most developers probably come away from this site super bummed. i'm surprised denis dyack was the only five alarm meltdown in the forum's 10+ year history (that i know of)
The Switch delay and Switch tax on Rime made me cry........
Tears of laughter.
Yes he is overreacting, but neogaf is also very toxic and hateful about many games/developers.
This is missing the fact they promised updates multiple times at different events there would an update from their last trailer( which was gamescom in 2014 iirc before the Sony separation) but nothing ever happened and giving statements like this -Then Tequila Works reaquired the rights to RiME. Rime was initially going to be a PS4 exclusive. The deal fell through. and the "gotcha" posts started to appear. You know, the usual stuff.
But then there was the bomb: This post allegedly confirming everybody's rumors and more. There was no "game".
The pile on started soon and the rest is history.
But then the game reappeared, looking just like the reveal trailer, releasing soon and is apparently.. pretty good? So it was all an aimless witch hunt? Who would have thought.
@JHerraez - PR Manager at Tequila: "We have confirmed Tequila Works will be present at Gamescom, but we haven't confirmed RiME will be present."
https://twitter.com/JHerraez/status/758392974556426240
"We didn't knew we had to submit a trailer for Gamescom, we thought Sony would handle it themselves. We ended having to cut some portions of the game to put them in the trailer"
"The trailer is representative of what the game looks like, but some cameras won't work like that. The game won't have cutscenes, everything is playable"
"The game is coming out next year, it's pretty much confirmed, ask Sony to give details" (this interview was in 2014)
"The game is playable from beginning to end, everything regarding content is finished, we just have to polish it"
"People who have finished the game have cried watching the ending"
Yeah... lol
Developers used to comment here. It's literally been years since I've seen a major developer comment here.
Developers used to comment here. It's literally been years since I've seen a major developer comment here.
We can't make you be nice.
For the various folks who'd like to blame moderation for allowing people to act cruelly, that's something you should probably know. More to the point, you don't want us to try and make you be nice, because we have blunt tools, and the way we'd do it is tighten up on banning negative, hostile comments.
You don't want us to do that, because you're guilty of it. Go look in your reading history right now. If you can't find a single comment that someone might think was nasty or unpleasant, I will be deeply surprised. That means the rest of you would be banned.
No rule we can put up, no pogrom of bans, no effort on our part can make you change the way you talk to other people. I've spent a lot of time on OT trying to convince people not to be assholes directly to each other, with little success, so the idea that we're going to stop people from being assholes about someone who isn't here or made promises they didn't keep, is a fantasy.
The only person that can make you behave better, make you remember that there are people on the other side of the keyboard, is you. And you can't make anyone else behave better, either. Each of us can only be responsible for ourselves.
It's easy to blame "GAF" as if the software and hardware were making the comments. It's easy to blame moderation, although it's you guys who create all the content, not us. It's less easy to take a look at your own posting and make changes. But if you want GAF to be a nicer place, that's literally your only option, because GAF is a collective of thousands of different voices, and those voices create the chorus that people perceive.
So keep throwing stones -- at developers, at moderators, at your fellow posters -- but you're part of the problem, and rather than deal with your part in the problem, you're engaging in negativity about other posters, the forum, and its staff. Try, instead, treating fellow posters, developers, and staff as if they were people. Consider that your funny, cruel joke is less funny and more cruel, and maybe don't post it. Moderate your language and instead of calling people scam artists, or shoving your head up your ass in self-righteousness about your consumer rights, consider that the company you're railing against is really just people trying to make something neat and failing rather than a conspiracy to rob you and make you play bad games.
No he is not. The majority of people on this site only play games, not create them. When people post criticism on this site, they often don't think about what it even takes to create a game and how much effort it takes to make it good.Yes he is overreacting, but neogaf is also very toxic and hateful about many games/developers.
We can't make you be nice.
For the various folks who'd like to blame moderation for allowing people to act cruelly, that's something you should probably know. More to the point, you don't want us to try and make you be nice, because we have blunt tools, and the way we'd do it is tighten up on banning negative, hostile comments.
You don't want us to do that, because you're guilty of it. Go look in your reading history right now. If you can't find a single comment that someone might think was nasty or unpleasant, I will be deeply surprised. That means the rest of you would be banned.
No rule we can put up, no pogrom of bans, no effort on our part can make you change the way you talk to other people. I've spent a lot of time on OT trying to convince people not to be assholes directly to each other, with little success, so the idea that we're going to stop people from being assholes about someone who isn't here or made promises they didn't keep, is a fantasy.
The only person that can make you behave better, make you remember that there are people on the other side of the keyboard, is you. And you can't make anyone else behave better, either. Each of us can only be responsible for ourselves.
It's easy to blame "GAF" as if the software and hardware were making the comments. It's easy to blame moderation, although it's you guys who create all the content, not us. It's less easy to take a look at your own posting and make changes. But if you want GAF to be a nicer place, that's literally your only option, because GAF is a collective of thousands of different voices, and those voices create the chorus that people perceive.
So keep throwing stones -- at developers, at moderators, at your fellow posters -- but you're part of the problem, and rather than deal with your part in the problem, you're engaging in negativity about other posters, the forum, and its staff. Try, instead, treating fellow posters, developers, and staff as if they were people. Consider that your funny, cruel joke is less funny and more cruel, and maybe don't post it. Moderate your language and instead of calling people scam artists, or shoving your head up your ass in self-righteousness about your consumer rights, consider that the company you're railing against is really just people trying to make something neat and failing rather than a conspiracy to rob you and make you play bad games.
