I've seen a buncha bullshit fans say on the internet
That statement is pretty high up there
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Rewatched Batman v Superman Extended Edition; this version of the movie's pretty good
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That statement is pretty high up there
ZackieChan
Member
I believe I've seen every superhero movie released in the past decade or two, and I don't know what the fuck the anti-life equation is, who Darkseid is, or anything about what happens before Darkseid arrives. That payoff, which was pulled directly from that poster's ass, would be a TERRIBLE excuse for making a handful of gloomy and terrible movies. You're free to love them, but there's no way what you're talking about is comparable to what the MCU did with Loki's scepter.
And YOU are the one that brought up the analogy, so why are you pissed when people tell you it's a terrible one?
My thread got closed. 
Just when I was about to rebut and everything. I still think I defended my points. The two movies are very similar and the point was people's motivations for criticising one movie instead of the other for faults found in the better movie whilst ignoring pretty much the same criticisms.
Just when I was about to rebut and everything. I still think I defended my points. The two movies are very similar and the point was people's motivations for criticising one movie instead of the other for faults found in the better movie whilst ignoring pretty much the same criticisms.Im not upset, i already accepted the responses and said I understand, thats however doesnt mean I dont want to see it happening in some form as it appeared in some sort both in MCU and the DCU as well.Spoiler for WOnder Woman
im talking about Ares in WW
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Is the extended edition streaming anywhere?
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Such a nothing moment all glossed up in a desperate attempt to be "iconic" (ha!) and wring meaning from a soulless endeavor. It's all just so devoid of emotion, in part because this Superman suuuuuuucks (and therefore who cares), but since the whole film is like that...
Nah, some of your complaints fell into "I want this to be a problem so people can stop complaining about what I like" territoryMy thread got closed.
You know, all of those psychic visions that Batman is famous for having, what with Batman's well known superpower to see possible futures for no reason.
ZackieChan
Member
Hah, all of your weak criticisms could be answered by actually paying attention to the movie. They were all literally spelled out in the film, as many posters pointed out.My thread got closed.
Your WW spoiler isn't at all what that person was talking about, though. And it happens and is taken care of a century before the events of MoS and BvS...
Then i channeled the ridiculous BVS complaints perfectly then.
clay_ghost
Member
This literally make no sense.
Count Dookkake
Member
Bleepey, that was an amazing thread.
I'm sorry I missed it.
All I would have added was that the film was as you described AND looked like a TV movie. Hooray for the Marvel Centipedal Universe.
I'm sorry I missed it.
All I would have added was that the film was as you described AND looked like a TV movie. Hooray for the Marvel Centipedal Universe.
You are not getting my point but Im not sure if its good to keep posting Wonder Woman spoilers given how recent te movie is, so, I will just stop.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Perfect encapsulation of your inability to be at least somewhat objective, let alone fair with some of the complaints that people had about the movie.
Amazing.
I love BvS and can't even consider suicide squad a movie. It's one of the worst i've ever watched as a comic book fan, as someone who watches movies sometimes and as a human being. It's so awful that the only thing that can compare to it is that godawful spirit movie made by Frank Miller.
I will never understand how it was successful.
BvS on the other hand IS pretty great. Luthor apart, it's one of the best movies of it's kind and i really hope justice league is more like it than WW.
Like which one? My Africa complaint(s)? The sarcasm in my post was because people found it inconceivable for Superman to be blamed in Africa when there is only one witness to the "attack"and there's only the evidence Lex fabricated. Yet people will accept that the Avengers would be blamed when there are 100s of eyes saying it was all Crossbones fault.
Or was it the Black Panther argument? I used that argument to highlight the dumb argument that "oh Batman for the world's smartest detective would find it believable that Superman could cause an international incident" This is despite the fact Batman already doesn't like him cos of Metropolis. Or why would he play detective when it's perfectly rational he'd find it plausible the man who engaged in a multi-storey street fight years prior could cause collateral damage. To add to that why would he go and play detective when there's a senate hearing like 2 days after the incident.Don't get me started on Zemo's plan I am applying the same fine-toothed comb scrutiny to CW as BVS to show, the double standards.
