The Faceless Master
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positive?
c'mon, we all know exactly how this went down.
he followed the robber out, called out and shot as soon as dude turned.
pure revenge but the dude was a robber so holdat L.
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Robber with AK-47 shot by Waffle House customer
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positive?
c'mon, we all know exactly how this went down.
he followed the robber out, called out and shot as soon as dude turned.
pure revenge but the dude was a robber so holdat L.
The Real Abed
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This is a bit of a fuzzy area.
On the one hand, he stopped the robber from getting away with his crime and everyone's belongings.
On the other hand, he entrapped him.
Then again, I'm sure if he hadn't fired, the robber would have. And possibly killed a lot of people. Possibly everyone in the restaurant out of anger.
So I don't know.
As for gun ownership, I don't think any civilian should have access to an AK-47. But that's just me. (We know the customer's gun was licensed. I assume it was just a handgun? Do we know if the robber had a license?)
On the one hand, he stopped the robber from getting away with his crime and everyone's belongings.
On the other hand, he entrapped him.
Then again, I'm sure if he hadn't fired, the robber would have. And possibly killed a lot of people. Possibly everyone in the restaurant out of anger.
So I don't know.
As for gun ownership, I don't think any civilian should have access to an AK-47. But that's just me. (We know the customer's gun was licensed. I assume it was just a handgun? Do we know if the robber had a license?)
Hmm, that's my thought. He provoked him.
methane47
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According to the shooter.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
He had already left the scene, if you follow them out to his/her vehicle and attempt to reengage him it is no longer self defense.
What did he mean by this?
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Dumb games, dumb prizes applies to robbing a Waffle House the same as following a escaping Waffle House robber into the parking lot.
GrandHarrier
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Say something along the lines of "hey" isn't provocation. The robber has no special protections. Once he turned around and aimed the rifle he was the aggressor.
Of those two I don't see the robber being the more trustworthy one.
I imagine if the robber survives he'll contradict that story, but he'd probably do that no matter what actually happened.
I don't really trust either since they'll just say whatever doesn't send them to jail (or in the case of the robber for perhaps less time)
Really, the key is this:
If security footage corroborates with this, then the shooter has a reasonable cause to fear for the safety of his wife, and he was nothing short of brave to call to the robber and neutralize him. If footage shows this to be false, then the shooter should be arrested. I think it's pretty clear-cut.
The shooter most definitely had a handgun if it was concealed. I highly doubt the robber obtained the AK 47 legally.
minor effort
Banned
Once you start to pursue the suspect, you're crossing the line into playing law enforcement.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
The concealed carrier escalated the situation simply by following the robber out into the parking lot with the intention to engage him. Whether or not the robber's AK was raised at the point when he turned around is irrelevant since the situation already moved past the self-defense stage. This is a case of retaliation, not self-defense.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I wish. I know it's not simple but doing SOMETHING would be better than leaving the current situation as it is. :/
Ok, so he murdered the robber when he posed no threat to anybody. I guess vigilante justice is A-OK in the USA
I got two options: 1, go and shoot the motherfucker. 2, I can call my wife and tell her to hold off on coming to Waffle House. Who in their right mind would choose option 1, unless they dream of being one of those good guy with a gun and a hero? He put everybody in that Waffle House in danger when he did that. Any stray bullets from the AK-47 could have easily went into the Waffle House or elsewhere, and injure/kill innocent bystanders.
But let's think about this. What are the chances that his wife would get hurt by the shooter anyway? Even if she was 20 seconds out, the shooter would have been long gone by then. I doubt he would stand around and watch for anybody to pull into the Waffle House parking lot so he can shoot them.
This is just a guy who has always dreamt of using a gun and probably had fantasies of what he would do in a situation like this. The situation presented itself, so he went after it. He should be charged with murder.
I got two options: 1, go and shoot the motherfucker. 2, I can call my wife and tell her to hold off on coming to Waffle House. Who in their right mind would choose option 1, unless they dream of being one of those good guy with a gun and a hero? He put everybody in that Waffle House in danger when he did that. Any stray bullets from the AK-47 could have easily went into the Waffle House or elsewhere, and injure/kill innocent bystanders.
But let's think about this. What are the chances that his wife would get hurt by the shooter anyway? Even if she was 20 seconds out, the shooter would have been long gone by then. I doubt he would stand around and watch for anybody to pull into the Waffle House parking lot so he can shoot them.
This is just a guy who has always dreamt of using a gun and probably had fantasies of what he would do in a situation like this. The situation presented itself, so he went after it. He should be charged with murder.
What did the robber take from the customers? It would make sense to me to take the phones if you're going to rob people.
Ever? There's no way a statement like that can rationally be made.
