ per year with benefits is the day I stop tipping.
How much do you think it costs to make a $12 cheeseburger? Do you know how much a sixtel of Bud Light is?
How about the syrup in a fountain coke?
A case of to go boxes?
Once again. There is nothing unskilled about restaurant work. These people work in high volume, high stress environments, often without breaks to even use the bathroom, for below minimum wage for the majority of the staff. They deserve to be treated like people at least. They're very often not.
 
How much do you think it costs to make a $12 cheeseburger? Do you know how much a sixtel of Bud Light is?
How about the syrup in a fountain coke?
A case of to go boxes?

Once again. There is nothing unskilled about restaurant work. These people work in high volume, high stress environments, often without breaks to even use the bathroom, for below minimum wage for the majority of the staff. They deserve to be treated like people at least. They're very often not.

Obviously more than you do. It's no secret that restaurants operate on small margins like I previously said. No one is putting a gun to their head to work in that industry, they can gladly bag groceries or clean hotel rooms if food service is too much for them. In regards to being "skilled" work...agree to disagree.
 
Obviously more than you do. It's no secret that restaurants operate on small margins like I previously said. No one is putting a gun to their head to work in that industry, they can gladly bag groceries or clean hotel rooms if food service is too much for them. In regards to being "skilled" work...agree to disagree.
The guy doesn’t seem to understand anything about business but simultaneously wants to tell other people how much to pay their employees. How much does a $12 burger cost to make? Well when you add all the ingredients, the wages for the server, the hostess, the cook, the rent on the building, the electric/water/gas bills, taxes, furniture and equipment costs, advertising...

It’s always entertaining watching someone who has no idea what they’re talking about try to tell people who actually do something for a living how they should be doing things. But yes, guy with no clue, please tell us all how much a waiter at a diner should be paid and how that won’t immediately destroy the viability of that diner.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
How much do you think it costs to make a $12 cheeseburger? Do you know how much a sixtel of Bud Light is?
How about the syrup in a fountain coke?
A case of to go boxes?
Once again. There is nothing unskilled about restaurant work. These people work in high volume, high stress environments, often without breaks to even use the bathroom, for below minimum wage for the majority of the staff. They deserve to be treated like people at least. They're very often not.
I was a busboy and a waiter during high school.

There's zero skill being a waiter. You take orders, clear tables (if the fucking busboy isn't around to do it), bring drinks, do the bill. Every once in a while you bring out a baby seat and set up. If theres a spill on the ground, you hurry up and clean it.

I did it in high school and had no problem. Ya, weekends and holiday dinner time is jammed packed with reservations. But the payouts can be sweet as tips pile up.

You make it sound like a waiter needs bachelor of science to do, and restaurant staff make zero tips (and nobody claims cash tips for income tax) where they live on a minimum wage set below the standard min wage.

I totally get the pity ploy you are trying to convince people taking the lowest common denominator ---> restaurant min wage + zero tips + super busy every minute = burnout.

Have you ever worked in a restaurant. Its not as bad pay and hectic every second you make it out to be. during slow hours there's nothing to do but pretty up tables and wait for customers to come in. Youd be amazed how much money serving staff and bartenders could make at a decent pub, restaurant or club. They arent making $6/hr + only $10 in tips every night.

And if someone still doesn't like restaurant work, then get another job. Restaurant and McJobs are only a fraction of the workforce. The vast majority of people dont even work at these kinds of low end jobs.

Then get a better job like the other 90% of workers. Somehow they did it.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Maybe if the people sitting on their ass collecting money for nothing we’re actively pursuing the “better paying jobs” they think they deserve. But most of them are sitting on their entitled asses saying “pay me more money” to do the same work they were doing before. It’s not like better paying jobs aren’t available. There are 8 million + openings in the US right now. It’s just most of these people aren’t qualified for them and aren’t trying to get qualified.

Maybe the hospitality industry sucks. So go do something else. Don’t be a fucking leech. You all had a year to pursue something that values you better. You didn’t do that? That’s on you now. Stop whining about the money you think you deserve. You don’t deserve shit if you sat on your ass for this past year and collect checks for free.
The funny thing is if companies see talent they'll pay up. That's why the avg salary is like $55k/yr (about $27/hr). So for all the low end jobbers dragging down the avg, you got tons of people making more than that dragging it up. Especially for tech sector where it seems every half decent tech worker makes 6-digits.