I don't know that hyper-positivity is necessarily an absolute good, either.
Especially when it becomes weaponized to drown out or attack everyone who isn't.
No he is not. The majority of people on this site only play games, not create them. When people post criticism on this site, they often don't think about what it even takes to create a game and how much effort it takes to make it good.
Shouldn't it be the opposite?
I mean, shouldn't people criticize about the game and the developers when it's released, not before it's released because in the end, it's the game in people's hands that's the central product of criticism? Because that's close to jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst (even if the product turns out good in the end).
Devs need to realize that gamers as a whole will never be happy. There will always be Debby Downers and those trying to crush hype.
I sincerely hope Jon Blow and Phil Fish dont read Gaf often then cause they might do backflips over the stuff people post.
Well more so Phil.
Because that's irrelevant when you're selling something. All that matters is the final product.
Doom is the perfect example.. many people were shitting it before release and then turned around.
One third of the game that wasn't even bad. People overreacted.It had a really bad beta and then Bethesda hid it until release.
It's not like there was nothing to go on.
One third of the game that wasn't even bad. People overreacted.
Yeah that's sad to read. But i don't understand why he was so sad when he really knew what was going on. It's also sad that GAF is seen as one entity. Some people here react like the typical internet tough guy but most are very reasonable with constructive criticism.
Some people seem to think that when you're harsh, people take you seriously, or something stupid like that.
Yeah. I dislike the first hour of River City Ransom Underground. It was slow and the characters were severely hobbled until you could level up enough and then save enough cash to buy actual combos, and I'm still not a fan of using every button on the Xbox or PS4 controller rather than using the simpler less cumbersome NES style controls...Some people (including me) can have pretty strong opinions about video games and entertainment culture in general and perhaps get too emotionally invested in this hobby.
For example, I like Dark Souls 2, but I won't stop criticizing it, because I care deeply about the franchise and where From is headed next.
Cliffy B was right about GAF 🤔
But I still like the game. Those are simply areas I think the game could be improved on. I had to put a guy on ignore over those "strong opinions" since he randomly decided I had to be lying about how I disliked those elements. There needs to be some dissenting opinions if there is going to be any kind of actual discussion. Otherwise it's just a bunch of people saying "this is fine"on endless loop.
People post that over and over but is bs the community tells them self to keep that GAF superiority complex up.
GAF excels cause the mod team is in the ball with dealing with politically charged stuff. It's fantastic as a news aggregate and for pooling info for large events. It's less fun to actually discuss games, though.
GAF is invaluable to me in many ways when it comes to the video games industry. We have members who contribute in many ways and we have many intelligent and very well educated folks on here from all walks of life. The OTs here are very informative, the scoops posted on here are second to almost no one except Press Sneak Fuck, and I always come here first before I go to IGN, GameSpot, Glixel etc.
Having said all that this forum leans left and dangerously so. If you're a conservative or even have conservative leaning views you might as well just not say a darn thing. Outrage culture and PC culture can be pretty rampant on here like in many places on the internets. Colin Moriarty's tweet comes to mind and just the hatefulness folks spewed towards him. Tbh even before that, the PS I Love You XoXo thread was toxic as shit.
Fanboys will be fanboys so I don't really mind when the Xbots and SDF go at each other. Annoying at times but meh. NMS debacle was just too much, again just hatefulness spewed towards Sean Murray over a game. You'd think he promised the coming of a new God. Some Gaffers are way way up their own asses and just wanna die on this self-righteous hill of everyone wins. No not everyone wins. In life you have winners and losers. It is what it is.
We can't make you be nice.
For the various folks who'd like to blame moderation for allowing people to act cruelly, that's something you should probably know. More to the point, you don't want us to try and make you be nice, because we have blunt tools, and the way we'd do it is tighten up on banning negative, hostile comments.
You don't want us to do that, because you're guilty of it. Go look in your reading history right now. If you can't find a single comment that someone might think was nasty or unpleasant, I will be deeply surprised. That means the rest of you would be banned.
No rule we can put up, no pogrom of bans, no effort on our part can make you change the way you talk to other people. I've spent a lot of time on OT trying to convince people not to be assholes directly to each other, with little success, so the idea that we're going to stop people from being assholes about someone who isn't here or made promises they didn't keep, is a fantasy.
The only person that can make you behave better, make you remember that there are people on the other side of the keyboard, is you. And you can't make anyone else behave better, either. Each of us can only be responsible for ourselves.
It's easy to blame "GAF" as if the software and hardware were making the comments. It's easy to blame moderation, although it's you guys who create all the content, not us. It's less easy to take a look at your own posting and make changes. But if you want GAF to be a nicer place, that's literally your only option, because GAF is a collective of thousands of different voices, and those voices create the chorus that people perceive.
So keep throwing stones -- at developers, at moderators, at your fellow posters -- but you're part of the problem, and rather than deal with your part in the problem, you're engaging in negativity about other posters, the forum, and its staff. Try, instead, treating fellow posters, developers, and staff as if they were people. Consider that your funny, cruel joke is less funny and more cruel, and maybe don't post it. Moderate your language and instead of calling people scam artists, or shoving your head up your ass in self-righteousness about your consumer rights, consider that the company you're railing against is really just people trying to make something neat and failing rather than a conspiracy to rob you and make you play bad games.
Yeah it really was a looker, such a shame ;(
Isn't it a given in most creative circles that you're better off not reading reviews or getting into it with people on the internet over their analysis of your work?