Not if the pursuer had reasonable cause for the safety of his wife who was on her way to the location of the robber though. Why does this part keep getting left out?
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
lol dat first post
Hickbilly Deluxe
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Nah, our local gun shop was robbed once. Which is pretty high on the 'I have no brains' scale of ideas, if not top 5.
Can't imagine anything worth killing someone over.
Just because the robbery in the moment was over doesn't mean the threat had subsided. He still posed a risk to the public having just robbed the place. Responding law enforcement, any civilians that came into contact with him, hell even if he didn't get enough money and decided to rob another place were still in danger. So I wouldn't call this vigilantism just because dude followed him out to the parking lot.
Even if he doesn't get into a shootout with arriving police, he's likely to flee and there would be an ensuing car chase putting innocent bystanders at risk. He doesn't magically stop being a threat just because he got some money.
Even if he doesn't get into a shootout with arriving police, he's likely to flee and there would be an ensuing car chase putting innocent bystanders at risk. He doesn't magically stop being a threat just because he got some money.
BinaryPork2737
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Because the wife wasn't actually in clear and present danger at the time. The claim is a shaky defense at best. Self-defense still wouldn't apply.
Agreed.
ryutaro's mama
Member
If George Zimmermann is any indication, this vigilante prolly felt completely within his rights.
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Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Yep, this is my feeling as well. He knew exactly what the robber would do if he went out and confronted him, it really isn't self-defense if you goad someone to do something.
Why not just call your wife? Did the wife arrive on the scene? When was she supposed to get there, there is so much left which is why I'm ignoring it.
I don't consider this a positive.
dolabla
Member
Except pointing an AK-47 at people. No threat at all.
We tend to clash on this topic but we are both vehement supporters of VR... so we're semi friends?
broncobuster
Banned
Guy must've seen Collateral one too many times and and read Cruise as the good guy.
Murdering someone in a parking lot when they've already left the scene and stopped threatening anyone doesn't really count as self defense. It's vigilantism and murder. That's what we have the justice system for, not cowboys like this guy. He should be tried.
The robber was black, so this also might be some guy using a convenient opportunity to "clean the streets" or whatever, Zimmerman style.
Uh, that wasn't what I was saying. I was saying maybe he couldn't call his wife, who he was worried would pull up.
We're way past that though. Guns are never going to disappear in America. Too many.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
10 to 1 Fox News leaves out the part where he shot the robber as he was leaving.
ryutaro's mama
Member
We have confirmation he was doing this in the parking lot?
What? Did I ever express sorrow for the robber? I said the guy did something dangerous that could've got him killed, I'm not worried about the robber's safety.
At what point does the robber no longer pose a threat? When is it 'wrong' for him to be shot?
People can't get this through their heads though. It just will never happen. The best we can do is sensible gun control, which I am 100% for! I am not a member of, nor will I join the NRA because I am very opposed to how lax they are about guns and gun control.
BinaryPork2737
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Wouldn't a waffle house have at least one phone inside the establishment? The article mentions nothing about the robber stealing phones, or cutting the power or phone cords, so we're just left to speculate the alternatives here.
Yeah, the carrier was clearly in his legal right to carry his gun, this is more about how he acted in the situation.
Oh, sorry. Yeah, that could certainly be the case.
Yikes.
I missed the part where the robber was alive, in the hospital on life support, and the police were asking citizens for help identifying him based on his tattoos......
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/poli...spect-shot-by-customer-from-tattoos/270789780
I missed the part where the robber was alive, in the hospital on life support, and the police were asking citizens for help identifying him based on his tattoos......
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/poli...spect-shot-by-customer-from-tattoos/270789780
Violence Jack
Member
From a legal standpoint, if a gun was pulled on you during a robbery, and they walk away afterwards, can you still claim self-defense if you shoot them as they try to get away?
He was walking to the car at the time. How was he a threat? He was leaving the scene of the crime. Call the police.
RowdyReverb
Member
At least that's one fewer assault rifle owner in the US
No sane mind would say it is. But this is America...
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
If not self defense then at least public service.
I suppose the customer might be prepared to face time if not. If he was acting in defense of his wife whom presumably he couldn't contact for whatever reason then he may consider it worth the penalty.
minor effort
Banned
Nobody's really putting up a vigorous defense of the robber, but I'd also argue pursuing the robber after leaving the premises, provoking them as an excuse to play executioner isn't really a stellar "good guy with gun" scenario.
Just because somebody was robbed doesn't automatically give them license to exercise the death penalty against the robber.
This country has a problem with "bad guys with guns" and a pretty mixed record with "good guys with guns" alongside of it.
Who remembers numbers these days? I only know my own, lol. But yeah, that was really my main point, we don't know the details either way. So his reason for going outside is all speculation.
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