killer rin
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My god, I knew the man was bad. Not this bad.
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My god, I knew the man was bad. Not this bad.
Buba Big Guns
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What in the flying fuck. How is he still mayor and how does he have 44% approval rating.
Anticitizen One
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How he he'll was this guy elected? You can tell he is a slob and scumbag
He's easy to relate to....
Wyndstryker
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Horrible selection pool and I think most people didn't know who they were voting for.
killer rin
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Only 51% Voter Turnout in the last Toronto Election. The people who do get out there and vote are his shills.
TheHeretic
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Is this guy actually a bad mayor? I know very little about Canadian politics, but is there anything of value in his politics?
He misses a lot of council meetings and is frequently out of order because he doesn't know the rules. He lies about stats too, cancels projects after contracts are signed, and pushes unrealistic pie-in-the-sky projects without funding. He was always one of the worst councillors when he was in council, and now that he's mayor, he's still every bit as awful. There are numerous votes where he's the only person voting no.
The province of Ontario wanted to provide us with a special health care service, for free, Toronto would pay nothing, and he refused it because it was "the gravy train," despite the fact that it actually SAVED the city money.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2011/06/22/ford_to_nurses_who_needs_you.bb.html
http://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/...ructing_mayor_rob_fords_fiscal_record.bb.html
People liked his catchphrase of ending the gravy train, whatever that means.
Only? That would be stratospheric in most American mayoral elections and merely typical in an American presidential election year. [As an aside, the voter turnout for this past NYC mayoral election is projected to have been 22.26%.] With that level of democratic involvement, he would have had to connect to the "common man" in some way in order to even have had a shot. Of course, that's without knowing quite specifically who turned out to the polls in Toronto's case.
Kuro Madoushi
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You shut your pie hole and finish your phd.
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qizah
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I knew of his past but wow, every single thing he was accused of he denied, then when it came out, he says "all I can do is apologize and move forward". The fuck?
Stop supporting this asshole.
You Are Viewtiful
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Tea Party was huge in suburban and rural Ontario, so people voted the biggest union buster. There are people that literally think you can cut the budget in half, not raise taxes and still maintain service.
Toronto is surrounded by a "greater" area of suburbs, whose populace get to vote for the mayor because of the mega city debacle. A lot of the people who fill those suburbs are morons who relate to Ford and his "saving the tax payers money" line of bullshit, but have no idea that it costs money to keep a metropolis like the core of Toronto alive and breathing. I hate the fact that some dumbfuck councillor from North York or Etobicoke can vote on whether or not important infrastructure plans happen or don't happen in the core of Toronto.
crimzonflame
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Cause he doesn't like immigrants.
...the GTA is mostly immigrants (or rather visible minorities)
crimzonflame
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exactly
You Are Viewtiful
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Which is funny because immigrants vote for him in higher numbers.
I'm not a Leafs fan myself (go Canucks/Sens!), but even I think it's the other way around, or at least equal.
That tends to be a weird large C conservative trend here.
Don't you have to be a citizen to vote?
EDIT: " In order to vote municipally in Ontario, a person must be: a) 18 years of age or older, b) a citizen of Canada, and c) either reside in the municipality, or be a non-resident property tax payer through property owned or rented in the municipality."
Immigrants are citizens.
You're a landed immigrant. They're citizens who are immigrants.
You are one or another.
If you are a naturalized citizen, then you no longer have PR or "landed immigrant" status.
What your saying is that ethnic Canadians vote for Ford, not "immigrants"
This is how you can tell who has never really watched hockey before
I'm not sure I get your reasoning. An immigrant is someone who arrives from another place to live permanently. A 'landed immigrant' is a legal term, as is an 'illegal immigrant'. The point stands that new Canadians, citizens who have immigrated to Canada from elsewhere--immigrants--voted for Rob Ford in striking numbers for some reason.
You Are Viewtiful
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In colloquial terms and even the census, people born outside Canada are immigrants but can be citizens as well.
And I don't want to say minorities, because it was immigrants that voted for him in larger numbers. Etobicoke is white and voted Ford.
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/t...ith-immigrants/article4329995/?service=mobile
Either way, immigrant or no immigrant, Ford won every demographic except undergrad graduates and above and the super wealthy, so it's a meaningless argument. The 'Toronto is racist' shtick doesn't really hold.