The money is out there. If tech guys where half of them can barely speak english can score these jobs, then I'm sure someone born and bred in their local country knowing the local language since birth ca man up, get some skills and beat these foreigner dudes for a job. But they get them because they got some tech talent. So it shows, you don't even need top notch communication skills to even get a great job sometimes. If you got some physical or mental skills, that can be good enough. Nobody says you got to be a A+ student in english class to get a good job. I know I didn't. I got my shitty C grades. My best courses were math and business. Anything liberal artsy I was lucky to get a B-.

The lowest paid job at my office (aside from summer university student making $20/hr ) are the junior analysts making around $50-60k. That's about $25-30/hr.

Nice people and all, but looking at the crap they do sometimes and still getting paid $25-30/hr, if some of the McJobbers out there cant get these kinds of jobs their skill set and shitty resumes they have must be so low, it's even worse than than these green analysts who get hired.
 

Wvrs

Member
If you get experience and choose the right venue, hospitality can be very lucrative. I left to go into teaching (the unsocial hours got to me after 7 years) but at the end I was head bartender at a 5* hotel's premium cocktail lounge, earning twice the minimum wage in the UK and almost doubling that in tips every week. My salary went straight into a savings account and I rarely touched it.

I make less as a teacher lol. But bartending at that level was brutal at times and my hands are still full of scars from fruit knife mishaps, dry ice burns and pyrotechnics.

In this thread I see a lot of "I WaiTeD tAbleS in HiGh ScHoOl" as if their shitty job at a diner is the hard ceiling and all-encompassing experience of a multi-billion dollar industry lol.
 
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CloudNull

Banned
If you get experience and choose the right venue, hospitality can be very lucrative. I left to go into teaching (the unsocial hours got to me after 7 years) but at the end I was head bartender at a 5* hotel's premium cocktail lounge, earning twice the minimum wage in the UK and almost doubling that in tips every week. My salary went straight into a savings account and I rarely touched it.

I make less as a teacher lol. But bartending at that level was brutal at times and my hands are still full of scars from fruit knife mishaps, dry ice burns and pyrotechnics.

In this thread I see a lot of "I WaiTeD tAbleS in HiGh ScHoOl" as if their shitty job at a diner is the hard ceiling and all-encompassing experience of a multi-billion dollar industry lol.
I know some people making 6 figures running restaurants at golf clubs and resorts. One dude had a bidding war for his skills because he had such a reputation. The guy is not smart technically but when it came to managing a kitchen he got shit done.
 
It's not about unemploy benefits but it is about wages and the inevitable rise in cost of living currently happening and will get worse as the trillions in printed money set in.

This will make the immigration issue worse though. Instead of fake pr used to pay less for labor, this time companies WILL have to actually fill those blank positions with immigrants. At least in cities.
 
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Obviously more than you do. It's no secret that restaurants operate on small margins like I previously said. No one is putting a gun to their head to work in that industry, they can gladly bag groceries or clean hotel rooms if food service is too much for them. In regards to being "skilled" work...agree to disagree.
It takes skill to not go Texas on the idiots that come into a restaraunt all day. I rather work construction then listen to entitled fuckers cry how their kids don't like the tendies or their steak is medium rare rather then well done. Straight to hell with people who order well done. The darkest smelliest smash dungeon of hell.
 
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Pol Pot

Banned
To those talking about"razor thin" margins and asking if I worked in the industry, reading comprehension is not your strength. Thank fuck you've never been my server/bartender/cook. They can read.
Anyway, the point being that I worked in the industry for two decades, more recently and more involved than being a busboy thirty years ago. The only owner that ever complained about razor thin margins was a fucking idiot who ran his own business into the ground.
I've seen profit margins. I managed a hugely successful restaurant in Charleston. Those assholes make shit tons.
 
To those talking about"razor thin" margins and asking if I worked in the industry, reading comprehension is not your strength. Thank fuck you've never been my server/bartender/cook. They can read.
Anyway, the point being that I worked in the industry for two decades, more recently and more involved than being a busboy thirty years ago. The only owner that ever complained about razor thin margins was a fucking idiot who ran his own business into the ground.
I've seen profit margins. I managed a hugely successful restaurant in Charleston. Those assholes make shit tons.
Muh freedums want infinite profit with minimal wage though. I'm sorry i thought this was America.
 

Pol Pot

Banned
Let's all just admit that it's in the interest of cheap ass chicken sandwiches and being able to act like douchebags to women who can't say shit back lest they lose that shit job, that we keep these people poor. If you want to continue to deny people basic livable wages and a sense of security, at least be honest about it.