The comments about the Bucky thing was to highlight the absurdity to shit on BVS for the Martha scene and why the poster child for "my parents are dead" super hero trope would be greatly affected by someone who on their deathbed only thought about the life of someone called Martha. It wasn't a way to make cheap ambiguously gay duo jokes it was to highlight how CW had Cap go to the ends of the earth for him. Even though if you looked at the evidence, it would make no sense for that to be the case
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Sweetie your thread was a disaster. I'm not sure if that was your real opinion or if you were partially trolling, but as a fan of both B v. S and Civil War, I can say Civil War is the better crafted, more cohesive film.
Chris Evans is also a better "Superman" as Cap than the actual Superman in B v. S.
The one thing the DCEU has over the MCU now is Wonder Woman. The Marvel women so far have been really disappointing characters whereas WW is a feminist icon.
Prophaniti
Banned
I wish they had just made the whole movie that nightmare sequence. No explanation. Just right from minute 1.
beyond_death
Member
Ehh I would say if you didn't like the theatrical version at all then I wouldn't wast my time with the Ultimate Cut tbh.
Really? For me it was typical Eisenhower: over the top unfocused acting. Easily the worst part of the movie for me. He made Lex Luther seem like a angsty teen hipster...oh wait that's him in every role
The only good thing UC added really is showing Clark being a reporter and retconing the whole Batman branding criminal so they get killed in prison.
I'd even argue that that is pretty bad and uninteresting as its just him and another person walking and talking which is essentially the worst way to convey information to the audience (IE think star wars prequels). Plus it still doesn't change the superficial concern superman should be having over batman. Like clark, you leveled an entire fucking city and are flying into other countries killing terrorists to save your woman; you don't have the high ground to stand on here so why are you pretending to be so appalled by this?
I honestly don't get the Extended edition love. I mean sure the cinema cut had editing issues but imo that wasn't the movie's biggest issue. I had fun watching the movie but it's stupid beyond saving. At least I liked the atmosphere, the music and Wonder Woman!
This one actually made Batman even worse, at least in the original cut I didn't got that. Fuck this Batman, the guy was a maniac thirsty for blood.
I hope one day you'll understand two things
1. No one cares
2. There are no double standards about the movies beyond what you want to see bevause you want to validate your opinions on both movies
QuantumZebra
Member
A murderous, sulking, nondetective, rage machine is the best Batman?
Better than Adam West or Keaton or Bale? Batman Begins?
Reality has no place here.
Felt like they were trying to imitate Dark Knight Joker.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Woah now, I hated him too but lets not go overboard...
It really speaks to the maturity level of people who prefer the "punch everything mah parents are dead MARTHA!" to a more calm, dignified portrayal.
I feel like you have to separate the Batman and Bruce Wayne personas for each actor since they all seem to excel in one and do poorly with the other.
IMO, Val Kilmer was a piss poor Bruce Wayne but an excellent Batman.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Well, Batfleck does do detective work at several points in the movie. Keaton kills more people than cancer, so he's probably not the best point of comparison. Even the weakest of the Nolan films is still notably better than BvS, but Christian Bale isn't that much better than Ben Afleck in the role. They're both good.
You know how some really good actors get roles where they have nothing to work with. Take that concept, and apply it to everything about this batman. It's emblematic in every aspect of his character.
For example, the design. Like, you could make a strong argument that this is technically the best crafted Batsuit we have with how it looks like a real suit, but shows it's comic book origins strongly (unlike Nolan's Batsuit which looked like a modified body armor suit...which is exactly hwat it was.). But I personally hate the design of it. I hate the tiny bat ears, the fat bat, and how there it's completely grey (I like something like a gold belt to provide color seperation, and the Nolans bat suit often looked bluish due to the lighting)
Or his Batmobile. I actually think it looks great in design other than the front central rail gun he has on it (it's not even a "batman shouldn't have guns" thing, it just looks out of place), and it's sleek design marries the Tumbler look with the classic look nicely. However, it's one of the worst car chase sequences I've ever seen. I could never tell where he was in relation to the cars he was chasing, so all the explosions just felt like a lot of noise to me.