My point is that using the term "immigrant" is very broad, only people who have been designated Canadian citizenship may vote. Saying that immigrants vote for Ford muddies the water and is misleading, only people with citizenship, who have met the strict residency, language and settlement requirements are eligible to vote.
These people may have moved to Canada from another country at some point in their lives, but they have fully assimilated to Canada and are recognized as such. So they may have developed their own views on the economy, immigration and other policies during their settlement in the country, this is why it isn't surprising to see different voting patterns.
It seems more like you're the only one not understanding what he said.
What it comes down to is there's a certain section of the populace who don't actually pay attention to issues or read into news beyond angry opinion columns.
Rob Ford dazzled them with simple campaign slogans about cutting "out of control" spending at city hall, and used a "straight talking", rough-around-the-edges personality to make them think he's just an ordinary guy like them who's out to fight for them.
He didn't even need to back up any of his claims, because the voters he was aiming for had no interest in looking into them themselves.
So basically, uninformed, gullible voters whose only actual interest in the city is the road they drive to Walmart on voted him in.
I hear you.
But, surveying "immigrant communities" however is not surveying immigrants. I do a lot of out reach in "immigrant communities", quite often, it's the grandmother/grandfather who emigrated to Canada and their offspring, born in Canada (Canadian Citizens) continue to live in these communities.
The entire city of Toronto is a "immigrant community" if you go back far enough. What I'm sure the article means is that high density ethic areas were polled, regardless if they are immigrants or citizens by birth, naturalization or descent.
I didn't want to debate the point, I just wanted to provide clarity to word that is too often thrown around.
You Are Viewtiful
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Actually the poll asked respondents specifically if they were born in Canada, it didn't ask for ethnicity or make assumptions about their ethnicity from their area.
Do you have a link to the poll? The article said the poll was of residents of immigrant communities.
Did this poll ask foreign born Canadians? Or just anyone foreign born? Because the poll is kinda useless if they don't actually have the right to vote.
It's not surprising to me that people who have been in Canada long enough to become citizens have developed their own political opinions. We could after all be taking about being Canadian's who have been resident 20, 30 or even 80+ years (came over when they were 3 months old, like my son). What does surprise me that anyone would want to vote for Ford.
You Are Viewtiful
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I can't say for sure they asked if people can vote or not, but they've been in the business for a while and I doubt they'd forget to ask such a simple question.
Yeah.
I wonder where the article got the "immigrant communities" thing from though. Either the poll specifically targeted high density ethnic areas (immigrant communities is a term that usually refers to areas whose residents fail to assimilate completely, and therefore will generally will not have naturalized citizenship yet) or the G&M have made that assumption due to them simply being born outside of Canada.
I don't have any issue with the political views of immigrants (whether they can vote or not). There is probably a huge disparity in the opinions of Foreign-born Canadians and foreign-born landed immigrants. My only motive is to separate out what is meant by "immigrants" so readers can properly understand what is being talking about here.
It's really obvious to everyone but you, though.
Well call me crazy, but I like to properly define what is being discussed first. I'm sorry if that gets in the way of the discussion.
From the earlier link:
Immigrants are people born outside Canada who moved to Canada.
Since they say they "plan to vote" for Ford, presumably they can vote.
Problem solved.
Yes, i read the article and it specifically brought attention to "immigrant communities", which can mean a million-and-six different things.
But if everyone is happy to simply "presume" their facts, obviously, "problem solved".
Again, I'm not trying to argue the voting patterns of immigrants, just want to define what is meant by "immigrant".
I'm just curious, do you find the term "immigrant" insulting?
No, absolutely not.
EDIT: Longer answer: Generally not, but it depends on the context of the discussion. I have been insulted in the tone in which some people have referred to "immigrants", but the word itself is not bothersome.
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Onion_Relish
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Dat willectro double down tattoo
so that's where the toronto sun front page came from lol
Mrs. Manky
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Drake just barely skated by with his billboard.
City Hall wasn't happy, but it was different enough.
That almost looks like a threat.
"Nice population you have there, Toronto. Shame if something were to happen to it. Take care."
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