The tipped minimum wage is $2.13/hr.
Guess when that was instituted?
1991. That wage hasn't changed in thirty fucking years!
 

highrider

Banned
True. The answer is really simple. Don’t feel sorry for those owners. Feel sorry for the people hired at unlivable wages.

Yes feel sorry for them, it’s super effective at getting people to really take on independence and personal responsibility. Let’s have a pity party for the person with no marketable skills, because it’s the evil rich folks keeping you down 🙄
 

highrider

Banned
Let's all just admit that it's in the interest of cheap ass chicken sandwiches and being able to act like douchebags to women who can't say shit back lest they lose that shit job, that we keep these people poor. If you want to continue to deny people basic livable wages and a sense of security, at least be honest about it.

The tipped minimum wage is $2.13/hr.
Guess when that was instituted?
1991. That wage hasn't changed in thirty fucking years!

I have friends that are servers in DC that 3 or 400 is an off night. It’s like any other professional, you have to be good and look the part.
 

Pol Pot

Banned
I have friends that are servers in DC that 3 or 400 is an off night. It’s like any other professional, you have to be good and look the part.
And as I mentioned in a previous post 🙄
Yes, I know. I used to make that on the beaches here. It's the exception to the rule.
 

highrider

Banned
And as I mentioned in a previous post 🙄
Yes, I know. I used to make that on the beaches here. It's the exception to the rule.
It’s not the exception, it’s where the best at the job work. I know it sucks, not everyone has equal ability or talent. I’m a painter of cars, when you’re learning or aren’t very good you make less than your more skilled counterparts.
 
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nush

Gold Member

Pol Pot

Banned
"Won't somebody think of the waitress boobies"

"I managed a hugely successful restaurant in America"

"I worked in restaurants for 20 years"

Take your pick.
Two factual statements and a position that's backed up by documented facts. Are you willfully obtuse or naturally stupid?
 

Pol Pot

Banned
My arguments on sexual harassment, unlivable wages, and no benefits are all documented facts. You can look them all up if you like. As for my personal experiences in the industry, I've no obligation to prove that. Believe I worked in the industry or don't.

As for attacking you. I didn't mean it as an attack. Your drifting off into Wikipedia articles about dictators and commies in a thread about the restaurant industry, genuinely leads me to believe that you're an idiot.
 

West Texas CEO

GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
My arguments on sexual harassment, unlivable wages, and no benefits are all documented facts. You can look them all up if you like. As for my personal experiences in the industry, I've no obligation to prove that. Believe I worked in the industry or don't.

As for attacking you. I didn't mean it as an attack. Your drifting off into Wikipedia articles about dictators and commies in a thread about the restaurant industry, genuinely leads me to believe that you're an idiot.
The failure to understand context leads me to believe that you're an idiot.
 

Mihos

Gold Member
We have a few places that have reduced their operating hours, but it seems to be getting better.
 
Pay up or shut up, it's that easy. Calling people lazy and irresponsible for not wanting to work poverty level jobs is laughable. Luckily, the "muh bootstraps" brainwashing is slowly dying out with the boomers.
Yeah. That works until the federal government turns off the money faucet after the summer. Then what, lazy, irresponsible guy who “deserves” more money who apparently can’t do anything besides “poverty level” work? People like that survive on the generosity of others. Maybe act a bit fucking appreciative and spare everyone the self righteous indignation about how you’re too good for low level work. If you were actually too good, you could go earn more doing something else instead of sitting on your ass at home collecting bum checks from Uncle Sam.

I love that in an economy with literally millions of unfilled jobs, the idea you could actually improve your life by getting one of them is considered “bootstrap mentality”. And then you’re upset when people call you lazy/irresponsible.
 

nush

Gold Member
Yeah. That works until the federal government turns off the money faucet after the summer. Then what, lazy, irresponsible guy who “deserves” more money who apparently can’t do anything besides “poverty level” work?

Those gaming the system during covid payouts are in for a rude awakening. Those that already knew how to will be fine.
 
Those gaming the system during covid payouts are in for a rude awakening. Those that already knew how to will be fine.
They’ll go back to scraping by on whatever the government is willing to dole out. That +300 a week going away is going to leave a hole for a lot people. The sad thing is that people who have been benefitting from that money could’ve used this year to make themselves more qualified for something better. Instead, most people sat around collecting there Trump/Biden bucks and now think they’re too good to go back to their old job for “poverty wages”.
 
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