And of course there is Batman's actual role in the story and personality, which has all been discussed at length.
There are genuinely positive elements to Batfleck, but literally every piece is used wrong, which comes up for me as the worst live action Batman of them. Which is a shame because Ben Affleck is someone who could really bring him to life if he were given the right stuff.
Dandy Lyin
Member
Lex was the only con I couldn't get over. He's "what-were-they-thinking" bad. Turning Superman's nemesis into a bumbling, hysterical, brat is unforgivable.
DerZuhälter
Member
It was horrible. But the cinema cut was even worse. It's incomprehensable to me how anyone could have thought after watching that cut "We have a hit on our hands!".
kitsunelaine
Banned
You can't polish a turd.
Agreed.
The extended cut was just as much of a grey slimy mess as the first edit.
I'm always surprised how people think 30mins of extra footage fixes such a broken film.
It's simply a terrible movie!
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I didn't like the car chase either, and the design of the batsuit isn't something I'm in love with. Although what BvS and Suicide Squad did highlight to me on that front was the importance of the cinematography for the suit designs. In BvS I was pretty cool with it, but in Suicide Squad it looked comical because it was shot so poorly. This was also something Nolan had some success with in Batman Begins - the art of concealing how goddamned silly everything is if you put it under proper lighting and linger too long.
Things I really liked about Batman in BvS:
- He uses a voice modulator. I can't believe it took this long.
- He has a preexisting history and they can introduce longtime allies and recurring enemies without needing to do origin stories for them.
- Ben's physique was ridiculous
- He's actually shown in the workshop / science lab doing engineering and science shit, which felt quite absent in the Nolan films thanks to Lucius taking on that role almost exclusively.
- His introduction being filmed like a horror movie was a great choice
- The warehouse fight was incredible, showing off not just his hand-to-hand skills but also his planning and gadgetry.
Also, while it's not really "Batman", I thought Alfred was really really good. I liked Michael Caine too, but they're both approaching it differently and I think Irons might even be better, or at least has the potential to be if they give him some good movies to feature in.
Things I didn't like:
- Branding people was poorly explained
- Being a bit too loose with the kills in the car chase. I'm not even opposed to the kill at the end of the film, nor am I a purist with Batman's no-kill rule, but the car chase was a bit gratuitous
- Batman's leap from wanting to protect against Superman to wanting to actively kill him could have been handled much better
- The Martha reveal was also handled extremely poorly. The idea of the common name being what briefly snaps him out of his mission and causes him to hear superman out isn't even a terrible idea implicitly, but they needed to script the scene much better than they did. If instead of "His mother's name is Martha" Lois comes up and says "His mother's name is Martha, Lex kidnapped her and is threatening to kill her unless superman kills you" then Batman actually has something to work with and can realize he was being duped.
they should have had 30 more minutes of crazy Knightmare stuff with Warehouse style fighting, then scrap the rest of the movie
it's irredeemably bad, but i do hope JL is good
holy shit
😂😂😂
pretty wild that in 2017, Superman is a piece of cardboard and Captain America is a global example of modern heroism
it's irredeemably bad, but i do hope JL is good
holy shit
😂😂😂
pretty wild that in 2017, Superman is a piece of cardboard and Captain America is a global example of modern heroism
Ocarina_117
Banned
Wonder Woman has built up a lot of good faith.
Justice League will fully redeem DCEU in the eyes of GAF.
Though GAF will put it down to Whedon rescuing the movie rather than praise Snyder
Justice League will fully redeem DCEU in the eyes of GAF.
Though GAF will put it down to Whedon rescuing the movie rather than praise Snyder
I think any large, dynamic, exciting team shots will be credited to Snyder
He has some issues as a filmmaker, but his cape action scenes are amongst the best in the business
